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In what I hope is the first of a series of "Love for..." threads, I have decided to put a good word in for the much maligned California Adventure. This is mainly to make up for the serious drumming it has received, partly to substantiate something I said in the underrated attraction thread and partly because we don't really do enough of this little info bites that nobody reads.

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So, uh - where's the entrance again?</center>

Opening on 8 February, 2001 to mixed reviews, the park was adjacent to the existing Disneyland Park in Anaheim and the first major expansion of the Disneyland Resort, California.

When the park first opened, people were less than impressed. A lack of substantial rides and poor comparisons to the mighty Walt Disney World saw low attendance figures. The popular perception of DCA's attendance looks like this:

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(I should point out that I took that before opening. Then again, that would spoil the fun).</center>

However, upon my return to old Sydney town, I found myself thinking about Disneyland Resort a fair bit, and much of the memory of DCA was quite favourable.

The central problems that most people have with DCA is that it is either:
1) lacking rides/not for kids
2) lacking a cohesive theme.

At first glance, it is hard to argue with either of those things, especially in comparison to the other parks - including the one a few hundred metres next door. The latter is a harder one to muster an argument against, so I will address that later. First up, let's have a look at the rides and attractions.

Rides and Attractions - How Much is Enough?
So you've probably already been to Disneyland Park by the time you wander over to DCA, probably on your second or third day. You've squeezed in all the big exciting rides that sit on top of each other in the main park, and you are pumped for more Disney action. Instead you find a sparsely populated old-style amusement park.

DCA is divided into four main areas: Hollywood Backlot; Golden State; A Bug's Land and Paradise Pier. Between those areas, there are over 30 attractions/rides in the park, although this is admittedly a far cry from the 50+ attractions/rides in the original park, and a further cry from the WDW complex.

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Tower of Terror - Don't look down, don't argue with it.</center>

Like most people, we went straight to the Tower of Terror, possibly the biggest crowd-drawer in the park. It can be seen well beyond the borders of the park, including the window of my hotel (Radisson) on my second stay. Again, I've heard this is not as good as the Floridian one, but when you are dropping 13 floors at that speed, who really cares? This ride alone should ensure the crowds in DCA.

Soarin' Over California is an equally fun ride, with its senses-fooling trip over the fair state. It is also hard to argue that there aren't any thrills there when California Screamin'; Grizzly River Run; the Maliboomer; Mulholland Madness and the aforementioned Tower of Terror are all on the premises.

For kids, A Bug's Land is just brilliant. Whether it is Flik's Flyers (Dumbo in a box); Francis' Ladybug Boogie (teacups without the drugs) or Heimlich's Chew Chew Train. The forthcoming Mike & Sulley/Monsters Inc. ride in the Backlot is sure to draw in the little ones as well. Muppet Vision 3D and It's Tough to Be a Bug are also top-notch interactive 3D shows (well, interactive in the sense you get sprayed and prodded), up there with the equivalent 3D shows in the primary park. It is hard to argue that this isn't for kids when there is an entire section DEDICATED to the little ones. I still managed to have fun in there. :D

The animation building; the Aladdin musical spectacular and the 'discovery' areas of DCA should be enough to keep adults and fans happy too. Speaking of the animation building, Turtle Talk with Crush is another fine example of kiddie based entertainment.

No cohesive theme?

Another aspect of the park is that is often criticised is the lack of a "theme" holding it all together. Disneyland has a seamless transition from Fantasyland through Tomorrowland and so forth, where the wide open spaces of DCA seem to clearly demarcate the lands and make it appear to be four separate and distinct areas, rather than one cohesive whole.

California is a large and diverse state. The park represents this size and diversity. One of the aspects of DCA that is often overlooked is the sheer beauty of some parks of the park. Standing down on the Paradise Pier and looking back at the Golden State section, you'd be forgiven for swelling up at the faux beauty of it all:

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Purty, ain't it?</center>

Although the park doesn't seem to have one theme in it, nor does California. As the official sitesays: "From the gold rush to Hollywood's golden era to the timeless allure of the beach, discover the vast and diverse Golden State." The park certainly fulfils that part of the bargain.

