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xxhplinkxx wrote:Y'know, I watched Cabaret... wasn't too impressed.
What were you expecting?

When I recently watched it I was completely surprised at just how complex the plots/relationships between the characters were in addition to how well the songs in the cabaret and symbolism representing the rise of Nazism in Germany was. It's a complex show/film that is often times creepy (the MC is almost nightmare inducing) and unsettling in addition to hilarious and emotional. Its a great film than may not have outstanding music (the songs are catchy however, and I prefer the ones Joel Grey sings than Liza) but a great story and deserved all the awards it got (OK maybe not all 1776 should DEFINITELY have got some love).

BOT, Clay Aiken is gay, woop dee s**t. It's juts another example of the media treating homosexuality as big news that's both shocking in a horribly (but not directly) insulting and discouraging way. I think of all thins it's the media that really turns a large chunk of society against gays (and other things) and unfortunately some people are too stupid to think for tthemselves or about what they read/see.
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I agree that it shouldn't be a big deal when celebrities come out, as far as it shouldn't matter if anyone does- it doesn't change who they are. But I think the big thing with Clay is that he had kind of denied it for so long...and the fact that it's not too shocking, since many people have been speculating it for 5 years.
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xxhplinkxx wrote:Y'know, I watched Cabaret... wasn't too impressed.
What were you expecting?

When I recently watched it I was completely surprised at just how complex the plots/relationships between the characters were in addition to how well the songs in the cabaret and symbolism representing the rise of Nazism in Germany was. It's a complex show/film that is often times creepy (the MC is almost nightmare inducing) and unsettling in addition to hilarious and emotional. Its a great film than may not have outstanding music (the songs are catchy however, and I prefer the ones Joel Grey sings than Liza) but a great story and deserved all the awards it got (OK maybe not all 1776 should DEFINITELY have got some love).

Thanks, FH, I was SPEECHLESS! :shock:
(I do love Sally Bowles' songs, though!) :wink:
The film and stage show are FREAKIN' classics! :D
And the gay subplot was VERY daring for its time! 8)
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BOT, Clay Aiken is gay, woop dee s**t. It's juts another example of the media treating homosexuality as big news that's both shocking in a horribly (but not directly) insulting and discouraging way. I think of all thins it's the media that really turns a large chunk of society against gays (and other things) and unfortunately some people are too stupid to think for tthemselves or about what they read/see.
Ditto to that, too!
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It's just me, or someone else thinks that some celebrities are telling they're gay just because?

I mean no offense to them or to any gay,homosexual,bisexual,lesbian person; but I can't believe almost half hollywood is gay...half Brodway perhaps but half hollywood?...

Holly...ohhh....now I got it! Is the name :wink: :P :lol:
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Isidour wrote:It's just me, or someone else thinks that some celebrities are telling they're gay just because?

I mean no offense to them or to any gay,homosexual,bisexual,lesbian person; but I can't believe almost half hollywood is gay...half Brodway perhaps but half hollywood?...
Yes, because going gay is the new green.

Seriously, you can't believe people involved in a creative field are gay? I mean, have you ever looked at liberal arts school?
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Indeed!

It's like saying that gays are more intelligent(some are even dumbest than a "macho" on emotional intelligence!) or the straight guys and gals are straightly to the Darwin's disposal-can
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"If celebrities didn't want people rummaging through their garbage and calling them gay, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively."

Sorry, just had to share that Simpsons quote.
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Flanger-Hanger wrote:"If celebrities didn't want people rummaging through their garbage and calling them gay, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively."

Sorry, just had to share that Simpsons quote.
I love that quote.
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So let me get this straight (ha), pap, Divinity, and, I'm sorry but maybe Chernabog, too: Certain gay guys should stop doing what they enjoy, so that the rest of the world doesn't think all gay guys are like that? Because it's not the rest of the world that is stupid and silly for stereotyping and thinking like that, it's those gay guys?

Who's to say dressing in women's clothes or having lots of sex or men acting "girly" or theatrical is stupid or silly anyway? It's just what you and a lot of other people don't like.

And get this, I want people to accept my being into princesses, being theatrical, being fanciful, and being what people call "girly", along with my being gay! I want them to accept it all. I'm not going to change myself to be "conservative" so people think the only difference between me and them is I like the same sex, because that is not me and I want them to accept all of me.

Sure, I try to hide anything I think will let people know I'm gay when I'm around certain family members or people who I think will be disturbed or not let me do something I want if they thought I was, or out of fear, but for the rest of the world, I want them to accept me, gayness and flamboyance and all.

