Best Disney movie of the 1950s?

[JeanGreyForever]

JeanGrey, thanks for giving me the museum info. Yup, it was open when I was a kid...we only went into Philly once, so maybe it was too far? (And thanks for describing the French toast! I'm in Florida; I think it was 9:30ish AM when I typed that, but maybe it was 10-ish by then and I wasn't hungry yet, until I read about your food!)

And I met Belle when I went to her Storytime with Belle attraction. I was a knight, and then she came in in her awful yellow dress (lol jk it's not that bad)

I never got to go to that attraction (but my husband and his family did; his brother was the Knight)-- do they really use the live-action yellow dress? Or do you not like her theme park dress? I feel like I'm missing something!

yes that dress isn't the best. It's pretty but it's not Belle's real dress just from the color alone.

Oh, you guys just mean the yellowness (not goldness) of the dress, but it is supposed to be 1991 Belle, not EmmaBelle?

I don't see why Peter Pan and The Wizard of Oz had to use those same endings since Oz and Neverland were always real in the books.

Wait, I thought because Mr. & Mrs. Darling & Nana see the pirate ship at the end, that it wasn't a dream?!?!?

Oh that makes sense. Well I hope you ended up having a nice breakfast, or if not a breakfast, then a nice brunch afterwards.

The attraction is okay but it's not something I find super repeatable. I'd much rather have a dark ride for BATB like Tokyo is getting. This is the dress being referenced.


As you can see, it's the redesign dress she got and instead of a golden yellow, it's a very pale yellow color.

The ending is ambiguous because the ship could be a cloud if you wanted to look at it that way. Basically some people will see it as real and others will see it as a dream. I know in The Wizard of Oz, they went with the ending that it was all a dream because they felt audiences wouldn't accept it any other way but I'm not sure why they did that for Peter Pan since it was a Disney animated film released more than a decade later and audiences had no issues embracing Snow White, Pinocchio, Cinderella, etc.

[JeanGreyForever]

Yes, the pirates are pretty negative in Swiss Family Robinson but they're basically 80% racial stereotypes from what I remember. At least the pirates in Peter Pan were not racially stereotyped from what I remember. Even so, Swiss Family Robinson and Peter Pan are the two most dated films that Walt made imo. Both are full to the brim with sexism and racism.

Yeah, when people of other races were featured in movies back then they were usually very stereotyped.

In Mulan's case I'd say that making an entire race the villain with absolutely no nuance and even dehumanizing them is pretty bad. Especially since we've seen how China deals with races they consider beneath them like the Uighurs who are being locked in concentration camps and killed off like the Jews during the Holocaust but just like back then, nobody is doing anything to save them.

I actually never thought about that before, but I think you're right. Thankfully, in the remake it seems they're going to make them more human and give their leader a personal reason for going to war with the Chinese.

Keep in mind that they don't know much about babies and Tramp has to educate them a lot because he's a lot more wordly and knowledgable about human matters than they are so I always took it as Jock and Trusty have such privileged backgrounds with every whim catered to by their owners that for them, they can't imagine not being able to marry Lady and take her home. They'd have no idea that their human owners wouldn't be receptive to that.

That makes sense. I guess you're right about that.

It makes sense why Alice in Wonderland did that but I don't see why Peter Pan and The Wizard of Oz had to use those same endings since Oz and Neverland were always real in the books.

Well, in Alice in Wonderland it's clearer it's a dream, whereas in Peter Pan and The Wizard of Oz they leave it more ambiguous. But if in the books the worlds were real, they should've respected that. Personally, I don't like when they leave it open to interpretation. I prefer them to make it clear whether it's all real or not.

Wait, I thought because Mr. & Mrs. Darling & Nana see the pirate ship at the end, that it wasn't a dream?!?!?

Yes, but the ship at the end seems made of clouds, so we can't be sure if it's Peter Pan's ship or just a cloud that happens to have that shape. I've always hated that, I wish it had been made clear it was the real ship.

Indeed.