Finally, the biggest argument that can be made for DCA is that it is one of the few Disney park where alcohol can be consumed on the premises:

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Tasty treats await. Mmm....beverage.</center>

The park is still growing, and may yet see huge attendance figures. Like California itself, it started from humble beginnings and has grown into something grand.

So that's it for my humble little tribute to an underrated theme park. Feel free to ignore, but I'd like to hear some other shout outs of love for this park. Surely I'm not the only one to think it was great?

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So is this a California Adventure discussion or just a discussion for people who love it?

Just want to make sure before I diss it! :wink:
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:So is this a California Adventure discussion or just a discussion for people who love it?

Just want to make sure before I diss it! :wink:
Diss on. It is a conversation starter :P
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Again, I've heard this is not as good as the Floridian one, but when you are dropping 13 floors at that speed, who really cares?[/quote]

I haven't even been to California Adventure and I know that The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror at The Disney Studios is 10,000x better than that one, just putting into consideration, it looks better and you don't know when the ride stops with its random drop sequence :twisted:

On a more "On-Topic" note, I don't see why everyone hates the park. Would someone mind shedding some light?

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I've only been to DCA once, in August 2001, back when they had these Soap Fridays, that's not the real name. Four ABC soap stars (2 from Port Charles, 2 from General Hospital) would visit the park on a Friday, and sign autographs in front of the Soap Opera Bistro, then there would be some kind of question and answer session somewhere else. Since then, Soap Opera Bistro was changed to something for Playhouse Disney, Port Charles was canceled, and General Hospital is all but unwatchable.

Since we didn't do much at DCA during our time there (I think we could only stay half a day), I wasn't really impressed with anything except for their musical show (a boy who doesn't believe in magic, is introduced to every magical character in the Disney canon) and Soarin'.

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I will be going to California Adventure at least one of the 3 days I am at Disneyland next week. I hope to love it . I am looking forward to their big Roller Coaster. I also think the kids will like Bugs life
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To start with ... California Adventure is poorly themed! It started of as a California theme, but since that gets old fast they quickly turned it into a Pixar/Playhouse Disney land! Which I find really lame! At least make these characters fit into the California theme somehow.

I was impressed with the Grizzy River Raft Run, which was a very nice raft ride, a huge step above that one from Animal Kingdom. And California Screamin' is one of the smoothest coasters in all of California, but aside from those rides, I wasn't too impressed with the rest.

Soarin Over California didn't impress me as much as others. Maybe it's because I lived in California for 12 years so I've pretty much been to most of those places. I mean it's nice for people who don't go to California often, but for me it was just, "oh yeah I've been there!"

It's Tough to Be a Bug and Muppet Vision 3D are both great shows, but it would be nice to have original shows since it gets kinda is disappointing to have so many clones around the other parks.

Tower of Terror is good, but I agree, the one at MGM is far superior!

I LOVE Who Wants to Be a Millionaire! Play It! I mean I know it's a clone, which I don't really like, but this show is SO well made that it's fun no matter how many times you go. I love that it's a different show everytime you go on it! Not very many shows offer that! So you get a great new experience everytime you go on it! Whether it's DCA or MGM, EVERYONE MUST GO ON THIS AT LEAST ONCE!

Then the rest are boring carnival rides and games. Oh yeah and there was a Golden Dreams show that's interesting once! But you don't ever need to go on it again!

Overall DCA really lacks any good rides since I can only truely recommend 5 attractions! The new Monster's Inc. ride will help, but overall until I go to this park again, this park is nothing more than a combination of clones, out of placed characters and boring carnival rides along with a few highlights.
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OK, I think I am starting to get why this park is disliked by long-term park fans.

