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Re: PACIFIC RIM CLARIFICATION

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PhilMo wrote:Apparently some people on this board like to stir the pot, are somewhat anal, feel they have to put other people down to compensate for their own inadequacies & insecurities and have a difficult time spelling.
With that said, most people's perception of “Pacific Rim country” is one on the western edge of the Pacific, north of Australia & south of the far eastern Russian coast which includes countries like China, Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, etc. This is what I meant in my initial posting and I wasn’t referring to Canada, the USA or any other North American or South American country that borders the Pacific. WHEW!
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PhilMo wrote:Apparently some people on this board like to stir the pot, are somewhat anal, feel they have to put other people down to compensate for their own inadequacies & insecurities and have a difficult time spelling.
With that said, most people's perception of “Pacific Rim country” is one on the western edge of the Pacific, north of Australia & south of the far eastern Russian coast which includes countries like China, Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, etc. This is what I meant in my initial posting and I wasn’t referring to Canada, the USA or any other North American or South American country that borders the Pacific. WHEW!
I am not sure if you are referring to me or not by stirring the pot. However, I was not trying to put you down in the least. I have no issue with you. I still maintain the USA and Canada(or at least portions of) are part of the Pacific Rim and I think people from the West Coast who are very reliant on trade with Asia for their economies would agree.

Anyways, it is not that big a point.

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Hello got a question about snow white

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Hello just want to introduce myself. Hi im Mike :stitch:
I bought snow white from ebay, and i just wanted to make sure it came in a double dvd case. Most of my dvds are in the slim case with 2 dvds (if thats what its called). sorry if im not explaining this correctly, and did it come with a slip or not? Thanks for the help in advance

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Welcome.

Well Snow White was the second DVD I ever bought right after the Treasure for Disneyland. Mine is not in a slim case that you find today either. As for the slipcover question this thread should answer it.

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... =slipcover

I think Loomis's post answers both your questions actually.
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Basically, don't worry, I've got the right DVD. :up:
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As far as I know, Snow White is the only "Platinum" to NOT come with a slip cover.

As for the case: The US is a double (thick, black) keep case, as far as I know. The Aussie Edition is also a double (thick, clear) but that is called "Masterpiece Edition" (so that is also legitimate if anyone spots it!).

Luke - do you think we should start a sticky thread for bootleg verification? Seems to be a popular topic...

Also, I want to send a shout out to www.secondspin.com - they came through big time with OOP copies of Lady & The Tramp and Snow White. Bless their cotton socks. They confirm the insert in Snow White.

I don't have my own photo ready, but thisauction seems to have a legit photo at least. (Not that I'm trying to plug eBay or anything...)
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Loomis wrote:Luke - do you think we should start a sticky thread for bootleg verification? Seems to be a popular topic...
It does seem to be quite a popular topic, but I'm not sure having a sticky would prevent new threads from cropping up on a regular basis. If we start seeing more, then I'll go ahead and create a "Did I buy a bootleg?" thread.

Mike,

Everything sounds fine as it was a wider case and no slipcover. For future reference, you might want to know that all our <a href="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/reviewindex.htm">Disney DVD reviews</a> on the site list whether the cases were double wide (Double Alpha) or slim (Dual Amaray) and make note if there's a slip cover.

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Seems like everyone has you on the right track regarding your purchase of Snow White Congrats I hope you enjoy your movie :) . On that note
I mostley just wanted to welcome you to the forum :D everyone is very kind and someone always has the answer to your questions I look foward to posting with you :D .
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Thanks everyone again i will stick around and post :D
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Welcome, Philmo. Great list. :)

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I have a question about Snow White...

Was it once planned as an Opera or a SHakespearean play or something :lol: ? Does anyone else notice how the dialogue randomly starts rhyming?
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Mike, welcome! Look forward to postin' with ya! :)

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Can anyone help me in telling me how to determine if a disney dvd is bootleg or not. Are most of the animated dvds on ebay bootlegs?
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Welcome to the forum. Many of the <b><a href="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/OOP.htm">Out of Print</b></a> animated Disney DVDs are bootlegs, with the long-discontinued Limited Issue discs the most prevalent.

You should check out PhilMo's helpful thread here with guidelines to spotting bootlegs:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... php?t=4515
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Because I'm not a regular Ebay buyer, I can't provide as much advice as others on this board can, but I can give you a few tips. Don't ever trust a DVD that says Region 0 or is from Taiwan (which is like the prime capital of bootlegging). Examine cover art closely. If something's off about it (a different banner, spine, etc.) it's a bootleg. If you need help with that, look up the DVD on Amazon or DVDEmpire and compare the artwork. There's a lot more to look out for, but other members can fill you in on those.