I never thought about it much either until I read some people of Mongolian descent complaining on Tumblr about Mulan and how while Chinese culture wasn't represented accurately, at least it wasn't blatantly offensive the way the Huns were portrayed. The remake seems to have recognized that issue as well. Of course for some the fact that it won't be gray-skinned Huns with yellow eyes is apparently offensive to their childhoods.

Even in The Wizard of Oz, it seems pretty clear it was a dream since all the people she knew in real life appeared in her dream. Peter Pan is the most ambiguous of the three fantasy films (Oz, Alice, Pan). I don't like ambiguous endings much either but I don't mind it here since you can pretty much go with whatever you prefer.

[JeanGreyForever]

I've never been able to go to there, but I have been to 1900 Park Fare, which has Cinderella characters in the evening. I've also been for breakfast, when they have British characters- Alice, the Mad Hatter, Mary Poppins, Winnie the Pooh, and Tigger, too. That was pretty cool, but at evening, Cinderella comes out with her Prince, the stepsisters, and Lady Tremaine. I believe this is the only place you can meet the Prince and Lady Tremaine now, and it's a pretty nice experience. Lady Tremaine was my favorite to meet, but I do recall one of the stepsisters trying to flirt with me, almost making my girlfriend at the time jealous. The food is nice, too! They're famous for their strawberry soup.

One fun fact I've heard about Cinderella's Royal Table before- apparently when Belle does appear, she comes out in her blue dress. From what I understand, her gold dress is a little too poofy for her to fit through the doors inside.

Sounds like fun as well! I've heard of it before and do Bert or Piglet ever pop in?

That's a pity about Lady Tremaine, I think she used to walk around before and she was pretty popular. Mainly because of the stepsisters who everyone thought was a really hoot like you also said. I've heard of their strawberry soup as well, did you have it or was it not a breakfast item?

Lol, that might explain why she's in the blue dress. I used to think that was odd but I didn't realize it's because her dress doesn't fit.

DC Fan, I am confused. You say you don't mean Cinderella doesn't have personality, but you say Aurora, who came after her, was the first princess to start to show personality?! I don't get it.

Sorry. For a moment I forgot and though Sleeping Beauty came out before Cinderella. Still, what I said stands in a way. I mean to say that Aurora still had personality.

But do you really think Aurora has more personality than Cinderella? I've truly never heard that before being said.

[D82]

Of course for some the fact that it won't be gray-skinned Huns with yellow eyes is apparently offensive to their childhoods.

I've always wondered why they gave Shan Yu that skin color and those eyes when he's not a magical character, is there any logical explanation as to why he looks like that?

Even in The Wizard of Oz, it seems pretty clear it was a dream since all the people she knew in real life appeared in her dream.

Yeah, I guess you're right that that makes it less ambiguous than Peter Pan. If I remember correctly, they did the same in Return to Oz. And even Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland has something similar. For example, Alice's fiancé's mother hates white roses like the Red Queen and there are two twin sisters at the beginning who remind of Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

[JeanGreyForever]

Of course for some the fact that it won't be gray-skinned Huns with yellow eyes is apparently offensive to their childhoods.

I've always wondered why they gave Shan Yu that skin color and those eyes when he's not a magical character, is there any logical explanation as to why he looks like that?

Even in The Wizard of Oz, it seems pretty clear it was a dream since all the people she knew in real life appeared in her dream.

Yeah, I guess you're right that that makes it less ambiguous than Peter Pan. If I remember correctly, they did the same in Return to Oz. And even Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland has something similar. For example, Alice's fiancé's mother hates white roses like the Red Queen and there are two twin sisters at the beginning who remind of Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

It makes it easier to let the audience know that this is the villain because he looks inhuman and almost demonic. There's no in-universe explanation but a deleted scene reveals that originally Shan Yu's falcon (Hayabusa) had a special bond with Shan Yu. Shan Yu could see through the falcon's eyes so he did have at least one magical skill, besides being able to survive an avalanche.

Yes, Return to Oz and Oz the Great and Powerful both did the same thing. Although it's a little weird in Oz the Great and Powerful because the characters are all clearly based on people that Oz already knew but unlike the other two films, he never "wakes up" at the end. He chooses to stay in Oz so technically that could suggest that he never left his dream. I've heard some people think this meant he died in the tornado.

