I want to commend the mods' efforts.

[The_Iceflash]

I wanted to say that I found it appalling as well that one would openly state why a member should be banned in response to not liking that a user that they are a fan of was banned. How wrong.

To be honest, I don't know what was worse about the situation, making a thread to celebrate a user who was suspended for breaking the rules or using that thread to say who should be banned instead.

Anyway, I have to commend the mods' efforts to make place an enjoyable one. It is greatly appreciated. The blatantly disrespectful attitudes toward moderation and their actions is disgusting and I want the mods to know that even though it may not look like it at times, there are people on your side.

[Elladorine]

I wanted to say that I found it appalling as well that one would openly state why a member should be banned in response to not liking that a user that they are a fan of was banned. How wrong.

You had ample opportunity to state so in the other thread before CJ mirrored my response and closed it.

To be honest, I don't know what was worse about the situation, making a thread to celebrate a user who was suspended for breaking the rules or using that thread to say who should be banned instead.

Sotiris started the thread in an attempt to contribute something positive in the forum, to show appreciation and support for one of our members. Even though it was sparked due to Goliath's suspension, I'm uncertain how that might be worse than the hostile bickering that was to follow. Especially when CJ already commented that she'd hoped to keep the thread open for Goliath's return. As for breaking the rules, I believe it's also against them to start a thread with the intent of continuing a locked discussion like this one appears to be doing.

Anyway, I have to commend the mods' efforts to make place an enjoyable one. It is greatly appreciated.

While I also appreciate the mods' efforts, it feels more like this thread was made to get a last word in about the locked thread. If that appreciation was your only intent, it probably would have been best to stick with posting only this last part; the rest of it is basically an invitation for more unnecessary drama.

[Sotiris]

Sotiris started the thread in an attempt to contribute something positive in the forum, to show appreciation and support for one of our members.

That's true. My intentions were to create a thread where we could just show some support and appreciation to one of our fellow members like other similar threads in the past and not to start up more drama and bickering.

Thanks for standing up for me enigmawing!

[The_Iceflash]

To be honest, I don't know what was worse about the situation, making a thread to celebrate a user who was suspended for breaking the rules or using that thread to say who should be banned instead.

Sotiris started the thread in an attempt to contribute something positive in the forum, to show appreciation and support for one of our members. Even though it was sparked due to Goliath's suspension, I'm uncertain how that might be worse than the hostile bickering that was to follow. Especially when CJ already commented that she'd hoped to keep the thread open for Goliath's return. As for breaking the rules, I believe it's also against them to start a thread with the intent of continuing a locked discussion like this one appears to be doing.

Except that this isn't. This is commending the mods' efforts in spite of their actions being unpopular though right. We should be working with the mods and not against them and this is thread's intent is to show them that there are members on their side.

Oh and creating an appreciation thread for a suspended user in which the original OP of that thread stated that they thought the suspension was unfair, is a slap in the face to mods. In fact, I'm appalled that an appreciation thread would be created for a suspended user basically to rally behind a user who has repeatedly broken rules and mods have taken action about.

Anyway, I have to commend the mods' efforts to make place an enjoyable one. It is greatly appreciated.

While I also appreciate the mods' efforts, it feels more like this thread was made to get a last word in about the locked thread. If that appreciation was your only intent, it probably would have been best to stick with posting only this last part; the rest of it is basically an invitation for more unnecessary drama.

It needed to be said. Sorry. This was definately not a continuation of that thread as the discussion was over when it was locked. I said everything I wanted to say there. It was locked because it went off topic and was no longer a appreciation thread. We are also no longer discussing whether certain users should be suspended and this is not an appreciation thread. This thread is about nothing that was being discussed there. This thread is discussion of moderation and the disrespect towards it. This is clearly not a continuation.

No one wanted to say anything about how appalling it is to make a thread showing support and appreciation for a suspended user who has repeatedly broken the rules. I found the whole idea disgusting.

[Elladorine]

I obviously can't speak for CJ but if the original intent of the thread was a slap in the mods' faces, why would she state she'd hoped to keep the thread open for Goliath's return?