EDIT: Nevermind, just follow Luke's links. :P
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Post by Pluto »

here are some tips:
if you are an ebay buyer, send the person that is selling you the movie an email and ask him.... If he lies, you can tell ebay and they will refund your money and you will have the bootleg :P
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Most of the DVD's sold on ebay are legit. Look at the sellers feedback and that will tell the story. Follow the advice given above and you will do fine. One tip : when you do an ebay search do an advanced search and check the box that says items available in the United States only, this will eliminate most of the Asian imports from the results.
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wow, you sure can tell JimmyJackJunior hasn't reached his level of maturity yet :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for the helpful info PhilMo, as I agree w/ ALL of it
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so this one is official then? I just bid on it on ebay :)

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Pirates!

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Modern day "bootleg" and "pirate" copies have come a long way from the dodgy VHS tapes of yesteryear. Remember those Disney trailers where they would split the screen and show you a side-by-side comparison of a genuine Disney VHS vs. a poor quality copy? (Not sure if they had something similar outside the UK but most of my Disney videos have these on.)

Anyway, thanks to digital encoding there is no visible difference between a Disney DVD and a pirate Disney DVD (assuming they are doing direct digital copies and not re-encoding). In fact, copies generally look better on my old telly as the Macrovision on the originals causes the top of the screen to shimmer. [I have therefore backed up my entire Disney catalogue (VHS and DVD) onto DVD-Rs which I watch instead... but hey, that's another story...]

Where was I? Oh yeah, a lot of the pirate Disney DVDs look very convincing. Full colour character artwork on the disc and professionally printed inlays - sometimes even inserts!

So, your "Limited Issue" Jungle Book that you bought off eBay has just arrived and you want to know whether it's genuine or not? (I'm using 'Jungle Book' as an example cos it appears to be the most pirated Disney DVD ever!)

Well, if you don't have an original to compare it with you could be fooling yourself that your copy is genuine!

Here a few easy tests you can do to check. The genuine Disney "Limited Issue" US DVDs were dual-encoded Region 1 and Region 4. To prevent copying they included analog Macrovision in addition to digital CSS and RCE protection!

Of course, these days anyone with a PC and a DVD writer can make a perfect copy of 'Jungle Book' (or 'Lady & The Tramp', or '101 Dalmatians') as the original is on a DVD-5 disc (i.e. single side, single layer) so no extra compression is needed to fit it on a 4.7Gb blank disc!

One foolproof way I have of checking whether a disc is original or not - and so far I haven't seen this method posted anywhere - is simply to pop the disc into your PC DVD drive! Using freeware like <a href="http://www.dvddecrypter.com">DVD Decrypter</a> or <a href="http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video ... cfm">Smart Ripper</a> you can examine exactly what is on the disc!

Let's use <a href="http://www.dvddecrypter.com">DVD Decrypter</a> for our example. A genuine US Disney 'Jungle Book' should show the following information:

<img src="http://beanos.co.uk/images/jungle.gif">

(I've blurred out destination box as this just displays system info.)

As you can see the disc is R1 & R4 with CSS & RCE. Pirate copies (which are usually just DVD rips) don't bother with regional coding or copy protection and usually advertise the fact that they are "region free" or "all region" DVDs.

All genuine Disney DVDs will have regional coding, Macrovision and CSS copy protection.

They don't seem to bother with RCE anymore (the last title I have with RCE is 'Aristocats' from May 2002) but I've never seen the point of RCE on back-catalogue titles anyway!

If you can't test your disc on a PC then try copying from your DVD player to your VHS recorder. Genuine Disney DVDs won't copy due to the analog Macrovision signal included whereas, once again, bootleggers don't bother with such unnecessary protection which, as I mentioned before, only degrades the picture [sorry, all this copy protection is a little bugbear of mine - although I'm happy to say that, to date, there is currently no CD, DVD or VHS that I haven't been able to copy - but that's beside the point].

So there you have it! disneyunlimited's method of checking whether your eBay purchase is the real McCoy, or not!

So far, every Asian and Far Eastern copy I've examined have been missing CSS and regional coding which suggest they're all boots although I'm sure there must be some genuine Disney's from these countries...(!?)

Maybe forum members can check their DVDs to see just how widespread Disney bootlegging is. Obviously, if you've bought your discs from reputable stores this shouldn't be a problem, but buying from eBay is like buying from any street market seller and when it comes to "out of print" titles I reckon there are more bootlegs on offer than genuine discs! (Sorry to disagree with you, pleasurebay - perhaps it's because I'm in the UK and when I buy Region 1 I have to select "Available to the United Kingdom" which brings up all those dodgy pirates!)

"Sad but true" (as Metallica once said...)
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