Encanto

[estefan]

It's also $14 million away from passing The Croods: A New Age to become the highest-grossing animated family film released during the pandemic. That's definitely doable.

I'm curious where Sing 2 lands. It's already at $70 million domestic, so it definitely feels like it's going to pass Encanto at some point. Sing 2 has only made $25 million internationally at this point, but we'll see how much that grows through January.

Considering how family films have performed during the pandemic, I think it's absurd to refer to Encanto as an underperformer. Action movies may be closer to making the grosses they did prior to the pandemic, but family movies absolutely aren't. I think if covid didn't exist, Raya and Encanto probably would have made over $200 million domestic and over $500 million like every other Disney Animation released in the last eight years.

[DisneyEra]

These were the 4 highest-grossing Domestic animated feature during the pandemic. International numbers vary, but domestic, ALL 4 of these features virtually preformed the same. $54 million to $58 million. Also, ALL 4 of these features were released at different times during the pandemic. Croods 2 "Thanksgiving" 2020/Raya "March" 2021/Boss Baby 2 "July 2021 & Addams Family 2 "October 2021. Neither of these features were unable to even get to $60 million domestic.

So how can Encanto, which is at $90 million domestic now be consider a disappointment?

[Farerb]

It doesn't really matter in my opinion.

[Disney's Divinity]

The only way I think they could be called underperformers is comparing them to the highest live-action films, but the fact that all animated films are low is proof that while many people will go out in the pandemic, families are more hesitant to risk their children's lives over an animated movie they could just wait to watch on streaming at home. In a way, I wonder if Disney may be making a similar mistake to how DTV sequels helped to kill off hand-drawn animation by conditioning people to see hand-drawn films as not being theatrical material--families will start to see animated content as only worth streaming rather than seeing in theaters after more than 2 years of this early streaming access plan.

[unprincess]

sure its a disappointment, compared to pre-Covid numbers, but like Ive posted before Covid and the continuing rise of streaming is a game-changer. The industry have to study these numbers and create new metrics for which to measure BO success by now. And Covid will eventually go away(hopefully, soon) but streaming will still be here to stay.

The dialogue is usually well translated in the Spanish dubs, but the quality of the lyrics is sometimes quite worse. I guess it's understandable, though, as it's not easy to say the same as in the original and still make it rhyme, especially when you need to use fewer words in each verse, as Spanish words are usually longer. In this case, the problem was also accentuated by the singing being quite fast at times.

so you watched the Spanish dub? is it good? Ive thought of watching it out of curiosity but I too am kinda dreading the songs b/c I cant imagine what a nightmare it must be to translate Lin's rapping and other faster sung lyrics and still have it sound good. I also read at least a couple complaints from Colombian viewers that the characters don't sound Colombian enough.

Moreover I'd say that the rap doesn't really fit his character, he seems to be more of an introvert so it felt kind of off when he started rapping.

yep and it felt really out if place in such a heartfelt song. Lin needs to know that just b/c he can rap doesn't mean everyone else can or should. The only time I thought the rapping thing worked (for a Disney film)was with Maui's song b/c it kinda fit the character's big ego and Dwayne Johnson was just able to pull it off.



about the powers being useful I think most of them could be useful with full control. Wasn't Isa shown growing palm trees during WECID? If she can grow palm trees she can probably grow other fruit trees and crops. Dolores and Cam's powers are very useful for espionage, though I dont know how useful that would be to the folks from their village as a whole(someone should make an Encanto Detective Agency AU!)

Oh, OK. By the way, the first quote you replied to is by Farerb, not mine. But don't worry, it's easy to make these kinds of mistakes, especially when there are several quotes in the same post. It has happened to me more than once.

oops! weird, how'd that happen?

1. Why didn't Bruno try to tell Pepa what he said to her at the wedding wasn't a prophecy before? He didn't leave until Mirabel was 5 years old, so several years passed between Pepa and Félix's wedding and that moment in which he could've done that.
2. Why was Pepa still so upset about what happened at the wedding? Shouldn't she had forgotten about it and started to miss her brother? Well, this one was an issue for me the first time I saw it, but now I think I know the answer to it and it's that deep down Pepa is not really upset about the wedding but at Bruno leaving them.
3. Aside from Dolores, how could no one notice Bruno was living hidden in the house all those years? I know it's a big house with magical rooms to boot, but still.
4. Like some of you have mentioned, it seems Dolores knew Bruno hadn't left the house or at least suspected it. It doesn't make much sense to me that she could keep that a secret for so long, when it's shown at the dinner with the Guzmáns that she can't keep a secret. By the way, that scene was hilarious and I love Dolores, but I don't understand that about her.

1-I think as adults Bruno and Pepa's relationship must have slowly started becoming more strained, like it became with his mothers, while he seemed to get along better with Julieta

2- I read about this theory too that it wasn't so much him ruining the wedding but that she was hurt and angry that he left

3- no clue but this I can let pass b/c it is a big house and its not as bad as the Dolores thing(#4)

4-no clue here either, all I can think of is that there had to have been some reason why she didn't tell anyone...or she told someone about it when she was younger and they just didn't believe her or convinced her it was probably something else. This one really needs to be addressed in a series, its a pretty glaring plot hole.