It's kinda weird in Burton's AiW because Wonderland/Underland is clearly a real place and Alice only thought it was a dream. The Oz parallels don't exactly work there.

[Disney Duster]

Thanks JeanGreyForever! Her bestie, I like that idea! It really is one of my most treasured possessions, I never realized that till now!

I have some pics of me at Cinderella's Table, but I don't think with me and any other princesses. Sorry. I really wish I could have gotten one with me and that Ariel. She was so adorable I really loved her.

God did I love that French Toast lol.

Haha, yes, Jock and Tristy, oh those guys...

JeanGreyForever, that Alice exhibit sounds so cool.

It is especially if you check out pics online. That's why I'm so disappointed that Disney Tokyo was supposed to feature a whole Alice in Wonderland themed area but that plan was cancelled.

I looked at some pics, you are so right how awesome its is! Why was an Alice area canceled?!!! They love Alice and that area would be one of the greatest things ever!!!

Thanks Amy! Yes, I meant Belle's park dress looks bad. Her Hollywood Studios stage show dress is beautiful, but not her park one in my opinion. It's not just the color for me. And yes, it would be cool if you could make your own recipe of that French Toast!

It's ok D82!

Thank you Avaitor! I'm sorry you couldn't go to Cinderella's Royal Table...yet. But yeah it was awesome. I would love to go to 1900 Park Fare and see Cinderella, her prince, and the Tremaines, and eat a lot of their stuff, including the strawberry soup! That sounds amazing! That's so funny about the stepsister flirting with you! That's a cool factoid about Belle in her peasant dress! Too bad I couldn't meet her, too.

Yes, JeanGreyForever, the Tremaines used to walk around the park. That's how I stopped eating my lunch to go get a picture with them, then went back to my lunch lol.

Dream endings: I like when they are left open sometimes because it's mysterious and magical, and it's cool that in a way the answer could be that it was both real and a dream in a way.

Mulan: I think like JenGreyForever they looks that way to show they are kind of like demons from hell. Like they are people that are evil and so they look like that because hell sent them lol. In Cinderella, Lady Tremaine is dark with yellow eyes when she closes the locked door on Cinderella.

[JeanGreyForever]

Thanks JeanGreyForever! Her bestie, I like that idea! It really is one of my most treasured possessions, I never realized that till now!

I have some pics of me at Cinderella's Table, but I don't think with me and any other princesses. Sorry. I really wish I could have gotten one with me and that Ariel. She was so adorable I really loved her.

God did I love that French Toast lol.

Haha, yes, Jock and Tristy, oh those guys...

It is especially if you check out pics online. That's why I'm so disappointed that Disney Tokyo was supposed to feature a whole Alice in Wonderland themed area but that plan was cancelled.

I looked at some pics, you are so right how awesome its is! Why was an Alice area canceled?!!! They love Alice and that area would be one of the greatest things ever!!!

Thanks Amy! Yes, I meant Belle's park dress looks bad. Her Hollywood Studios stage show dress is beautiful, but not her park one in my opinion. It's not just the color for me. And yes, it would be cool if you could make your own recipe of that French Toast!

It's ok D82!

Thank you Avaitor! I'm sorry you couldn't go to Cinderella's Royal Table...yet. But yeah it was awesome. I would love to go to 1900 Park Fare and see Cinderella, her prince, and the Tremaines, and eat a lot of their stuff, including the strawberry soup! That sounds amazing! That's so funny about the stepsister flirting with you! That's a cool factoid about Belle in her peasant dress! Too bad I couldn't meet her, too.

Yes, JeanGreyForever, the Tremaines used to walk around the park. That's how I stopped eating my lunch to go get a picture with them, then went back to my lunch lol.

Dream endings: I like when they are left open sometimes because it's mysterious and magical, and it's cool that in a way the answer could be that it was both real and a dream in a way.

