The Little Mermaid III

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Isidour wrote:sadly,but hey, let be on their shoes:

. . .

way to go,mom...
I hate to admit it; your list had me laughing out loud, but only because it's true. . .

Yeah, let's prevent all conflict and thus any telling of a real story with emotions, conflicts, and characters that grow though the course of that story. Let's pretend that the bad guys always get what they deserve and that the good guys fight for the sake of winning, rather than for doing what's right.

Sigh. :roll:
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Hey, as someone said on this forum
"we can always dream"

n_n
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Isidour wrote:Hey, as someone said on this forum
"we can always dream"

n_n
:)
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Isidour wrote:hey, how about that Ursula loved NEptune, but he was inloved with the future Ariel´s mother and after she gives birth to Ariel Ursula enters in the scene and she kill her, making Neptune to hate her forever...
Are you confusing Neptune with King Triton???
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Isidour wrote:sadly,but hey, let be on their shoes:

"The children must not see sexual themes anywhere, they´ll have enough time to find out when they get married"

"Real problems on animated stuff? no way, the animation world it´s always magic, let´s prevent of knowing this problems"

"A swedden knife(or those kind of things that have many stuff in it) on a movie? please no! they are not old enough to see this killing weapons!"

"Let´s better see the power rangers, they have no weapons and evil always lose"
-but hey, they have guns and swords and stuff
"but not real ones,like on the animated movies"

"My son/daughter must never know about the real problems of life and stuff, he will know at the right time, and I´ll show him/her how to deal with them:Ignore it and hide it from others"

way to go,mom...
I don't think that the story idea mentioned above would contain sexual themes...

And when would a knife be involved???
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I'll have to rent all three Little Mermaid movies because I want to see them. :) Under the Sea!

I like Flounder and Ariel.

I wonder if Mermaid Kelly has both movies on VHS. ;)

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Sailor Eric wrote:I don't think that the story idea mentioned above would contain sexual themes...

And when would a knife be involved???
I think Isidour is just giving hypothetical examples. . .

However, I do believe the orginal TLM had an underlying sexual theme. Thank goodness it flies over the heads of the soccer moms! :wink:
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on the sexual themes stuff, I meant to make refeence to The Hunchback of Notre Dame(talking about Frollo)

on the knife part, the changed scene of "Lilo & Stich" when the ax,the sciccors and al that stuff inside the swedden thing were changed for toothpaste and other

You know, if we could link the soccer moms with a Disney character it would be Frollo.
Think about it "He saw evil evrerywhere, except with in".

Did you saw the SEX word on the Lion King?
Or did you think that toons must not die?
adult themes for kids(non sexual,of course)on their movies being forbidden?
does the scene of Lilo and -Stich make you want to have one of those swedden things and trow them?

please, just on the mind of a soccer mom this ideas could be possible
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Isidour wrote:on the sexual themes stuff, I meant to make refeence to The Hunchback of Notre Dame(talking about Frollo)
Oh yeah, even though it was handled in a very subtle manner and that it would probably go over children's heads, there was definitely a sexual theme involved that made a lot of soccer moms very uncomfortable.
on the knife part, the changed scene of "Lilo & Stich" when the ax,the sciccors and al that stuff inside the swedden thing were changed for toothpaste and other
We'll get to see this for ourselves when the special edition gets released.
You know, if we could link the soccer moms with a Disney character it would be Frollo. Think about it "He saw evil evrerywhere, except with in".
You know, the biggest critics our there are the self-righteous and hypocritical ones. Frollo's a good representation of that.

No, I didn't see the word SEX in Lion King, nor did I see an erection from the priest in Little Mermaid, nor did I hear Aladdin say, "Teenagers, take off your clothes." People obviously need something better to do that pick apart Disney movies, don't you think?
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Here's another plot for The Little Mermaid III:

It could take part after the second movie, but all of the heroes would have the same age as in the second movie, not older.

King Triton has a son, but very few know about it. His name is Apollo and he was taken away from the kingdom at the age of 3, because he was the only male-heir to the throne and Triton wanted to protect him from Ursula. He would grow up with nannies in a far away kingdom.(here we could settle everything about Ariel's past including her mom, as a flash back). Apollo returns to Atlantica to be king because Triton eants to retire. This fact Brings Ariel, Eric and Melody to Atlantica(as merpeople of course).
There is also Marilyn, Ursula's beautiful and kind daughter, and Octavius, her revengeful brother who wants...GUESS!!! to take over Atlantica! :D
Marilyn will meet Apollo by luck and they will fall in love, but Octavius will use his sister to get what he wants.After that Apollo'll feel betrayed, but Ariel will explain everything to him, and all together, they will have to save Atlantica from Octavius...

Now I KNOW what you're going to say(isn't it Lion King II plot? etc.etc.) :oops:
It's just an idea I'm trying to improve... :)
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nedak wrote:Here's another plot for The Little Mermaid III:

It could take part after the second movie, but all of the heroes would have the same age as in the second movie, not older.

