I Would Like to Know... (Who Here is Gay?)

[SpringHeelJack]

Wow. It's like you stop reading a thread for five pages, come back, and it dissolves into insanity. Huzzah, UD gays!

And Widdi, don't lie, you totally have a Snow White shirt. It's okay, we don't judge here.

[Widdi]

Wow. It's like you stop reading a thread for five pages, come back, and it dissolves into insanity. Huzzah, UD gays!

And Widdi, don't lie, you totally have a Snow White shirt. It's okay, we don't judge here.

Naw, no Snow White shirts. I've got a Princess Jasmine hoody and some Belle underwear, but definitely nothing with that screechy little witch on it.

[SpringHeelJack]

I've got... some Belle underwear, but definitely nothing with that screechy little witch on it.

OMG me too!

[JiminyCrick91]

How do boys have Belle underwear? Or IS it boy underwear?



Not judging just wondering.


-Sky

[SpringHeelJack]

NO JUDGING!!!

And there's only one way for you to find out what kind of underwear it is.

[universALLove]

Let's see it

[Isidour]

Well...it could exist a Belle underwear, I remember I had a Beast underwear(but of course I was only 6...or 7 can't remember)
...
Considering that you're not that young, please tell me you're not anorexic...or that you use kiddies undies

And there's only one way for you to find out what kind of underwear it is.

Posting a picture of one alike found on internet?

[PrincePhillipFan]

Wow, I'm away from the net for like two days and I see I missed out more discussion and now Belle underwear.

I'm so sorry to hear though how your mom reacted to your excitement for LM3, Vermin Friends. I found it to be harsh and almost cruel how she could react like that. I really hope though that when you decide to tell your other friends and family they'll be more supportive of it. Unfortunately, I was outed and wasn't really prepared to tell my parents when it happened, so for me it kind of caused a little drama.

I think though perhaps you should wait to tell others when you feel the most comfortable about letting them know. It's always best to be ready when you feel it's the right time to tell them, and you're prepared for all the ways of how they might react.

Aw, Tim! That guy was being an ass! Make that a dumbass. Talk about ignoring information that proved him wrong. And yes, I usually don't call people bad names but hey, you're my friend.

Thanks for the defense, Mike. I guess regardless of what kind of group you might be a part of, there's always going to be a very militant person somewhere. Like lord-of-sith said about himself, I probably don't help stray away from the stereotype since I'm naturally flamboyant sometimes and I do participate in a lot of theatre and music activities. But I felt he went way out of line to criticize me since I was just being myself and that's who I am, and it still hurts me and almost ashamed of myself sometimes when I think about it.

[Disney Duster]

Thanks for that video, carolinakid. I liked that song and singer!

Escapay...of course it's a speech impediment, but one that seems to happen to more gay boys. So yep, your sexuality does have something to do with it. You really think your teeth and tongue were what made it happen? Did any speech or medical professional say that was the case? And you totally ignored the biology and science that proves pansexuality ain't the case for anyone. We're biologically gay or straight or bisexual. Smells and other parts of a certain sex are what we react to, and yes a bisexual person would just react to both, I guess (I hardly believe people stay bisexual forever, I believe we're really only born gay or straight, but I already know how you feel on that). If we go around saying it's a choice, why not choose to be good Catholic straighties?

Gotcha, lord-of-sith. I also looked at your UD's Got Talent video, and to be honest I wouldn't think you were gay when you acted, but when you sang I might. If you want to get specific, I know a particular instance was when your hands were on your desk and you like curved your body with your head, when you lowered your head. Can't explain more than that, sorry that's not really a good description. But I thought the guy next to you was gay when he acted, and less so when he sang. You both sang great, though. Boy, can you sing!

So Widdi, I owe you an apology. Poody was the one I saw. But anyway, I wasn't saying everyone who is gay is so obviously so in every single way, but there are little things that tell people who notice that you are gay, for everyone, unless maybe you militantly try to stop it or your family does or something.