Mulan: I think like JenGreyForever they looks that way to show they are kind of like demons from hell. Like they are people that are evil and so they look like that because hell sent them lol. In Cinderella, Lady Tremaine is dark with yellow eyes when she closes the locked door on Cinderella.

You should frame that picture and hang it on your wall, especially if you get a Disney Parks frame to match or something like that. Then you can introduce yourself to everyone who sees it as Cinderella's royal companion.

Aww, that's a pity because I know you liked that Ariel very much and I was dying to see her as well. I know a lot of the popular face characters become really big on Tumblr and Tumblr stans fanboy/fangirl over certain portrayals.

I love Jock and Trusty, I think they're so underrated.

IRK. I'm not sure why the Alice area was cancelled. I think they scaled back on additions, maybe because the BATB themed area ended up being so expensive. And yes, Alice is huge in Japan so I was surprised as well but hopefully one day far into the future, they might bring back those plans. I don't know why I'm so disappointed considering I've never even been to Tokyo lol.

I like pale yellow but that is Snow White's skirt color, not Belle's dress color. Her gown should be golden. I'll admit her first dress used to get a lot of criticism online (they used to call it something but I can't remember) but it still looked more movie accurate than what we have now.

Lol, so does this mean you have met most of the Cinderella characters in the parks? What about the Fairy Godmother, the Prince, and Suzy and Perla?

I don't get the appeal for endings that say "it was all a dream" because you can literally get that in real life. I know I've dreamed of many places and then I wake up and realize it was a dream, so in a movie, I'd like to at least pretend it was real rather than be told that even in a pretend film it couldn't be real.

Yeah, no wonder Mongolians were pissed at how they were portrayed. I've always loved that scene of Lady Tremaine! Also her introduction when she's completely in shadow and has that awful glare on her face.

[blackcauldron85]

The attraction is okay but it's not something I find super repeatable. I'd much rather have a dark ride for BATB like Tokyo is getting. This is the dress being referenced

As you can see, it's the redesign dress she got and instead of a golden yellow, it's a very pale yellow color.

Yes, I meant Belle's park dress looks bad. Her Hollywood Studios stage show dress is beautiful, but not her park one in my opinion. It's not just the color for me.

JeanGrey, your photo didn't show up (Note- I quoted you but when I hit "Submit," there was a message saying "It was not possible to determine the dimensions of the image."), but you guys are talking about this dress (link below)? I like it, but I know it's bright yellow vs. movie color (but yellow's my favorite color so I may like it more than the average person!)...
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Theme_Pa ... lle_DP.jpg

[Avaitor]

I've never been able to go to there, but I have been to 1900 Park Fare, which has Cinderella characters in the evening. I've also been for breakfast, when they have British characters- Alice, the Mad Hatter, Mary Poppins, Winnie the Pooh, and Tigger, too. That was pretty cool, but at evening, Cinderella comes out with her Prince, the stepsisters, and Lady Tremaine. I believe this is the only place you can meet the Prince and Lady Tremaine now, and it's a pretty nice experience. Lady Tremaine was my favorite to meet, but I do recall one of the stepsisters trying to flirt with me, almost making my girlfriend at the time jealous. The food is nice, too! They're famous for their strawberry soup.

One fun fact I've heard about Cinderella's Royal Table before- apparently when Belle does appear, she comes out in her blue dress. From what I understand, her gold dress is a little too poofy for her to fit through the doors inside.

Sounds like fun as well! I've heard of it before and do Bert or Piglet ever pop in?

That's a pity about Lady Tremaine, I think she used to walk around before and she was pretty popular. Mainly because of the stepsisters who everyone thought was a really hoot like you also said. I've heard of their strawberry soup as well, did you have it or was it not a breakfast item?

Lol, that might explain why she's in the blue dress. I used to think that was odd but I didn't realize it's because her dress doesn't fit.

No Bert or Piglet. Piglet meets with Pooh, Tigger, and Eeyore in Crystal Palace in Magic Kingdom, and that's the only place you can meet him or Eeyore, besides Halloween and Christmas parties. Bert occasionally shows up at Hollywood Studios for their not-so-secret Character Palooza. Sometimes with Mary Poppins, sometimes on his own. Which is funny, because I don't think that he actually appears in Fantasmic anymore.