King Triton has a son, but very few know about it. His name is Apollo and he was taken away from the kingdom at the age of 3, because he was the only male-heir to the throne and Triton wanted to protect him from Ursula. He would grow up with nannies in a far away kingdom.(here we could settle everything about Ariel's past including her mom, as a flash back). Apollo returns to Atlantica to be king because Triton eants to retire. This fact Brings Ariel, Eric and Melody to Atlantica(as merpeople of course).
There is also Marilyn, Ursula's beautiful and kind daughter, and Octavius, her revengeful brother who wants...GUESS!!! to take over Atlantica! :D
Marilyn will meet Apollo by luck and they will fall in love, but Octavius will use his sister to get what he wants.After that Apollo'll feel betrayed, but Ariel will explain everything to him, and all together, they will have to save Atlantica from Octavius...

Now I KNOW what you're going to say(isn't it Lion King II plot? etc.etc.) :oops:
It's just an idea I'm trying to improve... :)
Why would Apollo fall in love with Marylin or vice versa??? He's a merman and she an octupus-maid!!!
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very good question, but hey, love it´s blind. n_n
And also it could be as a "hidden message" in pro of relations(as friends,love or more) between different races

and I agree with Sunset Girl
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There are an excellent Little Mermaid comic. I have it somewhere. From what I remember of the story, Ariel ended up in a labyrinth somehow. I think she had to prove herself to some other race of mer-creatures. And in this maze, it was like the Minatour. It was this huge sea monster. Well she was able to somehow kill the sea monster and it's skeleton was bought by Ursula who made it into her home. Been so long since I dug it out, I forget all the details. But it was a fun story.

The sexual themes in Hunchback were really subtle for kids. This is how I feel...If you kids knows Frollo wanted to have long hot sex with Esmerelda, who's fault is that? Really? Is it really Disney's fault that your kids know what sex is? Not really. They were subtle. Like Shrek's "compensating for something" line. If your 7 year old thinks Frollo wants to have sex with Esmerelda, then it isn't Disney's fault. No entertainment of any kind should take responsibility for other people's kids. IMO, Hunchback should have been rated PG, but Disney didn't rate it. Blame that on the ratings board that has NOTHING to do with Disney or any other company. They are unbiased. Companies should take no responsibility for how kids think. That is up to the parent. My daughter wanted to see Van Helsing. I went first with my friends. Saw it. I said it was okay for her to see and then took her the next weekend. That's what parents should do. I mean, come on, it's Hunchback of Notre Dame, even if it was Disney-ized, it isn't totally safe for all kids. My daughter saw it when she was 4, no problems. She knows that Frollo loves Esmerelda, but it is a "bad love because he is a bad man", as she puts it, ever so lightly.
I remember all the crap about Esmerelda in the fire and she was naked....In what way? It was the form of a woman in the fire. I didn't see nipples and I didn't see a vagina. I saw the shape of a woman in the flames.

And I saw SFX in Lion King
I saw that the priest's KNEE was showing through the robes

The only time there was a deliberate attempt at anything pornographic was the image of a nude woman in The Rescuers, which Disney didn't do. That happened somewhere else in some other way. Because the earlier prints of the movie don't show these images.
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Isidour wrote:sadly,but hey, let be on their shoes:

"The children must not see sexual themes anywhere, they´ll have enough time to find out when they get married" Quite true, actually.

"Real problems on animated stuff? no way, the animation world it´s always magic, let´s prevent of knowing this problems" Well, a child's imagination is a good thing and I guess the mothers want the animation to reflect what their child is dreaming? :?

"A swedden knife(or those kind of things that have many stuff in it) on a movie? please no! they are not old enough to see this killing weapons!" Sadly, if Junior accidentally walks in on Dad watching reruns of "NYPD Blue" then what's the point? I guess that's the same as the first thingy except it's Junior running in on Mom's "Desperate Housewives."

"Let´s better see the power rangers, they have no weapons and evil always lose"
-but hey, they have guns and swords and stuff
"but not real ones,like on the animated movies" :roll: Whatever, Mom.

"My son/daughter must never know about the real problems of life and stuff, he will know at the right time, and I´ll show him/her how to deal with them:Ignore it and hide it from others" How will they learn about it if you keep on sheltering them?

way to go,mom...
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Well done, Siren n_n
That´s what most of the parents should do. Bbefore talking, watch the movie but with another person, so they can discuse why or why not should their children watch it

Chaychay, I didn´t get quite good your message, but I´m just mking an example of what would a soccer mom would say but I don´t agree with them
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I remember seeing Jurassic Park for the first time. And this woman stood up during the scene where the t-rex trapped the kids in the Jeep. And she yells out loudly, "This movie isn't for children!", and she has a 7 and 10 year old and had them by the hand and literally had to drag them out, they wanted to stay! LOL

And before she left, one of my friends yelled out, "That's why it's rated PG-13 you idiot!"