Yeah there's a really good series that could be made just by filling in all these blanks. Also maybe a prequel book like the one made for Frozen 2 about the parents but it would be about the triplets as kids up until the day Bruno left.

BTW where was there a Frozen joke? I don't recall any...

[blackcauldron85]

BTW where was there a Frozen joke? I don't recall any...

In "All of You," Bruno sings "Let it in, let it out, let it rain, let it snow, let it go."

[Farerb]

Disney posted this:

https://twitter.com/Disney/status/1476630532574400515

So what is the excuse that she sings 4/4 in The Family Madrigal?

[blackcauldron85]

Maybe because TFM is about the rest of the family's gifts, and WfAM is all about Mirabel's wishes?

[DisneyFan09]

I finally saw Encanto the other day. And I thought it was just meh. Not that I had any expectations or anything, but it certainly was nothing but passable or adequate. It truly failed from being something fine to something truly memorable or special. As I`ve previously said about the trailer, it truly felt like Coco at times. I certainly didn`t hate Mirabel, but frankly, her adorkable shtick was too much at times (despite how I felt that Anna`s adorkable shtick was too much, Mirabel truly surpassed her.). I liked the fact that it wasn`t a road movie and that it showed the complexities within a family. Despite how the parts of searching for Bruno were simply boring. Bruno was probably the best character in the film, but didn`t get enough screentime to truly shine.
However, I had two major gripes with the film: One is how the anachronisms in the song numbers simply didn`t work (especially the Titanic and Hercules references in Luisa`s song, Surface Pressure). Sure, Disney has always allowed anachronisms during their numbers, but in Pressure they just didn`t work. Another issue was how rushed the resolution of the conflict was. After Mirabel and Alma went on their lowest point, the solution was solved too quickly. I liked the fact that Mirabel didn`t get magic powers and her arc was to come in terms of her fate (which made it substantial). But the ending was simply too rushed.

[Thumper_93]

Unprincess I wouldn't see Encanto in Spanish. I'm from Spain, We are sharing the same dub with all South America and I still don't know what they're singing in some songs. With Coco we also had the same dub but they made a better work and if you speak Spanish you can understand almost all the songs and dialogues.
For example I didn't understand anything in Welcome to the family Madrigal until I listened the song in my house with my earphones. In my opinion they made a very bad work with the Spanish dub of this movie.

[DisneyEra]

These are the BO numbers for the last weekend of the Holidays. In 12 days Sing 2 has made $90million domestic. While Encanto in 40 days has made $91million domestic

[PatrickvD]

We Don’t Talk About Bruno is the number one streamed song on Spotify in the US. Will absolutely hit the top 10 on the billboard hot 100. Could be one of the bigger hits from a Disney musical in recent memory. Surface Pressure moved up to number 9.

The music video for Bruno on YouTube is the number one trending song as well. Having delivered 26 million views and growing in 5 days.

I don’t see any songs from Sing 2 charting or trending at all…

[unprincess]

BTW where was there a Frozen joke? I don't recall any...

In "All of You," Bruno sings "Let it in, let it out, let it rain, let it snow, let it go."

oh I see, since I wasn't crazy about his singing part there maybe I tuned it out, lol.

However, I had two major gripes with the film: One is how the anachronisms in the song numbers simply didn`t work (especially the Titanic and Hercules references in Luisa`s song, Surface Pressure).

those weren't anachronistic though? Hercules is an ancient Greek myth and Titanic sunk in 1912. Movie is set anywhere b/w 1920 and 1950. The only anachronistic line that sticks out to me was about the rat telenovelas and even there you can handwave it as being something Bruno saw in one of his future visions.

unprincess I wouldn't see Encanto in Spanish. I'm from Spain, We are sharing the same dub with all South America and I still don't know what they're singing in some songs.

oh that's too bad, maybe if the dub were better you could have enjoyed it a bit more.

We Don’t Talk About Bruno is the number one streamed song on Spotify in the US. Will absolutely hit the top 10 on the billboard hot 100. Could be one of the bigger hits from a Disney musical in recent memory. Surface Pressure moved up to number 9.
The music video for Bruno on YouTube is the number one trending song as well. Having delivered 26 million views and growing in 5 days.

that's awesome! I just hope its something Disney execs take note of when they measure the film's success. I know Jared Bush is aware of its popularity on social media circles as he's been answering questions and commented on how much he enjoyed the fan art(especially the OC door fan arts)

[PatrickvD]

Apparently Bruno is also going viral on Tik Tok. I’m really surprised by how big this song got overnight.

Number 1 on Spotify is an absolutely massive deal. This should give it a big advantage for best song at the Oscars.

And I have to say it’s kinda growing on me. At first the contemporary beat felt a bit off, but it’s kinda unique in how it blends pop/reggaeton with musical.

[Farerb]

Disney didn't submit the song to the Oscars, which was a big mistake on their part in my opinion, I think We Don't Talk About Bruno could have had better chances at winning than Dos Oruguitas.