Aw, Tim stop feeling ashamed.

[Ting Ting]

And there's only one way for you to find out what kind of underwear it is.

[Escapay]

Mike, I'm pretty much done with the thread (it's all out there on how I feel about sexuality, whether people like it or not, so there's not much left I can contribute), but just had to finish up the lisp conversation because I need you to understand this.

Escapay...of course it's a speech impediment, but one that seems to happen to more gay boys.

Only because they want to make it more obvious than others, and half of them don't have it naturally.

Ever meet a natural lisper who hated the fact that they had (or still have) a lisp? Yeah, that's probably about half of us, and we're a varied bunch.

So yep, your sexuality does have something to do with it.

No, it doesn't. The way the child's baby teeth form and how the tongue adapts to it has something to do with it. Just like how some kids get braces and some don't based on how their permanent teeth come out.

You really think your teeth and tongue were what made it happen?

Given the fact that I was diagnosed with "interdental lisping" ("inter-" meaning between and "dental" meaning "teeth"), it seems quite obvious.

Did any speech or medical professional say that was the case?

Yes, hence my taking speech classes in elementary school.

Having a lisp is no picnic and became quite an annoyance once I realized I had it. Why you keep going on about how it's a sexuality thing when you don't have one (as far as I know) is totally beyond me. If it's part of your wishful thinking that secretly all guys are gay, please, just drop it now because that's certainly not the case.

And you totally ignored the biology and science that proves pansexuality ain't the case for anyone.

IMO, Biology and Science is just as much a belief system as Religion. While there are some elements I can agree with, in the end, it's just as much a faith as Christianity or Animism or anything else.

Yes, Science can tell us that the sky is blue, or that we are warm-blooded mammals, or that our DNA is a genetic blueprint of how we are. And yes, perhaps Science can explain a biological reason for why some people acquire lisps and some don't (but also remember it's a language thing. As I said earlier, some dialects of Spanish use the lisp on certain "s" words).

But that takes all the fun and mystery out of life. I can acknowledge that there's a lot of "evidence" to support much of what Biology and Science says about life, the universe, and everything. I can acknowledge that it's generally regarded as a subject that's worth knowing about (otherwise I probably never would have graduated high school). I simply don't have to believe it. A tree is a tree regardless if science says it grows because of sun, water, and healthy dirt, or if religion says it's a tree because God made it a tree.

It's the idealist and the spiritualist in me that allows me to believe what I believe without having to resort to hard science or strict religious guidelines.

Albert

[lord-of-sith]

Gotcha, lord-of-sith. I also looked at your UD's Got Talent video, and to be honest I wouldn't think you were gay when you acted, but when you sang I might. If you want to get specific, I know a particular instance was when your hands were on your desk and you like curved your body with your head, when you lowered your head. Can't explain more than that, sorry that's not really a good description. But I thought the guy next to you was gay when he acted, and less so when he sang. You both sang great, though. Boy, can you sing!

*blushes* Thank you! I can understand what you mean in reference to body movements and such. I just love musical theatre, no matter how stereotypical it may be.

[PrincePhillipFan]

Aw, Tim stop feeling ashamed.

I'll try to. Sorry if it sounds like I'm whining about it, but sometimes I have a problem of letting what others say really get to me and it just always lingers.

*blushes* Thank you! I can understand what you mean in reference to body movements and such. I just love musical theatre, no matter how stereotypical it may be.

I agree with Mike and think that you have great potential talent in a lot of acting, sith. I love participating in musical theatre myself, especially back in my high school, and acting and singing in general. I hope to get into theatre or voice acting and script writing myself one day. I personally think what's important is that you just do what you love best and want to be, rather than worrying about what others might think.

[lord-of-sith]

I agree with Mike and think that you have great potential talent in a lot of acting, sith. I love participating in musical theatre myself, especially back in my high school, and acting and singing in general. I hope to get into theatre or voice acting and script writing myself one day. I personally think what's important is that you just do what you love best and want to be, rather than worrying about what others might think.