And yes, Lady Tremaine used to appear in MK with her daughters, but I think she stopped appearing due to budget cuts. I know that the Fairy Godmother was also briefly retired, but brought back, I think in part due to some popular stories involving guests meeting her.

And the strawberry soup is available throughout the whole day. It's pretty nice, and I want to use that recipe to make it and possibly dip some graham crackers in it or something!

[JeanGreyForever]

The attraction is okay but it's not something I find super repeatable. I'd much rather have a dark ride for BATB like Tokyo is getting. This is the dress being referenced

As you can see, it's the redesign dress she got and instead of a golden yellow, it's a very pale yellow color.

Yes, I meant Belle's park dress looks bad. Her Hollywood Studios stage show dress is beautiful, but not her park one in my opinion. It's not just the color for me.

JeanGrey, your photo didn't show up (Note- I quoted you but when I hit "Submit," there was a message saying "It was not possible to determine the dimensions of the image."), but you guys are talking about this dress (link below)? I like it, but I know it's bright yellow vs. movie color (but yellow's my favorite color so I may like it more than the average person!)...
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Theme_Pa ... lle_DP.jpg

I noticed as well that the picture wasn't showing up for me anymore. This one should work now.


The dress you posted is the original dress she wore in the parks before the redesign which I do like even if it's a bit outdated. I think the bright yellow of the dress you posted is more accurate than the pale yellow from the redesign dress.

[Disney Duster]

JeanGreyForever, that's a good idea about framing that picture! My grandmother had a picture of me and Cinderella blown up and framed, from my trip when I was 11. But we don't have it up anymore, and I don't know why. I guess it just doesn't go with the way we have our house now.

I wonder where that Ariel is now...I hope she gets so much love!

I completely am with you there on an Alice area! But hopefully I could visit it someday!

It's not just Belle's dress not being accurate, I just plain don't like it, I don't like the ruffles they added, any of it. I don't need a dress to be accurate because I'm fine with all the rest of the inaccurate dresses except Jasmine's.

I haven't met The Fairy Godmother or Prince or any of the mice, sadly.

You and me disagree on endings because I think in some the Oz, Pan, and Alice cases they are actually all real places that were left and just remembered as dreams.

Yes, I love how they show Lady Tremaine in the film!

Amy, that is Belle's first parks dress, and I like that dress. It's the latest version of it I don't like. It's not the color that bothers me about the new one, it's the design.

[JeanGreyForever]

Sounds like fun as well! I've heard of it before and do Bert or Piglet ever pop in?

That's a pity about Lady Tremaine, I think she used to walk around before and she was pretty popular. Mainly because of the stepsisters who everyone thought was a really hoot like you also said. I've heard of their strawberry soup as well, did you have it or was it not a breakfast item?

Lol, that might explain why she's in the blue dress. I used to think that was odd but I didn't realize it's because her dress doesn't fit.

No Bert or Piglet. Piglet meets with Pooh, Tigger, and Eeyore in Crystal Palace in Magic Kingdom, and that's the only place you can meet him or Eeyore, besides Halloween and Christmas parties. Bert occasionally shows up at Hollywood Studios for their not-so-secret Character Palooza. Sometimes with Mary Poppins, sometimes on his own. Which is funny, because I don't think that he actually appears in Fantasmic anymore.

And yes, Lady Tremaine used to appear in MK with her daughters, but I think she stopped appearing due to budget cuts. I know that the Fairy Godmother was also briefly retired, but brought back, I think in part due to some popular stories involving guests meeting her.

And the strawberry soup is available throughout the whole day. It's pretty nice, and I want to use that recipe to make it and possibly dip some graham crackers in it or something!

Is Crystal Palace nice? I've heard about it but I've never been myself. Is it just Winnie the Pooh characters? I remember Bert used to be a semi-regular at the Parks but I feel like he's barely around anymore. I don't even think he's in the Disneyland Fantasmic either.

That's unfortunate with Lady Tremaine, I know a lot of people like meeting her. Do the Evil Queen and Cruella still make appearances?

