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Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:20 pm**

King Magnifico having a secret lab with a dark spell-book is giving me Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs vibes. Maybe the reference is intentional.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:53 pm**

Musical Master wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:20 pm King Magnifico having a secret lab with a dark spell-book is giving me Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs vibes. Maybe the reference is intentional.

I thought the same thing. He has a cape, too, so maybe we will get a recreation of the famous animation descending the staircase.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:51 pm**

Per Cryptic HD Quality, the new trailer is ready and coming soon and he is claiming that the final runtime of the movie (without Once Upon A Studio) is 1 hour and 27 minutes, though some wonder in the comments of the tweet if that’s really the runtime without the end credits: https://x.com/cryptic4kqual/status/1699 ... 92040?s=46.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:12 pm**

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:34 pm We haven't seen that dress Lego Asha is wearing already, have we? And Lego Magnifico has brown hair?

I think it's the same purple dress; it just looks a bit different in Lego form. As for Magnifico's hair, perhaps it looks a little brownish here, but I'd say it's still more grey than brown.

carolinakid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:47 pm I don’t think any princess or Disney heroine worked harder than Snow White or Cinderella as abused scullery maids.
I couldn’t have done it.... certainly not as cheerily and with such kindness and good will.
Aurora is also shown doing housework (dusting and sweeping) and food gathering (berry picking), although under much happier circumstances living with her 3 beloved aunts.
Did any Disney Princess really sit around doing nothing but look beautiful ? I don’t think so...
Maybe one could argue Ariel or Jasmine... but even then, I’m not certain...

You're right about Snow White and Cinderella. I thought of mentioning them too, but wasn't sure if they counted as regular jobs since they don't get a salary, etc. Anyway, it wasn't my intention to criticize the Disney princesses for that or say they're lazy. I think most Disney protagonists don't have jobs simply because it's easier for them storywise to embark on an adventure if they don't have that kind of restriction. Also, some of them are kids or animals and others still quite young.

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:40 am Btw how curious that the ones with real normal jobs (Cinderella was basically a slave) are black, I'm not against that since I like them having jobs but seems like it's not a coincidence

Yes, it's curious.

Musical Master wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:20 pm King Magnifico having a secret lab with a dark spell-book is giving me Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs vibes. Maybe the reference is intentional.

I bet it is. And I wouldn't be surprised if they included that reference you mentioned, UmbrellaFish. I think there'll probably also be some nod to Aladdin in the marketplace scenes.

Posted: **Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:45 pm**

Scoring on the music of Wish is now 2 days in: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw1ksOzLi3v ... BiNWFlZA==.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 1:45 am**

D82 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:12 pm
Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:40 amBtw how curious that the ones with real normal jobs (Cinderella was basically a slave) are black, I'm not against that since I like them having jobs but seems like it's not a coincidence.
Yes, it's curious.

It's not curious, if you think about it. The two Black princesses were created very recently and them having jobs was a clear response to feminist critiques that Disney heroines have no career goals and only want to get married.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:36 am**

There's a fine line between a casual reference and fan service, and so far Wish seems to fall more towards the latter. I get it, it's a celebration of Disney animation, but to me the way to celebrate the legacy is through themes, characters, music, not by how many allusions to prior works they can cram into the movie and then be super obvious about them. I mean, Belle makes a cameo in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", but no press release for THOND was like, "Both BatB and THOND are set in France, so to celebrate that we've put Belle in the movie." It was a short appearance that only eagle-eyed fans would notice. The whole Teens thing (apart from the stupid name) being inspired by the Dwarfs, it's kind of sad and desperate to me. I also feel they won't add much if anything to the movie -- too many underdeveloped supporting characters take away from the main character and their journey and can inadvertently turn the whole story into a series of episodic adventures (see also Meet the Robinsons, Encanto, Raya, Strange World). It's perfectly fine to have a cast of only 7 to 8 characters, including sidekicks. If my count is correct, Wish has like 15.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:36 am**

I completely agree. I'm afraid that in the end this movie isn't going to stand on its own.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:45 am**

Snow White had 12 characters ( including the Slave in the Magic Mirror but not counting the forest creatures) but every single one played an important role in the story.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:10 am**

Farerb wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:36 am I completely agree. I'm afraid that in the end this movie isn't going to stand on its own.

You lack faith in the ability to be surprised.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:35 am**

@Mooky

I am in perfect agreement with you Mooky. However, I am trying to stay optimistic, and truly hope that beneath the surface there is a good, maybe even great film that will not actually need those "allusions" to find its voice. (In the end, I trust they are merely decoration - as superficial as that seems.)

I will admit I have lost some of my faith in WDAS recently. Not in their ability to create a good film - I have no doubt they can easily push out a competent film without problems. However, I am not expecting greatness out of the studio for now. They seem to have hit a rough patch.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:56 am**

Jules wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:35 am @Mooky

I am in perfect agreement with you Mooky. However, I am trying to stay optimistic, and truly hope that beneath the surface there is a good, maybe even great film that will not actually need those "allusions" to find its voice. (In the end, I trust they are merely decoration - as superficial as that seems.)