Thank you so much! I'd also love to get into some sort of theatre or some sort of performing one day, it's my biggest dream. I just love it! Do you have anything of you singing? I'd love to hear it!

[Disney Villain]

I’ve been reading this thread for years, and really never got around to posting in it. I’m not going to go into my sexuality. I have nothing against gay people. I have something to share that has always affected me.

When I was two years old my father passed away. I was basically raised by my mother and grandmother. I’ve had a wonderful life and I feel very fortunate to be blessed with such a great family. I guess because I was raised by mainly females I’m not your stereotypical straight 18 year old boy. Based on my mannerisms and interests people assume I’m gay. That has always truly bothered me. I also have a slight (very slight) lisp with a few letters. I’m also very peppy and outspoken. Because of this wherever I go people assume I’m gay. That truly hurts because I am straight. I agree with Escapay you can’t help they way you’re voice sounds if your truly born that way. You shouldn’t classify people as gay or straight just because of the way they act or sound. I’ve also gotten a lot of stress throughout my life for my love of Disney. That doesn’t help the way people perceive me. So what? I’m a 19 year old who has Ariel’s Beginning, Enchanted Tales, and Cinderella III posters on my bedroom walls—why do people assume that makes me gay. I have a passion for Disney and their precious works of art- their beloved characters and the joy Disney brings to my life. But yet when I whip out my autograph book in Disney World people think I’m gay. I apologize for venting, but this is something that truly bothers me. There are certain people who don’t speak to me. When I make new friends they question my sexuality. Just because I’m not your stereotypical 19 year old boy, does not mean I’m gay. My own family questions me, and sometimes that makes me so upset I could cry. Looking at my trip pictures my uncles raise an eyebrow, my aunt told me “I can’t believe your excited for Ariel’s Beginning. It’s for 6 year old girls”. I just bite my tongue and walk away. I’m finished ranting now. This was just something I wanted to get off my chest.

[Isidour]

Big hug Disney Villian, I know what you mean.
Same thing happened to me when Bambi and it's sequel came out; As far as I have seen people tend to misjudge the term "disney fan" for "gay" and that's is sometimes really annoying.

I mean, any guy with a Bambi shirt would look like gay BUT it DOESN'T MEAN he is!...Using that reasoning any politician WOULD be a decent person or Gates a pathetic looser(who with millions and millions of dollars would have a cheapest-barber-in-town haircut?!

What can I say to you of being raised by mostly women you as man get to...well, not really understand them but at least to be a better man, take it from me! (also if you have the luck I've had, all of your girlfriend's parents will think good of you )

[Disney Villain]

Big hug Disney Villian, I know what you mean.
Same thing happened to me when Bambi and it's sequel came out; As far as I have seen people tend to misjudge the term "disney fan" for "gay" and that's is sometimes really annoying.

I mean, any guy with a Bambi shirt would look like gay BUT it DOESN'T MEAN he is!...Using that reasoning any politician WOULD be a decent person or Gates a pathetic looser(who with millions and millions of dollars would have a cheapest-barber-in-town haircut?!

What can I say to you of being raised by mostly women you as man get to...well, not really understand them but at least to be a better man, take it from me! (also if you have the luck I've had, all of your girlfriend's parents will think good of you )

Thank you so much for the hug and kind words, I truly appreciate it. I hate how people associate Disney with being gay. I like your politician logic. It's true about being raised by woman. You're right all my girlfriends parents loved me. I'm known as the responsible, respectful one. They never mistrusted me. I never said being raised by woman was a bad thing, lol

[pap64]

I understand your frustration, Disney Villain.

While my father is alive and was around all my life the one that raised me the most was my mother. She everything from making sure I had everything I need for a normal life to giving me life advice I would use forever. That alone made me different from the typical male.

I am straight, a virgin and currently single. To some this is a shocking fact because many men my age are already married with multiple children. I've also yet to feel the urge to "hit that" like many other males (my friends included) do. This alone is enough for people to think I am gay, or at the very least, I have social issues.