The lack of theme that Timon/Pumba Fan mentioned IS hard to argue with, but as I said above the park's theme IS its diversity in a way, just like California. Sure, it's a weaker theme than most, but a theme nonetheless.

The lack of big attractions is also a let down, but that said, we do have Disneyland right next door. It is a companion park, a supplement, and could never eclipse that.

However, a word that Timon/Pumba Fan used intrigued me: "clone".

The Paradise Pier definitely suffers clone syndrome, with most of the rides being of the "off the shelf" variety. None of them really have a "Disney" element to them.

However, for me it was still fun. With the exception of the original Disneyland, I haven't been to any of these other parks. Tower of Terror, Muppets, Soarin', It's Tough to Be a Big all impressed me because they were new to ME. Is it, then, that DCA is a bad park, or does it simply suffer in comparison to the others? I would say the latter, because by itself it is a pretty fun experience.

I'm sure that if I ever get to Florida - and I will one day - DCA will seem less impressive. However, I still say that there is a fair bit to offer a visitor to DCA, even if regulars may tire of it. Which begs the question: can you have too much Disney parking? :D Should the experience be seldom and more magical? Given that I can only get to a park once every few years (until they build one here), I would say that absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Oh, and while I'm here, I love what they have done to the California lettering for Xmas :P

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I'm gonna have to jump in here with my opinions and experiences at California Adventure. I've been to the Disneyland Resort four times in the past year for 3 to 4 days each trip.

We've got two little girls who are both too short to go on any of the height-restricted rides at DCA, which includes about half of the park: Soarin', Tower of Terror, Screamin', Grizzley River Rapids, Maliboomer, Jumpin Jellyfish, Mulholland Madness, and Orange Stinger.

So that leaves the four Bug's Land rides (the catepillar train, the "bumper" cars, Flik's Flyers, and the Ladybug Boogie), King Triton's Carousel, the Golden Zephyer, and the Sun Wheel to go on for the kids.

There are also the shows: Muppet Vision 3D, Tough to be a Bug, Playhouse Disney, Aladdin, Golden Dreams, Disney Animation; and the other diversions: Bountiful Farm, Redwood Creek Challange Trail, Bread and Tortilla factories, Wine tasting (which I've never done because we don't drink alcohol), and the parades. The girls are scared stiff of the Bug show and also dislike the Muppet shoe (they're sensitive little girls :cry: ). We've done Playhouse Disney once, but I know I couldn't sit through it again. I've seen Aladdin twice now and it's a good show, but not something I care to see again. Plus, I could never get over that one extra in the cast riding around in her electric wheelchair. I'm all for equal-oppurtunity employment and all, but the electric wheelchair in ancient Agrabah is way out of place.

I've seen about everything in Disney Animation, and it's nice, but not too repeatable. Unfortunately we've yet to see Turtle Talk show because it broke down when we were in line for it. The kids really liked the Redwood Creek Challange Trail. And the Bread and Tortilla factories are just that, boring factories--but free food is always nice! Golden Dreams was ok, but there is nothing about it that makes me want to see it again.

The kids do enjoy the Bug's Land, but the youger one can't ride the "bumber" cars, so that disappoints her. The Ladybuy Boogie is only half the ride that the tea cups are in Disneyland, and there not that great either. The catepillar train is so lame and unexciting I want to scream, but the girls love it. They also love the carousel and Sun Wheel, but only the non-swinging gondolas.

The last time we went our oldest was about a quarter of an inch too short for Jumpin Jellyfish and they wouldn't let her on it. Funny how they let her ride Splash Mountain a half dozen times without even checking her height.

For me, I love Tower of Terror and usually go on it by myself because it makes my wife sick. On the other hand, she loves Screamin', but it makes me sick. Soarin' is a nice ride, but like all movie-based rides (read Star Tours) it will eventually lose its appeal. Unfortunately for me, it's already been lost. I also enjoy Mulholland Madness. Grizzley River Rapids unfortunately gets you a little too wet.

