Just out of interest, what did you think of The Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh?Prince Edward wrote:Simply awful. Disney does not care about protecting their legacy or about traditional animation, the art form that made Disney what it is today.
Tangled was cute, but not the masterpiece that Rapunzel could have been if they had kept it in 2D and a darker and more serious look, as seen in their art of Tangled book. Keane should have had the chance to make this movie as he envisioned it. The same thing is now happening to The Snow Queen, pardon, "Frozen". It's going to be a 3D film and guess ten times if it will be a serious and dark fairytale or a fluffy and generic one? Disney have deserted traditional animation. When Disney will not make 2D, then who will?
Disney does not know how to take care of and appriciate their talented artists. They seem to have lost their will to experience and to push for creative changes in the field of animation. It has been many years since Disney last held the initiative in the world of animation, the 90s seems far gone...
Glen Keane Left Disney
Oh boy, I have some very strong opinions about this, so hold on tight...
Glen Keane might just be one of the most talented Disney animators of all time, at times rivaling the work done by the Nine Old Men. His characters were always complex and full of life, even if they were supposed to be just street rats or Native American women. His work is awesome and should always be celebrated.
That being said... I find all the doom and gloom about his leaving to be jarring and annoying. Yes, I get that he is a beloved Disney legend, but I find it amazing that people are both so ignorant about the facts and claiming that this will kill Disney animation for good.
First off, Disney animators leaving Disney is nothing new. Many animators would work for Disney and then leave to either work for other studios or form their own. The 40s strike took many Disney animators away from Disney, Don Bluth worked for Disney and then form his own studio and made his own movies. James Baxter did independent work after he worked at Disney. Eric Goldberg did a lot of commercials before and after working at Disney. So many significant people have come and gone at the studios. What I find the most disheartening of all is that people are claiming that Glen Keane's departure will kill Disney animation...
Let me put it this way... Disney animation did not stop when Walt Disney was focusing on live action movies and theme parks. Disney animation did not die when Walt Disney died. When the Nine Old Men were retiring or had passed away, Disney animation did not die. So what happened then? It kept evolving through the periods. Some were rougher than others but through it all Disney animation survived, even when key players weren't present to see the process evolve.
Will the studio ever be the same without Keane? Of course it won't just like it was never the same when Walt Disney died or the Nine Old Men stopped doing animation. Disney gained a new identity when those people left the helm to be attended by others, and now we are entering a new era of Disney animation, an era we might not agree on but so far has produced solid to amazing work.
So to Glen Keane I say thank you for all the memories and may your new wishes come true.
To all the fans saying that this is the end as we know it, calm the heck down!
Glen Keane might just be one of the most talented Disney animators of all time, at times rivaling the work done by the Nine Old Men. His characters were always complex and full of life, even if they were supposed to be just street rats or Native American women. His work is awesome and should always be celebrated.
That being said... I find all the doom and gloom about his leaving to be jarring and annoying. Yes, I get that he is a beloved Disney legend, but I find it amazing that people are both so ignorant about the facts and claiming that this will kill Disney animation for good.
First off, Disney animators leaving Disney is nothing new. Many animators would work for Disney and then leave to either work for other studios or form their own. The 40s strike took many Disney animators away from Disney, Don Bluth worked for Disney and then form his own studio and made his own movies. James Baxter did independent work after he worked at Disney. Eric Goldberg did a lot of commercials before and after working at Disney. So many significant people have come and gone at the studios. What I find the most disheartening of all is that people are claiming that Glen Keane's departure will kill Disney animation...
Let me put it this way... Disney animation did not stop when Walt Disney was focusing on live action movies and theme parks. Disney animation did not die when Walt Disney died. When the Nine Old Men were retiring or had passed away, Disney animation did not die. So what happened then? It kept evolving through the periods. Some were rougher than others but through it all Disney animation survived, even when key players weren't present to see the process evolve.
Will the studio ever be the same without Keane? Of course it won't just like it was never the same when Walt Disney died or the Nine Old Men stopped doing animation. Disney gained a new identity when those people left the helm to be attended by others, and now we are entering a new era of Disney animation, an era we might not agree on but so far has produced solid to amazing work.
So to Glen Keane I say thank you for all the memories and may your new wishes come true.
To all the fans saying that this is the end as we know it, calm the heck down!
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Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... rture.htmlSteve Hulett wrote:Glen, last I heard, was in the old animation building on the main lot developing projects. Now he has tendered his resignation. Maybe he was having "creative differences" with the powers that be, maybe it was something else.
All I know is, when I talked to him in the hat building some months back, he told me he "was looking around" at different options and wasn't sure he would stay at Disney past Tangled. He didn't seem particularly ferklempt about it. He'd enjoyed his run but thought he might go elsewhere.