And once I thought that I could bond with lots of gay guys because we would have more in common than just liking guys. And this Disney love actually proves some of that. Why you're ignoring it is beyond me. I got excited when I heard Disney was something a lot of gay people love. I like the bonding. Now people are trying to destroy it.
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Bravo, Mike! :D
You've come far, grasshopper! :P

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Disney Duster wrote:I like the bonding. Now people are trying to destroy it.
Sadly many people tend to destroy what they can't understand

One thing I've always said and admire of almost all gay-man is their sense for clothing. I mean wow! Always have invited one and another girl to help me(usually Paola, Sayreth, Yomara, Tere, Ana, Elizabeth, Angela or my sister) :P
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Disney Duster wrote:So let me get this straight (ha), pap, Divinity, and, I'm sorry but maybe Chernabog, too: Certain gay guys should stop doing what they enjoy, so that the rest of the world doesn't think all gay guys are like that? Because it's not the rest of the world that is stupid and silly for stereotyping and thinking like that, it's those gay guys?
I never said that--don't put words in my mouth (or, rather, post :D ).
Who's to say dressing in women's clothes or having lots of sex or men acting "girly" or theatrical is stupid or silly anyway? It's just what you and a lot of other people don't like.
I never said that either. The first doesn't bother me at all, the second should be obvious (it is to me anyway) and the third is stupid/silly only if the person is acting.
And once I thought that I could bond with lots of gay guys because we would have more in common than just liking guys. And this Disney love actually proves some of that. Why you're ignoring it is beyond me. I got excited when I heard Disney was something a lot of gay people love. I like the bonding. Now people are trying to destroy it.
I don't get the connection between Disney and fake "girliness" (which is different, in my mind, from simply being the way you are naturally). Gay guys can easily bond, just as any two people can bond in a friendly way. But that doesn't guarantee that all gay guys will be the same or agree.

I don't understand why you're being so dramatic about this--I've simply been giving an opinion on the subject and for some reason you take that as me trying to "destroy" the common bond that we (and, I would think, everyone else on this forum) share. People still manage to stay friends even when they don't agree on certain subjects.

Also, although I'm not sure it's quite what you meant, I'm actually very liberal. But I personally find it rather extreme for individuals to be conservative or liberal on every subject (the actual act of sex, which is an emotional and loving bond that is beautiful and should be shared and valued between two individuals, is one of the few things I'm "conservative" on, if you could even consider it that; I simply think it devalues human beings and the act of sex itself if you treat it as if it's just pleasure and nothing more--of course, I understand the right that everyone should be able to live and act freely [within harmful limits], I'm simply expressing the fact that discipline is critical to living happily and that it's only reasonable to maintain it in every aspect of life, sex included), simply because there's a time and place for everything.

EDIT: I've been thinking about this for a while, but I probably should stay out of this thread. This section is kind of mostly for blowing off steam and an overly introspective, long-post-making (thread-ruining) poster like me should probably leave well enough alone. :P
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Isidour wrote:One thing I've always said and admire of almost all gay-man is their sense for clothing. I mean wow! Always have invited one and another girl to help me(usually Paola, Sayreth, Yomara, Tere, Ana, Elizabeth, Angela or my sister) :P
Are you kidding me? I'm gay and I have to find other gay guys to pick out clothes for me if I ever want to be fashionable. I really don't have much of a taste in clothes IMO but that may be more of a result in me not caring to spend $$$$ on an item I deem to be rather basic (besides how would I pay for DVDs?).
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Disney Duster wrote:So let me get this straight (ha), pap, Divinity, and, I'm sorry but maybe Chernabog, too: Certain gay guys should stop doing what they enjoy, so that the rest of the world doesn't think all gay guys are like that? Because it's not the rest of the world that is stupid and silly for stereotyping and thinking like that, it's those gay guys?

Who's to say dressing in women's clothes or having lots of sex or men acting "girly" or theatrical is stupid or silly anyway? It's just what you and a lot of other people don't like.

And get this, I want people to accept my being into princesses, being theatrical, being fanciful, and being what people call "girly", along with my being gay! I want them to accept it all. I'm not going to change myself to be "conservative" so people think the only difference between me and them is I like the same sex, because that is not me and I want them to accept all of me.

Sure, I try to hide anything I think will let people know I'm gay when I'm around certain family members or people who I think will be disturbed or not let me do something I want if they thought I was, or out of fear, but for the rest of the world, I want them to accept me, gayness and flamboyance and all.