I'll need to try making it at home then because it sounds delicious.

[JeanGreyForever]

JeanGreyForever, that's a good idea about framing that picture! My grandmother had a picture of me and Cinderella blown up and framed, from my trip when I was 11. But we don't have it up anymore, and I don't know why. I guess it just doesn't go with the way we have our house now.

I wonder where that Ariel is now...I hope she gets so much love!

I completely am with you there on an Alice area! But hopefully I could visit it someday!

It's not just Belle's dress not being accurate, I just plain don't like it, I don't like the ruffles they added, any of it. I don't need a dress to be accurate because I'm fine with all the rest of the inaccurate dresses except Jasmine's.

I haven't met The Fairy Godmother or Prince or any of the mice, sadly.

You and me disagree on endings because I think in some the Oz, Pan, and Alice cases they are actually all real places that were left and just remembered as dreams.

Yes, I love how they show Lady Tremaine in the film!

Amy, that is Belle's first parks dress, and I like that dress. It's the latest version of it I don't like. It's not the color that bothers me about the new one, it's the design.

I hope you still have that picture though somewhere. Maybe you could one day put it back up next to your new picture to show the passage of time.

Same!

Same here! It's just so far away.

Actually I think it's pretty as a dress but I don't like how it's inaccurate. I don't like Cinderella's new look because her wig is awful and the dress is too blue whereas her previous gown actually looked white/silver in certain lighting. Aurora's new dress is pretty but I don't like the length of the skirt and how it's too pale of a pink. Ariel's new gown is also nice but I did like her previous seafoam gown better. Jasmine's is just plain awful and I hate the new wig as well.

Perhaps on a future trip especially since Avaitor said the Fairy Godmother has been brought back.

I don't know, I'm not too big a fan of the idea that a magical land was real but it turned out they could only remember it as a dream. It feels like a cop-out and a way of not picking either option, making it a dream or making it real, but instead trying to have it both ways.

[blackcauldron85]

Thanks, you two, for clarifying on the dress! The new one is pretty, I like the velour look, but I agree the original dress is prettier and more movie-accurate.

[Avaitor]

@JeanGreyForever: Crystal Palace is okay. Generally buffet-style restaurants don't have the best quality food, and this is no exception, but it has some decent stuff. It is only Winnie the Pooh characters, though.

And the Evil Queen also occasionally comes out for Character Palooza, but that's about it besides for the Halloween party and for special events. Cruella only appears during those latter events, as well.

[JeanGreyForever]

@JeanGreyForever: Crystal Palace is okay. Generally buffet-style restaurants don't have the best quality food, and this is no exception, but it has some decent stuff. It is only Winnie the Pooh characters, though.

And the Evil Queen also occasionally comes out for Character Palooza, but that's about it besides for the Halloween party and for special events. Cruella only appears during those latter events, as well.

Lol. Not surprised to hear that then. I had no idea it was a buffet though, from the name it sounded more formal. I imagine it's also a buffet because that's more child-friendly to match the Winnie the Pooh characters. I wish Rabbit appeared more often but he only appears in shows now I think.

Maybe the Queen and Cruella are more common in Disneyland because I've seen lots of videos where they walk around.

[Disney Duster]

I hope you still have that picture though somewhere. Maybe you could one day put it back up next to your new picture to show the passage of time.

Same!

Same here! It's just so far away.

Actually I think it's pretty as a dress but I don't like how it's inaccurate. I don't like Cinderella's new look because her wig is awful and the dress is too blue whereas her previous gown actually looked white/silver in certain lighting. Aurora's new dress is pretty but I don't like the length of the skirt and how it's too pale of a pink. Ariel's new gown is also nice but I did like her previous seafoam gown better. Jasmine's is just plain awful and I hate the new wig as well.

Perhaps on a future trip especially since Avaitor said the Fairy Godmother has been brought back.

I don't know, I'm not too big a fan of the idea that a magical land was real but it turned out they could only remember it as a dream. It feels like a cop-out and a way of not picking either option, making it a dream or making it real, but instead trying to have it both ways.