Defending/supporting the actions of the moderators and admins can easily be done without resorting to further negative commentary on a thread that's already off-limits for discussion. Despite your repetitive claims to the contrary, you've definitely chosen to continue on the very subject that got the thread locked simply by saying, "I don't know what was worse about the situation, making a thread to celebrate a user who was suspended for breaking the rules or using that thread to say who should be banned instead." In fact, it's a major invitation to the participants of the previous thread to stir the debate up all over again, which defeats the purpose of locking it in the first place.

I still feel the main point of your post was to get the last word in on the thread in question, but that's just me. And with that said, I'm stepping out; the mods really should really be the ones handling this anyway.

Thanks for standing up for me enigmawing!

No prob.

. . .

And hey, where's my appreciation thread?

j/k

[The_Iceflash]

I obviously can't speak for CJ but if the original intent of the thread was a slap in the mods' faces, why would she state she'd hoped to keep the thread open for Goliath's return?

Defending/supporting the actions of the moderators and admins can easily be done without resorting to further negative commentary on a thread that's already off-limits for discussion. Despite your repetitive claims to the contrary, you've definitely chosen to continue on the very subject that got the thread locked simply by saying, "I don't know what was worse about the situation, making a thread to celebrate a user who was suspended for breaking the rules or using that thread to say who should be banned instead." In fact, it's a major invitation to the participants of the previous thread to stir the debate up all over again, which defeats the purpose of locking it in the first place.

I still feel the main point of your post was to get the last word in on the thread in question, but that's just me. And with that said, I'm stepping out; the mods really should really be the ones handling this anyway.

Thanks for standing up for me enigmawing!

No prob.

. . .

And hey, where's my appreciation thread?

j/k

To quote: "Since it is no longer a Goliath appreciation thread, I am going to have to close it."

That's why it was closed. That was the reason stated. This thread isn't even on topic with what was going on in the locked thread. I'm against the very creation of the thread, something not even disgusted there. If I intended on continuing a discussion (even though it was clear that this isn't a continuation as discussion ceased before it was locked) I would have quoted users and continued the topic being discussed. No one was discussing or suggesting how wrong the thread was in the first place. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't closed sooner considering the first posts consisted of opinions on the suspension.

The thread was clearly created to be against the suspension. The original OP stated that they thought the suspension was unfair. As a result, the entire premise of the thread is IMO insulting to the mods. This thread is stating that although I found that entire thing insulting to mods, I commend them for standing by their decisions and their rules no matter what. That is what is needed to keep the peace.

If the mods feel that this thread should be removed/locked then I'll respect that. It wasn't my intention to break any rules and I apologize if the mods determine that I have. I'm just tired of the attitudes around here and how much is tolerated by other members and considered witty. The appreciation thread was just the icing on the cake for me and I apologize if this thread was the wrong way to commend the mods and express my feelings on the issues at hand. Perhaps this would have been better as a PM/e-mail.

[Dr Frankenollie]

I wanted to say that I found it appalling as well that one would openly state why a member should be banned in response to not liking that a user that they are a fan of was banned. How wrong.

Firstly, I'd prefer you to refer to me by name if you're going to criticise me. Secondly, this is only an online forum; don't you think 'appalling' is too strong a word? Thirdly, I said Disney Duster should be suspended rather than banned. Finally, both you and others were saying that it was right for Goliath to have been suspended; why can't I say whether another person should be suspended?

My final word on this matter is that I still stand by my original opinions, but I no longer wish to cause trouble and will no longer reply to this unless The Ice_Flash continues to refer to me rudely. I whole-heartedly apologise to CJ for possibly wasting her time.

[CJ]

A couple of things before I close this thread:

1. I see no reason as to why there can't be appreciation threads created for a member who happens to be on suspension at the time.

2. As I stated in the other thread, it was no longer an appreciation thread, it had become an environment of open hostility and appalling behavior, which is why it was closed.

3. While this thread may have been created with good intentions, it has further fueled the hostility from the other thread. Therefore, it will be closed.