The theming of the park is a mixed bag for me. I personally think the overall theming of the park is decent, but most of the individual ride theming stinks! The worst themed rides include all of Paradise Pier, but I guess that is to be expected considering the overall theming of the land.

Wow, this post is getting long. In summary, of our usually 3 to 4 day trip to Anaheim, we usually end up spending one morning in DCA and maybe an additional hour or two in the afternoon on another day when Disneyland is packed. We spend the remainder of the time at Disneyland and I can never get enough of it.

By the way, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Play It! is gone.
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Bill W wrote: By the way, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Play It! is gone.

I tried to search the internet to prove you wrong, but unfortunetely, I can't even find this attraction listed on the official California Adventure site!

When did it leave? :?
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I visited Disney's California Adventure during my late August visit for the 50th anniversary of Disneyland.

DCA is very much a mixed bag-borrowing elements from several different theme/amusement parks in California:

Paradise Pier=Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk
Grizzly River Run=would be at home at Knott's Berry Farm
Hollywood Pictures Backlot=Universal Studios Hollywood
Disney's Electrical Parade=Disneyland's Main Street Electrical Parade

The rides were nice, spiffy and well kept but I couldn't help but feel like I was visiting a carbon copy (I've been to all of the above mentioned amusement parks over the years, all more than once).

Still, the lines for the rides/attractions were short and I do like the fact that the parks are right across from each other, so there's no lost time commuting between parks if you decide to visit both in a day (try visiting two parks in Florida on the same day without wasting at least an hour commuting between the two!). Tower of Terror, Soarin' and Grizzly River Run are worth riding and Muppet Vision and It's Tough to be a Bug are rather fun shows.

And I can't complain too much, after all DCA did bring back the Main Street Electrical Parade! (Sorry, DCA, you may call it Disney's Electrical Parade, but it's always gonna be the Main Street Electrical Parade in my book!)

Overall, not worth travelling to see on its own, but it's not a bad way to spend a second or third day at Disneyland.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:I tried to search the internet to prove you wrong, but unfortunetely, I can't even find this attraction listed on the official California Adventure site!

When did it leave? :?
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Got back from Disney yesterday, I was kind of let down by California Adventure. The California Screamer was great and so was the Grizzly Rapids. They also had better food in the park compared to Disneyland. I found it had 1/3 the people so the lines went faster and on a few of the rides the Fast Pass was less than 1 hour rate. The Block Party was terrible and the ride selection was not the greatest. Out of four days at the park we spent 3/4 of 1 day there. I skipped the Hollywood Tower, my kids could not go on it. The Honey I shrunk the audience show was ok. Only characters I saw at the park besides the Pixar ones in the parade were Mulan and Mushu. Plus Flick and Atta in a show.
We plan to go back to Disneyland in 2008 when Joey is 4 and Josh will be 8. Probably a 5 day hopper. Hopefully California Adventure will be better when the Monster's Inc attraction is open
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Sorry to bump up this old thread, but I had some thoughts after listening to Aaron's podcast of his Disneyland Trip Report. He gave a very good critique of DCA and it was fair and his reasoning was reasonable. Now I've been to DCA in 2001 (it was brand new YAY), but we only stayed long enough to see Hollywood Pictures Backlot, Golden State, Bountiful Valley Farm and finish with Soarin' Over California (our first experience with fastpass!), thus we greatly enjoyed the experience and found no fault in the park whatsoever. Though the thing that struck me most of Aaron's discussion was the air of bitterness in his review of Paradise Pier. I've listened and enjoyed all the episodes of Aaron's podcasts and I believe this is the first time I've ever heard him speak so passionately against Disney. I saw the same bitter attitude as I read this thread and the wheels in my head started turning ("since I looked at the loony old man!" :lol: jk jk)...

