Lady and the Tramp Discussion

[Margos]

I haven't seen the whole film yet.
But I have seen many scenes and clips on youtube etc.
On there it all looked very slapsticky to me, a big chain of silly jokes.

Well watch the whole thing. I especially point out the "married life" montage, the "scrapbook" scene, and the "Ellie badge." Probably more emotionally effective than "What is a Baby?" when all is said and done.

[Elladorine]

Yes, it's beautiful.

You will never see scenes like that in the newer films.
Every scene needs to have a quick joke to ruin the moment.

The modern audiences don't see the beauty and the tons of emotions in a scene like that. They need fart jokes or else they think it's boring.

Marky, have you seen "Up" by any chance?

Wow, my thoughts exactly. Up is proof that audiences can find an emotional story entertaining, and can be funny without the fart jokes.

I haven't seen the whole film yet.
But I have seen many scenes and clips on youtube etc.
On there it all looked very slapsticky to me, a big chain of silly jokes.

Marky, do yourself a favor and watch Up from start to finish before making a judgment call on the film (clips on youtube don't do the film justice). Seriously. Go watch it and tell me you don't feel touched before we're introduced to Carl in the present day . . .

. . . unless you've already made up your mind that it's a slapsticky, big chain of silly jokes. Which it is not.

[pap64]

Marky doesn't need to watch the movie to form a judgement.

[yukitora]

I swear there should just be a marky subforum. Half of the threads of late have been directed at him in some way or another.

[Margos]

I swear there should just be a marky subforum. Half of the threads of late have been directed at him in some way or another.

But who would bother reading any of those posts? It would be like a solitary confinement chamber in which Marky could rant at no one. Although.... hmmm.... the idea has merit! It's what he would like best, anyway! Any chance the admins could wrap it up and give it to him for Christmas?

[yukitora]

I swear there should just be a marky subforum. Half of the threads of late have been directed at him in some way or another.

But who would bother reading any of those posts? It would be like a solitary confinement chamber in which Marky could rant at no one. Although.... hmmm.... the idea has merit! It's what he would like best, anyway! Any chance the admins could wrap it up and give it to him for Christmas?

It can be their gift to everyone

Anyhow Marky it's hard to enjoy a movie having not seen it. I'm not saying it'll be the best two hours of your life, but it certainly won't be the worst (unless you die from shock of how non-slapsticky it is).

[CampbellzSoup]

Up probably has more heart in it than half of the classic Disney movies without the slapstick of some of them either.

Marky doesn't watch films, rather screenshots.

[pap64]

Up probably has more heart in it than half of the classic Disney movies without the slapstick of some of them either.

Marky doesn't watch films, rather screenshots.

And makes sure the colors are correct

[Elladorine]

Marky doesn't watch films, rather screenshots.

And makes sure the colors are correct

See, that's the drawback of watching a newly-produced film. There's no old screencaps to compare any new ones to (and we all know the old ones are always better).

[ajmrowland]

I'd like to see any "Saturday Morning Cartoon" that has animation as good as Pixar.


But seriously, Marky. The most cold-hearted critics were melted by this one, and it's probably the safest blind-buy of the year.

[pap64]

Yes, Up has a near perfect blend of heart and humor. There are some truly funny moments in the film, and there are scenes that at the very least will make you feel for the characters.

[SpringHeelJack]

I mean, "Up" was good, but I bet it would be better on laserdisc. I'm sure the real colors would be evident there.

[Escapay]

I haven't seen the whole film yet.
But I have seen many scenes and clips on youtube etc.
On there it all looked very slapsticky to me, a big chain of silly jokes.

Watch this:

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Yes, it's Pixar...

Yes, it's CGI...

Yes, it's on YouTube and as a result...

Yes, the image quality is something you should be accustomed to...

Yes, it's set in a normal world...

No, it's not set in the medieval past...

No, it's not set in any wild exotic location (at least not yet)...

No, there is no splashy song and dance number...

No, there are no Princesses...

No, there are no naked marble boys in Winston-Salem...

Now...

If you are able to accept all of the above after having watched that video, and you still fail to find any emotion or heart in it, then maybe, just maybe, I should borrow a sentence you once used on someone else and repeat it back to you: "You shouldn't even speak about the classics on a forum like this."



albert

[Marky_198]

Ok, ok, I will watch it.

But I wonder if I can feel for plastic characters that look like toys.

We'll see.

[Marky_198]

Watch this:

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I have to say, the idea of this scene is nice and I can understand that it actually might be somewhat touching for some people.
But I still don't get the image.
This 11 year old looking girl is supposed to be his wife???!!!
And all of a sudden she changes from an 11 year old looking girl to a 70 year old looking woman?
I thought it was his daughter at first. Weird.

They still look like plastic toys to me.
But I get the idea of what they are trying to say, it's just that too many important things and details are missing.
A 30 year old lady does not look the same as a 11 year old.
Also for some reason, she doesn't seem to have any character at all.
It feels empty.

[Elladorine]

I have to say, the idea of this scene is nice and I can understand that it actually might be somewhat touching for some people.
But I still don't get the image.
This 11 year old looking girl is supposed to be his wife???!!!
And all of a sudden she changes from an 11 year old looking girl to a 70 year old looking woman?
I thought it was his daughter at first. Weird.

Marky, as I was saying, you need to watch this film from the beginning. The clip Scaps posted might not make much sense all by itself, as it doesn't include any set-up. We first meet the characters as children, and you can see a definite difference in age between her being a little girl and later being a young woman in the clip you just saw.

They still look like plastic toys to me.
But I get the idea of what they are trying to say, it's just that too many important things and details are missing.
A 30 year old lady does not look the same as a 11 year old.
Also for some reason, she doesn't seem to have any character at all.
It feels empty.

You probably don't feel any character from her as you missed the earlier portion with the dialog. This montage is basically Carl's memories of their life together. Perhaps those "important things and details" aren't missing if you watch the whole film; Carl's wife is an exceptional character, even with what little precious screen time she is given.

And call them plastic toys if you want; there's countless ways of telling any story, whether it be words, puppets, shadows, drawings, photography, etc. Characters have the life you give them.

*EDIT*

This thread got really derailed . . . perhaps part of it can be merged with the Up thread?

[BelleGirl]

Nice, this discussion of Up but this thread was about Lady and the Tramp if I'm not mistaken

Really love L &T, a true classic. I'm a bit annoyed though that some UD'rs claim that in modern Disney animated features every touching scene is marred by a (childish) joke. This simply isn't true.
I challenge you to mention as many of these marred scenes as possible! Just prove your point!

[SpringHeelJack]

I wonder if I can feel for plastic characters that look like toys.

This to me is just... you have no trouble feeling for some ink on a plastic cel or something drawn and scanned into a computer, but you wonder how much emotion you can muster to something that looks, dare I say, artificial?

[Jules]

You have no trouble feeling for some ink on a plastic cel.

Mary sack of doughnuts into pitcher car sleigh. Period.

[SpringHeelJack]

...did I have a stroke or does that sentence not make sense?