:lol: The ignorance of people amazes me sometimes. They ignore the rating system, which was put in place to avoid complaints, but they see dinosaur and think instantly, the kids would love it. Which they did. My daughter saw JP3 in the theaters when she was 4. Loved every moment of it.

I've raised my daughter to understand real and fake. The dinosaurs are just robots and CGI. We watch the special features on DVDs together to see how they made it and she loves it. So yeah, I let her watch stuff that most parents would wait till their kids are pre-teens, but first, nothing sexual. Second, nothing extreemly violent and realistic violence. I think sheltering them from some things is fine, but not the whole world. And a lot of stuff parents shelter their kids from is a waste of time, IMO. :)
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Siren wrote:There are an excellent Little Mermaid comic. I have it somewhere. From what I remember of the story, Ariel ended up in a labyrinth somehow. I think she had to prove herself to some other race of mer-creatures. And in this maze, it was like the Minatour. It was this huge sea monster. Well she was able to somehow kill the sea monster and it's skeleton was bought by Ursula who made it into her home. Been so long since I dug it out, I forget all the details. But it was a fun story.
Ah, that's when Ariel meets the selfish and spoiled Celia, who is half human, half eel. I always loved that story.
The sexual themes in Hunchback were really subtle for kids
. . .
I remember all the crap about Esmerelda in the fire and she was naked....In what way? It was the form of a woman in the fire. I didn't see nipples and I didn't see a vagina. I saw the shape of a woman in the flames.
I remember they had to go back and retouch it to make it obvious that she was wearing clothing. I didn't see any problem with it, either. And I totally agree with you that the viewer often finds something that isn't there, and that's not the fault of the those creating the stories and imagery when nothing explicit is depicted.
And I saw SFX in Lion King
I saw that the priest's KNEE was showing through the robes
Exactly. And I find it odd that the "SEX" rumor was started by a woman that claimed her three-year-old was the one that found it. How on earth a child that age could pick that out of the swirly image in a few split second frames, let alone realize the significance of those letters is beyond me. :roll:
The only time there was a deliberate attempt at anything pornographic was the image of a nude woman in The Rescuers, which Disney didn't do. That happened somewhere else in some other way. Because the earlier prints of the movie don't show these images.
Yeah, by all accounts that was something inserted after the filming was completed by Disney.
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Ah, that's when Ariel meets the selfish and spoiled Celia, who is half human, half eel. I always loved that story.
That was it! Yeah, that would have made a great prequel or even a great episode of the series. I actually liked the series. I thought it was well done.
Exactly. And I find it odd that the "SEX" rumor was started by a woman that claimed her three-year-old was the one that found it. How on earth a child that age could pick that out of the swirly image in a few split second frames, let alone realize the significance of those letters is beyond me.
Exactly my point before. If your kids know what sex means and can read it at such a young age...Really, who's fault is that? My daughter wouldn't know the word sex if she saw it. She wouldn't know a lot of words when it comes to being that explicit. And why would a billion dollar company made almost solely for children put such things in there in the first place? For instance, the Rescurers thing was obvious and instantly it was recalled and fixed. But the Lion King and Little Mermaid stayed intact. Why? Maybe because nothing is there? The Little Mermaid VHS cover was also never recalled. The whole idea of one pillar looking like a penis was just ridiculous. In my opinion, they all resembles a penis, lol. But I REALLY don't think it was intentional. Look at the movie, that is how the pillars are shaped. The whole idea was to have an oceanic castle. The ocean tends to have more roundness to it and all that is in it. So it is natural for the castle to then be different then the castles on the land and everything about it be more rounded. It just so happened one person who was probably looking for fame and fortune pointed out a resemblance and it spread like wildfire. Again, if my 6 year looks at the cover and says it looks like an erect penis, who's fault is it?
People are so busy trying to tear down Disney. Some groups say they are too gay-friendly others that they put subliminal messages into it. It's ridculous. Why not put that negative focus towards all these commercials about men not being able to "preform" that show up during the daytime when my daughter is watching tv?
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Sailor Eric wrote: Why would Apollo fall in love with Marylin or vice versa??? He's a merman and she an octupus-maid!!!
Well, if you remember from the first movie, Ariel was a mermaid and Eric was a human! In my story, things are a little more easier: none of them has to change his tail or tentacles to anything-thay don't need a trident or a sea-witch. They both live undersea, and they only difficulty is, as Isidour said, between races.That means, the problem is like Romeo and Juliet, or "What will the family say?".

Don't ask me how their children are going to be!!! :o
Okay, I believe half of them will be merbabies and the others octopus-babies. :D

I've done many scetches of Marilyn and she reminds me a little of Celia, the Eelmaid. I mean the hair is very similar. If you'd like to draw Ursula's daughter or maybe young Ursula, I think you'd come up with something like Celia, as for the hair anyway.
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I've actually been writing a Little Mermaid story from a "true story" POV.
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