Before I begin, I must remind you that I've never been to Paradise Pier and I've only seen it from afar and in pictures so this idea may be totally wacky, bizarre, and unthinkable, but...

What if...(heh, sounds like a certain trailer ;)) new fences were put up? New boudaries, new borders, a change in what is and what is not California Adventure. Based on reviews of Paradise Pier, I say to remove that "land" from California Adventure all together.

Now that's not very noteworthy, you say. A lot of people feel that way. But...yes, there's a "but"...remove is not the same as demolish. I feel that it would be in the best interest of Disney to remove Paradise Pier from DCA, thus removing the opportunity to experience this part of DCA from the ticket price. DCA would have a lower admission price so people can enjoy the better half of the park and not worry about paying the full price until the park is expanded (if it can be) with a better area. Paradise Pier can then become an addition to Downtown Disney. Of course, there would not be free admission to the rides. Disney could bring back the old ticket books and sell individual tickets so people can choose to pay for the experience they want.

I say this for many reasons:
1) From a tourist's perspective...We were just at Downtown Disney in Anaheim early January 2006 (unfortunately time and money did not permit us to visit the parks) and it's a nice shopping area, but it did not offer as much (in consideration of those on vacation) as WDW's Downtown Disney area. We went on an early afternoon and ended up spending the most time eating, playing at ESPN zone arcade, reading in the bookstore, pretending to be guests of the Grand Californian, and waiting for a ride back to our cousin's house. We probably could've done this back home at a mall (aside from the hotel part). True, there's nightlife and more shops to explore, but what about the kiddies? By adding Paradise Pier as another entertainment option in the Downtown Disney area, I believe more families will decide to add another day to their vacation and save a little money, by spending a day in the whole Downtown Disney area and still having a unique Disney experience. What I mean by the last part is more of a lighter, but still Disney experience. It's like getting Disney entertainment without getting the full blast of it! :)

I know they have the little carrousel and train ride at WDW's Marketplace. Despite the more supieror Cinderella's Carrousel and larger railroad at Magic Kingdom, guests still pay to put their kids on the rides. Paradise Pier would be the perfect touch to their Downtown Disney area as dinky little rides have already proven to be successful in the Florida version.

2) From a local perspective...I live in NJ and this summer's been really fun hanging out with my friends after not seeing a lot of them throughout our first year of college. Sadly, going to the mall got old back in 1999 and visiting the Jersey shore costs a lot of gas. If a shopping/entertainment district offered a year round carnival in addition to shopping, movies, and arcades, we'd probably go every weekend. We wouldn't even ride the rides all the time. We'd just walk around, buy hot dogs and play a few games or something. Local area families would find more reason to visit the Downtown Disney area as often as they would their local mall. Also, young lovers (lol, I can't believe I typed that) would find plenty to do to fill a night with clubbing and carnival playing (you see it all the time in teen movies and tv shows!). And since people end up dating multiple partners, I'm pretty sure there would be multiple visits to the area with different partners. The steady couples could return for nostalgic reasons ("Oh, John we rode Jumpin' Jellyfish on our first date!" "Why yes, Marsha, let's go do it again and relive that night!" :P).

3) The point of reasons 1 and 2...Moving Paradise Pier to Downtown Disney makes it more attractive to tourists and local visitors. More people would visit the Pier. Profits shouldn't really suffer since there are more people going on the rides, playing the games, eating the food, shopping the shops, etc. More people means more money for Disney!

4)Let's face it...Aaron's right that the area is not really what one thinks of finding inside a Disney theme park. Less people are going to DCA because people don't want to pay the Disney Theme Park admission price for something they can do outside of Disney. The pier doesn't seem outstanding enough for Disneyland guests to spend the extra money for a hopper to visit it. The rest of the park was terrific, but it seems some feel a bit robbed by paying the Disneyland Park price for half a decent park and a carnival. In the small entertainment complex like area open to the public that is Downtown Disney, a carnival type area would be more fitting and probably more widely accepted and appreciated by a wider range of people. I would definitely appreciate it more, knowing it's another entertainment area in the shopping district rather than a "land" in a Disney theme park.