The truth is that I've come to respect women as the living beings that they are, not as the big prize you must pursue in life. I decided to wait till destiny arranges our meeting and avoid the mistakes many couples do (like marrying too early in the relationship, or a relationship based on just sex). In the meantime I am happy being single.

There has only been one time where my sexuality was questioned. A few years ago I was in New Hampshire. It was my birthday so we decided to celebrate it by going to the beach and having dinner. Before we did that we had to get some light groceries at the story. While my best friend was guiding the cart I was casually talking to him. I then decided to rest my hand on the cart, not knowing that my hand was close to his hand, making it look like I was about to hold his hand. My friend notices this and freaks out. He says "Wanna drive the cart? Here take it!" and gives me the weirdest look ever. Then storms off.

I felt really weird and didn't understand it one bit. Then at the checkout I asked him what happened and he said "Your hand was close to mine and it looked GAY!".

That was the first time ever someone dared to suggest I was gay, or had homosexual tendencies. It hurt a lot, especially since it came from my best friend. Of course I didn't say anything because I was afraid of spoiling the mood. But later in the evening I told him about it and apologized. Later on, he came back and apologized again, this time it was heartfelt. He really felt bad that he reacted that away and confessed that his paranoia took over and clouded his judgment.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons he got paranoid was because I am more loose around him than with the other friends. In other words, I hug him, talk to him about a lot of personal issues, spend a good time together just hanging out and even seen him without his pants on .

In all honesty, I tend to be very shy and modest around people. Even in my circle of friends I treat them carefully, never hugging them but politely shaking their hands and such. That one friend, though, changed that. The very first time I flew to the US he greeted me with a big smile and a big bear hug. I knew that would have a very different kind of trust with him. So much, in fact, that he's the only friend I've ever said "I love you" to.

This alone is enough for people to think that I might be gay, and it bugs me. Mainly because society has warped friendship to the point where if two men show deep appreciation for each other its GAY!

But going back to DV, being raised by women have its advantages. Like I already said, you will likely come to respect women better than most males.

I have the feeling that if you do get married you'll make that special someone very happy because you have learned through your relationship with your mother that woman are actually beings with a heart and soul and should be treated as such.

[Escapay]

I agree with Escapay you can’t help they way you’re voice sounds if your truly born that way. You shouldn’t classify people as gay or straight just because of the way they act or sound.

THANK YOU Disney Villain! I think in this whole thread (well, the past couple pages), you and couple others are the only ones who actually get that.

And glad to hear I'm not the only lisper at UD! Even though it hasn't been a major issue for me since I was a kid, I still slip every now and then (and usually when I'm talking fast and excitedly about something that I can't say many words properly, lisp or not!).

I’ve also gotten a lot of stress throughout my life for my love of Disney. That doesn’t help the way people perceive me. So what?

I feel for you, man. Had to endure pretty much the same thing with my love of soap operas. Some people can be so thick.

But yet when I whip out my autograph book in Disney World people think I’m gay.

Maybe it had nothing to do with being perceived as gay, maybe it's because people rarely see teenagers standing eagerly in line for an autograph (at least in my experience). And 19 is slightly older than the average WDW autograph hound.

I didn't do much autograph hunting when I was in the CP programs, as it's easier for me to just ask them backstage during a lunch break. Even then, I rarely asked for autographs because the whole "I know who you are when you're not in costume" thing ruined it for me (although I do regret never getting Southern Belle's autograph...or even contact info now that I think about it. Alas, all that's left are memories and the "Cinderellabration" soundtrack...). Of course, of the few and far between autographs I do have, the only one that I'm really glad I have is Tinker Bell's since it's both hard to find and because she doodled a fair amount of pixie dust on the page. I'll have to take a picture of it one of these days, along with the next page, where a friend of mine wrote "You got Tinker Bell to sign your freakin' book. That is so not fair."