I will admit I have lost some of my faith in WDAS recently. Not in their ability to create a good film - I have no doubt they can easily push out a competent film without problems. However, I am not expecting greatness out of the studio for now. They seem to have hit a rough patch.

Does any animation studio ever not hit a rough patch? Honestly.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:58 am**

Got more from Fawn Verasunthorn and Peter Del Vecho on Wish with Canada's Breakfast Television: https://www.breakfasttelevision.ca/vide ... film-wish/.

Posted: **Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:48 pm**

More book covers:

Source: https://www.amazon.fr/WISH-ASHA-BONNE-% ... ref=sr_1_5

Source: https://www.amazon.fr/WISH-ASHA-BONNE-% ... ef=sr_1_35

Source: https://www.amazon.it/Disney-Wish-Roman ... ef=sr_1_36

Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 1:45 am It's not curious, if you think about it. The two Black princesses were created very recently and them having jobs was a clear response to feminist critiques that Disney heroines have no career goals and only want to get married.

Well, I meant it's curious both are Black, but yes, there's a bigger focus on diversity nowadays, and like you said, female characters are now given other interests besides romance, so there's a higher chance for both things to coincide.

Mooky wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:36 am There's a fine line between a casual reference and fan service, and so far Wish seems to fall more towards the latter. I get it, it's a celebration of Disney animation, but to me the way to celebrate the legacy is through themes, characters, music, not by how many allusions to prior works they can cram into the movie and then be super obvious about them. I mean, Belle makes a cameo in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", but no press release for THOND was like, "Both BatB and THOND are set in France, so to celebrate that we've put Belle in the movie." It was a short appearance that only eagle-eyed fans would notice. The whole Teens thing (apart from the stupid name) being inspired by the Dwarfs, it's kind of sad and desperate to me. I also feel they won't add much if anything to the movie -- too many underdeveloped supporting characters take away from the main character and their journey and can inadvertently turn the whole story into a series of episodic adventures (see also Meet the Robinsons, Encanto, Raya, Strange World). It's perfectly fine to have a cast of only 7 to 8 characters, including sidekicks. If my count is correct, Wish has like 15.

Personally, I'm not worried about the number of characters, but the references thing does sound worrisome to me too. Well, I agree with Jules that the movie can still be good in spite of them if they really have a good and solid story. Enchanted, for example, shows that it can be done, in my opinion. But sometimes when they focus too much on these things, the story and characters suffer as a result. We'll see. I hope they managed to make a good film that has its own identity and doesn't feel like a mix of recycled elements.

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:29 pm**

What time do you think the trailer releases tomorrow?

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:35 pm**

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:29 pm What time do you think the trailer releases tomorrow?

Sunday, actually, since the Walt Disney Studios presentation is that day.

Honestly, I don’t even know if we’ll get the trailer this weekend/Sunday.

I feel we may be waiting til mid-September

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:43 pm**

D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:35 pm
Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:29 pm What time do you think the trailer releases tomorrow?
Sunday, actually, since the Walt Disney Studios presentation is that day.

Honestly, I don’t even know if we’ll get the trailer this weekend/Sunday.

I feel we may be waiting til mid-September

They promised trailers in plural, and Wish is the one movie that needs a trailer since The Marvels has had 2 trailers and a special look recently

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:57 pm**

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:43 pm
D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:35 pm

Sunday, actually, since the Walt Disney Studios presentation is that day.

Honestly, I don’t even know if we’ll get the trailer this weekend/Sunday.

I feel we may be waiting til mid-September
They promised trailers in plural, and Wish is the one movie that needs a trailer since The Marvels has had 2 trailers and a special look recently

Who’s they and when did they promise? I don’t remember ever reading that. All I read is that people in attendance would see exclusive stuff. I think you’re making assumptions based off that description, when they could all go horribly wrong. I hope the trailer drops on Sunday, but, I’m cautious on if it might happen or not.

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:40 pm**

Well, only 75 days out from the release of Wish.

Never thought I’d say this, but we have to call on Disney to meet with SAG-AFTRA and ask them to allow them to have an interim agreement for the stars to promote Wish so that film’s marketing campaign is proper and so the film’s chances of being a hit aren’t lost.

The only way I feel that may be possible is something I never thought would work but might be my last resort… launching a petition on change.off to call on Disney and SAG to secure an interim agreement to allow Wish to be promoted by its cast.

Never thought I’d have to get that to happen by doing it through the one thing I think doesn’t amount to anything: an online petition.

Oh well. I’m calling shotgun on leading the charge to get it spearheaded.

Anyone wanna join, I’ll be waiting for a heads up.

Posted: **Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:48 pm**

The Saturday panels of Destination D23 will be livestreamed, but they're mostly about the parks. Too bad the Sunday ones aren't, though I totally understand why since people in attendance pay to see the exclusive content.

By the way, here's a Disney Parks backpack from eBay:

Source: https://twitter.com/CinemaTimeNews/stat ... 2506064139

And the other day I forgot to say that there seems to be a (not so) hidden Mickey on the "smiley-face cake" (as it's called in the toy description) Asha and her family are eating in one of the Lego sets. I guess it's yet another Disney reference.

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