Unfortunately, there's a few downsides to this idea...
1) I think the Grand Californian Hotel is in the way of making Paradise Pier a direct expansion of Downtown Disney.
2) I don't know anything about theme park economics, so my idea (ok, can't call it mine since others may have thought it up too) may not be so profitable afterall. Perhaps in the long-run it may be, but I'm still not sure.
3) California Adventure becomes half (maybe 2/3rds) a theme park. It would be great if they could expand it by expanding the Hollywood Pictures Backlot, but the city area and parking area around the park makes future expansion impossible unless Disney buys out all the businesses.
4) There's no way in Hades' Underworld anyone could convince Disney execs. to chop their theme park in half.

Still, it's a nice dream of mine that I would love to see become a reality. With a Hollywood Backlot expansion and the relocating of Paradise Pier, the Disneyland Resort has the potential of becoming a much enjoyable, and appreciated happiest place on earth that it already is.
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I would have to agree that DCA is not (and never will be) the park the Disneyland is. I don't hate the place, in fact I quite enjoy it! DCA just doesnt have that same "sparkle" of the Disney magic that you feel when you enter Disneyland. I think that Aladdin: A Musical Spectacular! Is worth going to DCA just for that. I throughly enjoy the show everytime I go to see it. And plus, the Genie changes his jokes each time ;) ha ha. Soarin' Over California, in my opinion, is a great ride! You really do "Soar Over California" I feel as if i'm actually flying on a hanglider, feet dangling and everything! And plus they add a scent of where you are (e.g. pine for the forests, citrus for the orange groves) flying. The other rides, although a little bit less than Original, are still fun to go on. And the Disney Animation Studio is also worth a visit (in the hollywood pictures backlot) where you can sometimes meet a Disney Princess or two. Overall, I think that DCA is very very nice park, and it's definetly worth a visit. Maybe not a whole trip up to Anaheim for just that park, but a park-hopper pass is the best way for a full experience! If DCA wasn't right up against Disneyland, I think it would have a bit more popularity.
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Loomis wrote:
I'm sure that if I ever get to Florida - and I will one day - DCA will seem less impressive.
No you probably won't, since you've been to it first. I have been to WDW many times and I still like DCA very much. Heck I've been to Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySEA, and I like DCA very much! :D
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Whoa, I didn't see that the thread was old.
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dizfan wrote:Whoa, I didn't see that the thread was old.
Lol, sorry. I bumped it so I wouldn't have to make a new topic.

But what puzzles me is that you like DCA better than Tokyo Disneyland/DisneySea or am I reading that wrong???
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I think DCA has some potential, I liked the Boardwalk area, but I hated when you got past that part and it was like any other amusement park with all the rides close together and no theme. I think that area needs a remodel including that bumpy little rollercoaster back there.
On the Boardwalk the California Screamer and the Ferris Wheel are Awesome, I also liked the games, and if you stand by the water, I think they need more characters in the park, maybe a little more Pixar themed, with The Bug's Life Stage and now the Monster's Inc ride. They should have put the Nemo Ride here too. Besides the Dance Party which sucks the only Characters we saw walking around were Mulan and Mushu, saw a different Mulan at Disneyland the day before. And Flick in his show. Oh yeah we could see the Princesses at one of the charater dining places. The Dance Party had Bug's Life, Incredibles, and Toy Story Characters, that we saw in our spot.
There are a few other good rides there also like Sorin, Tower, and Rapids.
I also like the Muppet 3-d which I have also seen at MGM
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Kram Nebuer wrote: But what puzzles me is that you like DCA better than Tokyo Disneyland/DisneySea or am I reading that wrong???
Yeah, I never said that.
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