There are certain people who don’t speak to me.

Their loss, you're an awesome person based on your posts alone!

When I make new friends they question my sexuality.

Just tell them you're "sexual" and leave it at that. It's more fun that way, and keeps both sexes on their toes guessing and wondering whether or not they're allowed to hit on you.

Albert

[Disney Villain]

THANK YOU Disney Villain! I think in this whole thread (well, the past couple pages), you and couple others are the only ones who actually get that.
And glad to hear I'm not the only lisper at UD! Even though it hasn't been a major issue for me since I was a kid, I still slip every now and then (and usually when I'm talking fast and excitedly about something that I can't say many words properly, lisp or not!).

You’re very welcome! In fact the only reason I decided to share my story was because of your recent posts in this thread. I wanted to help prove your point. I hate being stereotyped because of my lisp. It’s not right for people to judge. I really can’t help the way I was born.

lol, well you met another lisper. I’m glad to hear yours in under control for the most part. I just can’t help it whenever I say certain words or use certain. I try to cover it up though because I’m embarrassed (and I know what you mean about slipping whenever you talk fast).

I feel for you, man. Had to endure pretty much the same thing with my love of soap operas. Some people can be so thick.

It amazes me how thick people can be. Well Disney makes me happy, and if I sing along to The Disney Princess Tea Party album than tough. I know what you mean about soap operas. Up until a few years ago I was a Days Of Our Lives & Passions fanatic. I had always watched the shows with my grandmother and a few years back during Days “Salem Serial Killer” plotline I was hooked. I got even more eye rolls back then, lol.

Maybe it had nothing to do with being perceived as gay, maybe it's because people rarely see teenagers standing eagerly in line for an autograph (at least in my experience). And 19 is slightly older than the average WDW autograph hound.

I didn't do much autograph hunting when I was in the CP programs, as it's easier for me to just ask them backstage during a lunch break. Even then, I rarely asked for autographs because the whole "I know who you are when you're not in costume" thing ruined it for me (although I do regret never getting Southern Belle's autograph...or even contact info now that I think about it. Alas, all that's left are memories and the "Cinderellabration" soundtrack...). Of course, of the few and far between autographs I do have, the only one that I'm really glad I have is Tinker Bell's since it's both hard to find and because she doodled a fair amount of pixie dust on the page. I'll have to take a picture of it one of these days, along with the next page, where a friend of mine wrote "You got Tinker Bell to sign your freakin' book. That is so not fair."

Ok I’ll admit that was probably a big reason for some of the stares I got. I’m a little to obsessed with WDW, I really am and it’s not healthy, lol. Yea, knowing the characters friends would put a damper on the whole autograph thing. I always tried to get pictures/autographs with the “Cinderellabration” girls, but never knew when or even if they did meet and greets. Those girls were beautiful; I had a big crush on the actress playing Aurora (We went to the parks a lot during that time). You’re very lucky to have gotten Tinker bell’s autograph. If you ever do scan it I’d love to see it!

Their loss, you're an awesome person based on your posts alone!

Thank you! I truly appreciate the compliment- you really made my day (and it is my Birthday!). I always enjoyed reading your posts and consider you an asset to UD. You always bring something more to the threads and you’re a true friend to everyone. Thank you!

Just tell them you're "sexual" and leave it at that. It's more fun that way, and keeps both sexes on their toes guessing and wondering whether or not they're allowed to hit on you.

Ah, that is smart. I’ll get them thinking, lol. Thanks for that.

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But going back to DV, being raised by women have its advantages. Like I already said, you will likely come to respect women better than most males.

I have the feeling that if you do get married you'll make that special someone very happy because you have learned through your relationship with your mother that woman are actually beings with a heart and soul and should be treated as such.

Thank you. I know that I have a deeper respect and admiration for woman than most guys my age. I appreciate your kind words! Regarding your story- today’s society has gotten so corrupted and warped if you stray from the norm, even a little, you open yourself for personal attacks.