And once I thought that I could bond with lots of gay guys because we would have more in common than just liking guys. And this Disney love actually proves some of that. Why you're ignoring it is beyond me. I got excited when I heard Disney was something a lot of gay people love. I like the bonding. Now people are trying to destroy it.
I'm not trying to say that gay guys should stop doing the things they love dong, but I am saying that there should be more awareness that not all gay guys do behave in those ways that are stereotypical. My cousin was suprised I was gay and even said "but you don't have a lisp or dress like girls" she also listed another stereotype and I said "No, those are just general stereotypes, not all gay guys have those qualities". I think that gay guys who do have lisps, especially those that do it on purpose are enforcing those stereotypes and it wouldn't hurt if there was more of an effort on everyones part to realize it's only a small part of being gay and that there are guys who don't lisp, dress like Liza Menelli (whoever she still may be) and so on.

If you do those things, whether natural or otherwise that's fine with me I won't make you stop doing it. I just think that such large enforcment isn't really helping any.

I've always associated dressing in women's clothes as something a Transvestite would do, I've never really associated it with being gay and don't have much thought on the matter aside from that. Having lots of sex I can't really comment on, there's a lot of straight people that have a lot of sex so it goes both ways I guess. I do think acting theatrical or dramatic can be silly to an extent, especially if you want people to take you seriously. If I wanted someone to take what I say or do seriously I wouldn't act dramatic about everything or theatrical etc. But if that's what you want to do more power to you. I've never understood the acting girly thing, I don't really do it myself it's outside my comfort area.

Well guess what, I do accept you for being into princesses, theatrical, fanciful and everything else you listed because that's who you are. I'm not going to pick and choose what I'm going to accept about you otherwise you might, or anyone else would look like swiss cheese. I accept you for who you are and wouldn't try to change you because I know that it would be like someone else trying to make me change.

I want my family to accept me for being gay but the sad truth is that won't happen, so I'm still hiding in that closet with all the clothes and anything else that's been thrown in there over the years.

I don't think I'm one of the people your refering to about the destroying of the bonding for Disney. Simply because I feel like the two of us have bonded over it, judging by how long our PM convo has been going :)
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Flanger-Hanger wrote:
Isidour wrote:One thing I've always said and admire of almost all gay-man is their sense for clothing. I mean wow! Always have invited one and another girl to help me(usually Paola, Sayreth, Yomara, Tere, Ana, Elizabeth, Angela or my sister) :P
Are you kidding me? I'm gay and I have to find other gay guys to pick out clothes for me if I ever want to be fashionable. I really don't have much of a taste in clothes IMO but that may be more of a result in me not caring to spend $$$$ on an item I deem to be rather basic (besides how would I pay for DVDs?).
IMO honey, besides you're talking to a guy who wears only elegant clothing on special occasions and winter
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Disney Duster wrote:So let me get this straight (ha), pap, Divinity, and, I'm sorry but maybe Chernabog, too: Certain gay guys should stop doing what they enjoy, so that the rest of the world doesn't think all gay guys are like that? Because it's not the rest of the world that is stupid and silly for stereotyping and thinking like that, it's those gay guys?

Who's to say dressing in women's clothes or having lots of sex or men acting "girly" or theatrical is stupid or silly anyway? It's just what you and a lot of other people don't like.

And get this, I want people to accept my being into princesses, being theatrical, being fanciful, and being what people call "girly", along with my being gay! I want them to accept it all. I'm not going to change myself to be "conservative" so people think the only difference between me and them is I like the same sex, because that is not me and I want them to accept all of me.

Sure, I try to hide anything I think will let people know I'm gay when I'm around certain family members or people who I think will be disturbed or not let me do something I want if they thought I was, or out of fear, but for the rest of the world, I want them to accept me, gayness and flamboyance and all.

And once I thought that I could bond with lots of gay guys because we would have more in common than just liking guys. And this Disney love actually proves some of that. Why you're ignoring it is beyond me. I got excited when I heard Disney was something a lot of gay people love. I like the bonding. Now people are trying to destroy it.
Go Disney Duster!!!!!!

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Vent time: Why is it a perfectly good weekend can just go and be ruined because of a bunch of ignorant, narrowminded people called my family? I wish I could speak up about how mean they sound but it would most likely out me which is really the last thing I want to happen since I have no clue what would happen which is a really scary thing. I know for one I'd be looked down upon at best and then treated like an outsider. After that who knows, then again I don't want to know.

Vent over, return to whatever we were discussing previously.
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what's a "Mo"? :?
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Isidour wrote:what's a "Mo"? :?
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