Thanks, I wonder where that picture is! It would be cool to put them together, yeah! We'd both have new outfits!

I love Cinderella's new wig, I think it's better. I also like the dress better. What's wrong with Aurora's dress length? I hate that they changed Aurora's signature hair. Now that is a crime.

Yes, maybe I will meet the Fairy Godmother since she's back!

I get what you mean about the dream lands.

Hey guys, I actually did find pictures of me with every princess at Cinderella's Royal Table! And I was right, Snow White was there! Anyway, here's me and that great Ariel:

[JeanGreyForever]

I hope you still have that picture though somewhere. Maybe you could one day put it back up next to your new picture to show the passage of time.

Same!

Same here! It's just so far away.

Actually I think it's pretty as a dress but I don't like how it's inaccurate. I don't like Cinderella's new look because her wig is awful and the dress is too blue whereas her previous gown actually looked white/silver in certain lighting. Aurora's new dress is pretty but I don't like the length of the skirt and how it's too pale of a pink. Ariel's new gown is also nice but I did like her previous seafoam gown better. Jasmine's is just plain awful and I hate the new wig as well.

Perhaps on a future trip especially since Avaitor said the Fairy Godmother has been brought back.

I don't know, I'm not too big a fan of the idea that a magical land was real but it turned out they could only remember it as a dream. It feels like a cop-out and a way of not picking either option, making it a dream or making it real, but instead trying to have it both ways.

Thanks, I wonder where that picture is! It would be cool to put them together, yeah! We'd both have new outfits!

I love Cinderella's new wig, I think it's better. I also like the dress better. What's wrong with Aurora's dress length? I hate that they changed Aurora's signature hair. Now that is a crime.

Yes, maybe I will meet the Fairy Godmother since she's back!

I get what you mean about the dream lands.

Hey guys, I actually did find pictures of me with every princess at Cinderella's Royal Table! And I was right, Snow White was there! Anyway, here's me and that great Ariel:

Yes hopefully you find it!

Really, because I hate her new bangs. I would expect to see girls in high school with hair and bangs like that, not Cinderella. Aurora's hair actually doesn't look that different to me. Her skirt is ankle length and not as long as it is in the movies. Her shoes shouldn't be visible but they are in the parks.

Hopefully so!

Love that pic! She really does look so expressive so I see what you mean.

[Disney Duster]

I love Cinderella's bangs, her whole hair! All I need them to do is pleat the front of her dress!

Aurora's bangs are the ones that were ruined. They got rid of her signature curl on the left (her left) bangs.

I know, right, that Ariel looks so much like...well, Ariel! Oh, and thank you!

[D82]

It makes it easier to let the audience know that this is the villain because he looks inhuman and almost demonic. There's no in-universe explanation but a deleted scene reveals that originally Shan Yu's falcon (Hayabusa) had a special bond with Shan Yu. Shan Yu could see through the falcon's eyes so he did have at least one magical skill, besides being able to survive an avalanche.

Yes, a normal human couldn't have survived that avalanche. I bet that magical skill you mentioned he originally had is the reason of his look in the final film. It doesn't make sense, though, after removing that element given that in the final film he's supposedly a normal person. Of course, making him easily recognizable as the villain must also be one of the reasons. It's curious how they do the opposite nowadays with the surprise villains.

Yes, Return to Oz and Oz the Great and Powerful both did the same thing. Although it's a little weird in Oz the Great and Powerful because the characters are all clearly based on people that Oz already knew but unlike the other two films, he never "wakes up" at the end. He chooses to stay in Oz so technically that could suggest that he never left his dream. I've heard some people think this meant he died in the tornado.

It's kinda weird in Burton's AiW because Wonderland/Underland is clearly a real place and Alice only thought it was a dream. The Oz parallels don't exactly work there.

I haven't seen Oz the Great and Powerful since its release, so I didn't remember if that happened there as well or not. I guess it's a tradition now to have that element in a film about Oz.

From what I'm remember, they didn't make it completely clear it wasn't a dream in Tim Burton's film, but maybe I'm mistaken.