Maybe because the studio has decades of tradition to live up to.qindarka wrote:Disney have brought back hand-drawn in 2009 (The Princess and the Frog) and 2011 (Winnie the Pooh). I don't think that's too long ago. Disney are the only western animation studio which has made hand-drawn animated films in recent history. I don't get why its Disney who always ets the flak for not doing hand-drawn.TsWade2 wrote:I guess we'll never know when Disney is going to bring hand drawn again. But right now Disney is being chickenshit.
Pixar and Dreamworks are relatively young studios where in Dreamworks' case, they were unable to develop a niche with their own hand-drawn features. Pixar has done extremely well with CGI since its founding, and with the exception of "Night & Day", has had no reason to invest in hand-drawn art.
Disney defined American animated features for decades, and for so long was the only studio that held the "secret" to making them. That time has long since passed, since the few hand-drawn movies they are making can barely make a profit. Disney is still playing catch-up with at least FOUR competitors that have established their own niches in animated filmmaking.
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Oh, come on! The "truth" isn't even fact, it's opinion! And by the way, the so-called "truth" is coming from someone who makes up bull to dislike Beauty and the Beast.
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You know what? Just because you have an opinion doesn't give you the right to use it to talk down to others, Lazario. And with an attitude against amazing Disney films like Beauty and the Beast, I kind of hope your 'Unbanned' status gets switched around. Because one of these days, your rash opinions could get you into a bit of trouble...
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Hope springs eternal.DisneyJedi wrote:You know what? Just because you have an opinion doesn't give you the right to use it to talk down to others, Lazario. And with an attitude against amazing Disney films like Beauty and the Beast, I kind of hope your 'Unbanned' status gets switched around.
But you have no affect on me either way. You're clearly throwing a fit because you don't like what I have to say. Tough. That's the world we live in. Beauty and the Beast is freakishly overrated and people love it because it's so simple, it doesn't require them to think. And Princess and the Frog is lousy. Fact. Grosses don't mean shit. And public opinion doesn't mean very much either. What do you honestly think the public really think about films like Citizen Kane? If the whole nation decided to watch the film together, most people would fall asleep. Does that mean they know a goddamn thing about cinematic quality? Let me put it to you this way: aren't they still making Twilight films? Didn't they just release Big Momma's House 3 about a year ago? They made THREE Alvin and the Chipmunks movies. Need I say more??
Anyway, don't you ever presume to judge me. If you act like a child, I'm going to treat you like one. There's no talking-down about it. Children shouldn't be on this board anyway.
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Calm down, guys. Both of you have different tastes and like different films. Its perfectly fine for Lazario to dislike BATB and TPATF and also perfectly fine for DisneyJedi to like those two films. Taste in films is inherently subjective and lets not attack each other for liking or not liking a particular film.
Edit: But Lazario is right in that factors such as popular opinion, critical approval and box-office earnings do not necessarily reflect quality.
Edit: But Lazario is right in that factors such as popular opinion, critical approval and box-office earnings do not necessarily reflect quality.
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First of all, you hope he is banned because he doesn't like Beauty and the Beast? You always "hope" for such harsh consequences for people because they don't like the things you like, or do the things you want them to.. I recall you wishing death upon someone too (the reason escapes me.. but is was irrational).DisneyJedi wrote:You know what? Just because you have an opinion doesn't give you the right to use it to talk down to others, Lazario. And with an attitude against amazing Disney films like Beauty and the Beast, I kind of hope your 'Unbanned' status gets switched around. Because one of these days, your rash opinions could get you into a bit of trouble...
Secondly, I don't see where he was talking down to anyone.. he was expressing his opinion. If anything, you started talking badly towards him (basically wishing he gets banned).
Don't get me wrong, I love Princess and the Frog.. but honestly, I think you get out of hand sometimes.
"Good and bad are labels created by people. Nature doesn't have such concepts."
It's sad that Glen won't be doing any more animation for Disney, but he was there for a long time. I don't blame him for wanting to try something different, and give some younger Disney animators a chance to shine.
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I have the right to talk ABOUT films any way I want to. You're just throwing a fit because you don't like that I am being abrasive toward films you like.DisneyJedi wrote:No, I hope he gets banned because he claims he can just use his opinions/so-called "facts" about certain things to talk down to everyone.
Have I actually in the process talked down to anyone? No. I admit I don't really care who likes these movies and that's what bothers you. But guess what... I don't care about that either. Again, children - or people who insist on acting like children so much that they want others banned for talking harshly about movies - shouldn't be on this board. I won't say you should be banned but I will say you probably don't belong here. People really don't like members who throw temper tantrums.
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