[PatrickvD]

Disney didn't submit the song to the Oscars, which was a big mistake on their part in my opinion, I think We Don't Talk About Bruno could have had better chances at winning than Dos Oruguitas.

I love how they’re so clueless. Their loss.

[Disney's Divinity]

We Don’t Talk About Bruno is the number one streamed song on Spotify in the US. Will absolutely hit the top 10 on the billboard hot 100. Could be one of the bigger hits from a Disney musical in recent memory. Surface Pressure moved up to number 9.

WDTAB is the only true great song Miranda has delivered to WDAS so far, imo. It's up there with "Do You Want to Build a Snowman," "Let It Go," "For the First Time in Forever," and "Show Yourself" as the best songs from WDAS going back to TP&TF, imo, although the song and the film will probably end up having much less impact than the first Frozen and its songs.

[Warm Regards]

Having just finished this movie, I can chime in briefly and say that this movie was alright. It seems like a lot of people here were disappointed, which is an interesting flip on the surprising fame the film has on YouTube, TikTok, etc. (Well, except one YouTuber I watch who was pissed at this movie haha.)

Maybe I was neutral going in and therefore didn't have to worry about high expectations being crashed?

Spoilers (?!)

I think Encanto's conflict was a very deep rooted one that a lot of people can understand. There's a bit of commentary about "gifted" people having a lot of pressure and not gifted people feeling useless. However, the movies drama was solved way too quickly for the issues to really seem that deep -- magic really did more heavy lifting here than any heart-to-heart conversation ever could.

Ex: Bruno uses his vision to tell Mirabel she needs to talk to Isabela to help the magic stay alive.

But wouldn't that moment have been MUCH more powerful if because of the magic dying Bruno couldn't see the future despite Mirabel's desperation? Maybe Mirabel, after talking to Bruno and learning how he's never been hugged in years, has a conversation about how Mirabel/Isabela never hug because she never felt wanted. So then Mirabel decides that maybe she should check on Isabela just to try something new?

The songs were pretty good at character building but not so good at plot/storytelling -- Dos Oruguitas is a beautiful segment but the song itself is not moving the story aside from staging a tragic backstory. Louisa's and Isabella's songs particularly scream to me as something I should care about, but ultimately doesn't matter much because their character developments are then shoved aside for Mirabel to continue the story. In Louisa's case I suppose she was being feeble and therefore unavailable, but why was Isabela mood swinging with Mirabel? Siblings can give each other inspiration but it doesn't mean their tensions would just melt away? Same for Abuela and Mirabel, the resentment over the years would take more time to go away, it's a slow burn.

But nah, we can't do a slow burn -- Encanto's got a magic candle so we gotta go-go-go.

We Don't Talk About Bruno was a good song though, probably my favorite.

Also minor tidbit but I think it's terrible that they made Mirabel share a room with her younger brother for years. She seemed cool with it but still. They called it the nursery too -- Mirabel is a teenager and sleeps in the nursery, I ... They really treated her like a baby.

The townspeople apparently (but gratefully) loved Mirabel and the kids were sad when Mirabel went missing. I kinda wish they explored more about how the town saw her. What did they appreciate about Mirabel -- maybe if there was a scene where Abuela hears the town talking about Mirabel ("she's an amazing accordion player!"... "She patched up my dress" -- Mirabel likes to sew, etc.)

And then Abuela realizes that Mirabel, with no gift, had always brought good to not only her family but her village. Then Alma thinks, "I shouldn't have blamed Mirabel, I should talk to her," etc.

The extended family have lovely moments -- not a lot but I wasn't annoyed by anyone, not even Camilo.

Overall consensus: I think this was a much better film compared to Raya, at least -- I'll probably dig up that thread later and vent on my dislike for that movie there

[DisneyFan09]

those weren't anachronistic though? Hercules is an ancient Greek myth and Titanic sunk in 1912. Movie is set anywhere b/w 1920 and 1950. The only anachronistic line that sticks out to me was about the rat telenovelas and even there you can handwave it as being something Bruno saw in one of his future visions.

Fair enough, but they felt anachronistic too me. Simply because they felt jarringly out of place in that context. Besides, if they were going to have a Hercules-reference, why not having it look like it came from Disney`s Hercules?

[blackcauldron85]

I hadn't noticed Bruno in all these spots:
https://youtu.be/I2UbVVvxsbE

‘Encanto’s’ ‘We Don’t Talk About Bruno’ Is Topping the Charts. So Why Didn’t Disney Submit It for Oscars? *edit* After I posted it here, I saw that estefan posted it in the Oscars thread*
https://variety.com/2022/awards/news/we ... 235147940/

35 "Encanto" Details That Are Brilliant, But You Probably Missed Them The First Time Around
https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/e ... gs-details

The townspeople apparently (but gratefully) loved Mirabel and the kids were sad when Mirabel went missing. I kinda wish they explored more about how the town saw her. What did they appreciate about Mirabel -- maybe if there was a scene where Abuela hears the town talking about Mirabel ("she's an amazing accordion player!"... "She patched up my dress" -- Mirabel likes to sew, etc.)

I think that would have been great.