The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part III

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:45 pm

Looks like TPatF has made another $3 million yesterday, if not a little more.

By the way, PatrickvD, I love your banner and how it has Bolt and Louis, two of my most favorite recent Disney characters on it!

Though I'm probably spitball guessing, but is that girl in your banner Rapunzel?

magicalwands · Post by **magicalwands** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:05 pm

Even though Newman's lyrics are not as poetic as Menken's, I doubt Menken could have given Princess and the Frog the jazz extravaganza Newman gave the film. I keep wondering if Disney could have put Menken for lyrics and Newman for melody. (Like Dino Spamoni and his best friend in Hey Arnold

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PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:11 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:Looks like TPatF has made another $3 million yesterday, if not a little more.

By the way, PatrickvD, I love your banner and how it has Bolt and Louis, two of my most favorite recent Disney characters on it! Though I'm probably spitball guessing, but is that girl in your banner Rapunzel?

yes, but I see you noticed the image in the Rapunzel thread already

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:27 pm

magicalwands wrote:Even though Newman's lyrics are not as poetic as Menken's, I doubt Menken could have given Princess and the Frog the jazz extravaganza Newman gave the film. I keep wondering if Disney could have put Menken for lyrics and Newman for melody. (Like Dino Spamoni and his best friend in Hey Arnold )

Well, Menken isn't really a lyricist. He's just the musician, so I think you mean people like Ashman (who's been dead for years) or Slater or at least one other guy whose name is escaping me at the moment.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:35 pm

Margos wrote:
magicalwands wrote:Even though Newman's lyrics are not as poetic as Menken's, I doubt Menken could have given Princess and the Frog the jazz extravaganza Newman gave the film. I keep wondering if Disney could have put Menken for lyrics and Newman for melody. (Like Dino Spamoni and his best friend in Hey Arnold )
Well, Menken isn't really a lyricist. He's just the musician, so I think you mean people like Ashman (who's been dead for years) or Slater or at least one other guy whose name is escaping me at the moment.

oh Menken would have brought the jazz like it's nobody's business. He gave Hercules some serious soul, so I have no doubt wether he could have pulled it off.

Fact remains it would have been more broadway. Which would have been fine. But I still think Princess & the Frog is fine the way it is with Newman's music.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:39 pm

I agree! I'm convinced that Menken can do almost any style! But, if it didn't have the songs we're now familiar with, it wouldn't be the TPatF we all know and love. So I'm glad it worked out. Definitely Newman's best work, so kudos to him!

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:34 pm

Margos wrote:Well, Menken isn't really a lyricist. He's just the musician, so I think you mean people like Ashman (who's been dead for years) or Slater or at least one other guy whose name is escaping me at the moment.

Animation

Stephen Schwartz? (Pocahontas, Hunchback, Enchanted)

David Zippel? (Hercules)

Tim Rice? (Aladdin)

Live-Action

Jack Feldman? (Newsies)

Lynn Ahrens? (A Christmas Carol)

It think you meant Schwartz, right?

Margos wrote:I agree! I'm convinced that Menken can do almost any style!

Delete the ''almost'' and I fully agree!

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:48 pm

Thanks, Sotiris! Yeah, I meant Schwartz and Zippel and Rice. It's why I said "at least one other guy." I don't know why I always forget the names of most of the lyricists he's partnered with. Maybe it's because he's always the star of the duo!

It's a shame, because THoND has some of my favorite music of all time, but I never remember Scwartz's name. I always remember Ashman, though, it's a shame he died, because he and Menken were such a great team. As for Slater... I can never remember what he actually did with Menken (as far as DACs and other Disney animation go), but his name sticks with me for some reason. I'm guessing just HoTR, since it's the only one he did the score for that you didn't list..... Right? Unless my mind has completely escaped me!

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:02 pm

Margos wrote:Maybe it's because he's always the star of the duo! !

So true!

Margos wrote:I'm guessing just HoTR, since it's the only one he did the score for that you didn't list..... Right? Unless my mind has completely escaped me!

You are right; he only did one film with Menken but collaborated with him on the stage (the Sister Act: The Musical and The Little Mermaid Broadway production).

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:06 pm

Oh, OK, I get it now! Thanks, Sotiris!

By the way... Who is he working with on Rapunzel and The Snow Queen, then?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:21 pm

Margos wrote:Oh, OK, I get it now! Thanks, Sotiris!

By the way... Who is he working with on Rapunzel and The Snow Queen, then?

You're welcome

Glenn Slater again for both. But since these movies have not been released and are subject to change I cannot list them as his work yet.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:38 pm

OK, that's cool! I can't wait to hear what they turn out for those! And maybe the fact that Newman did TPatF will have given them more time to concentrate on making Rapunzel the very best that they can!

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:06 pm

Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that Menken is working with Slater on both of them. I don't know where I read it, but I think I saw an interview where he actually said that Slater was the closest he ever had to a companion like Howard Ashman. I only have Home on the Range to go by, so he will have to really impressive me with Rapunzel and The Snow Queen for me to put him on Ashman's level.

Even Schwartz, who I think is Menken's best non-Ashman collaborator, is not on the same level of excellence with Ashman in my opinion.

But, as long as he doesn't collaborate with Feldman again, I will be pleased. I couldn't stand the lyrics in Newsies, which is a shame because Menken's melodies are very good in that film. Shame the lyrics are so generic and un-imaginative.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:26 pm

estefan wrote: But, as long as he doesn't collaborate with Feldman again, I will be pleased. I couldn't stand the lyrics in Newsies, which is a shame because Menken's melodies are very good in that film. Shame the lyrics are so generic and un-imaginative.

I liked the songs in Newsies.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:01 pm

Well, I liked the lyrics for the songs in "Home on the Range." So... hopefully Slater will do a good job.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:20 am

Margos wrote:Well, I liked the lyrics for the songs in "Home on the Range." So... hopefully Slater will do a good job.

The only song i like from Home on the Range is ''Will the Sun Ever Shine Again''. That song should have been nominated for an Oscar; it's that good. The rest of the songs, including the end credits ones, are pretty bad I'm afraid.

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:58 am

Showboat Jubilee to Keep Rolling on the River?
http://www.wdwnewstoday.com/archives/4836
(via disneyreport.com)

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:42 am

sotiris2006 wrote:
Margos wrote:Well, I liked the lyrics for the songs in "Home on the Range." So... hopefully Slater will do a good job.
The only song i like from Home on the Range is ''Will the Sun Ever Shine Again''. That song should have been nominated for an Oscar; it's that good. The rest of the songs, including the end credits ones, are pretty bad I'm afraid.

I don't know... "Home on the Range" and "Little Patch of Heaven" were good, and the villain's song was pretty fun. But, yeah, the end credit songs were pretty lame, IMO.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:42 am

sotiris2006 wrote:
Margos wrote:Well, I liked the lyrics for the songs in "Home on the Range." So... hopefully Slater will do a good job.
The only song i like from Home on the Range is ''Will the Sun Ever Shine Again''. That song should have been nominated for an Oscar; it's that good. The rest of the songs, including the end credits ones, are pretty bad I'm afraid.

I don't know... "Home on the Range" and "Little Patch of Heaven" were good, and the villain's song was pretty fun. But, yeah, the end credit songs were pretty lame, IMO.

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:45 am

A hilarious video just posted on The Princess and the Frog YouTube channel of an animator drawing Naveen with humourous results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTtPzeRjhLA

Reminds me of the Daffy Duck short "Duck Amuck."

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