Psycon wrote:I was wondering though - do any of you guys think that Jac and Gus
could've been the inspiration behind Chip and Dale?
Perhaps the other way around. Chip and Dale first appeared in <i>Private Pluto</i> (1943) and returned several times when <i>Cinderella</i> would have been in various stages of production. One can draw parallels, but I don't know how much the two pairs have in common.
Jacques/Chip is the self-appointed leader of the two, he comes up with the ideas.
Gus/Dale is rather dim at times, and often does some rather foolish things that leave Jacques/Chip in the mess of things.
Jacques/Chip has a kind of higher-pitched fast-paced voice. Gus/Dale (at least later Dale) has the slightly lower and slightly slower voice.
I dunno, I'm just grabbing at straws here...
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yendor wrote: I actually think the stepmother says "the pear-shaped tones" to the stepsisters before they sing. "Pear-shaped tones" basically means that they should pronounce their words correctly. And how do I know this? From the special edition of "Singing in the Rain!" There's an absolutely hilarious scene where Lina LaMonte (a dead-on "blonde bimbo") is being told by her vocal coach to use "pear shaped tones" when she speaks.
Ah! Why, thank you very much! You remind me of how long it's been since I've seen Singing in the Rain.
And just to let you know, I find nothing wrong with watching it frame-by-frame...I know that I'll be doing that with my copy! I've watched Disney VHS sequences in slow motion, watched entire movies on mute just to watch the animation. I LOVE these movies and love catching as many little nuances as I can. I also like to watch it and only watch the characters who AREN'T the focus of the scene...sidekicks have GREAT moments that are easy to miss when you're paying attention to your leads. And I totally agree with you about the wonderful fine touches with Cinderella's expressions, the transformations and Ilene Woods' lovely, sincere voice. That "Sing Sweet Nightengale" sequence is absolutely gorgeous, isn't it?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet in this thread, but the Tribute to Walt's Nine Old Men is absolutely wonderful. Seeing some of today's top talent in animation discussing the work and personalities of these classic artists was easily the highlight of the set for me. Anybody with an interest in animation (which probably includes most posters on this board) should definitely check this one out.
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We were watching cinderella today and my sone notices the Goofy scream in it, I heard it to on was on the computer with my back to the screen. it is when the Prince says he must have the person who wore the slipper
the transfer is brillant. I did not watch the ESPN Classics extra nor the extreme makeover extra, they are wasting disc space. However, many of the extras are of very high quality such as the making of, cinderella that never was, art of Mary Blair, and The Laugh O-Gram short.
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I must say Disney put a very lazy effort into it. Not just the extras but the lack of disc art as well; why don't do it if they did it with all their other movies? (including non PE).
Also, I didn't like the fact that they used the same blue color as Aladdin. Why not use baby blue for example? I do mind this, not because it was the same color as the Aladdin one was but because never before a PE used the same color as other one.
The menus were also a joke: bland and boring.
Other than that, the picture does look great... and I guess the sound as well; can't tell because I'm watching it right now late at night.
...and the movie was better than I had expected it to be.
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Psycon wrote:I was wondering though - do any of you guys think that Jac and Gus
could've been the inspiration behind Chip and Dale?
Perhaps the other way around. Chip and Dale first appeared in <i>Private Pluto</i> (1943) and returned several times when <i>Cinderella</i> would have been in various stages of production. One can draw parallels, but I don't know how much the two pairs have in common.
Thanks for pointing that out, Luke. Guess I'm not quite up to scratch with my Disney history.
BrandonH wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet in this thread, but the Tribute to Walt's Nine Old Men is absolutely wonderful. Seeing some of today's top talent in animation discussing the work and personalities of these classic artists was easily the highlight of the set for me. Anybody with an interest in animation (which probably includes most posters on this board) should definitely check this one out.
I agree that the Nine Old Men feature was very nice. However, seeing all the great talent sitting around that table and thinking about the recent lack of quality stories made me wonder what is wrong with the Disney of today. Guys like Don Hahn, Brad Bird, Glen Keane, Mark Henn, Andreas Deja, John Musker, Ron Clements all have incredible (no pun intended) talent and have proven track records. But the last 8 or 10 years have been pretty disappointing for Walt Disney animation. And right now, the future looks just as bleak without any hand-drawn features in the pipeline. What a waste of talent.
Before we knock the quality of the Cindrella Platinum Edition, let us all give thanks for the Disney is not Universal in terms of care of their movies. I just received Hitchcock's Masterpiece Collection and Cindrella in the mail, and the Cindrella DVD even with the ESPN and music video nonsense is miles better than Hitchcock's Collection. Here are my notes on the Hitchcock collection
1) There is one commentary (Vertigo) out of 14 movies. And believe me there is no shortage of people who be willing to do a commentary on Hitchcock's movies. Psycho should have had two commentaries.
2) The cases are busy and ugly. Each case holds four discs it is extremely hard to take out the bottom ones out.
3) I have seen Public Domain releases with better looking menus.
4) The box is bulky and hard to put the cases in. This box is just unbelievably bad engineering.
OK the making of documentaries are good and the transfers are beautiful so it least the most important things are taken care of.
If this was average material I would understand, but this is Hitchcock who was part owner of Universal for a time. These are cinema masterpieces, Vertigo, Psycho, Rear Window, Shadow Of A Doubt and The Birds, and other companies would have cared more for their releases. I can understand having limited bonus material on the other nine pictures as these movies are not generally masterpieces.
Quite honestly, of all the major home video companies, Universal is clearly the worst. The Hitchcock set got a decent treatment, but Universal has released really crappy sets of the Marx Brothers and W.C. Fields. FFrom a classic movie standpoint (pre 1970), the quality DVD releases have been the Legacy Monster series. Otherwise, Universal which owns a large portion of Paramount movies as well, cares little for it movies. (Note I am not including Lionsgate as a major player but their releases are poor as well. The most infamous are their releases is the Laurel & Hardy Sons Of The Deserts that comes complete with the TV commercial fade.)
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Well, I've watched the majority of stuff on the DVD (minus the fluff and some of the audio supplements on Disc 2), so I think that it's time for me to be the judge on the things on the DVD...
Movie:
I have quite fond memories of Cinderella, being one of my first movies and all, and I wasn't disappointed on watching it again; seeing the charming animation and art direction was worth the trip, yet despite being based on a cliched tale, the story itself still seemed great. Cinderella and the Prince are ciphers, but due to the strength and aid of supporting characters, even this is pretty much covered up. And I can safely say that the character that binds everything in the story together is a masterpiece of cinematic villainy; I forgot how Lady Tremaine is easily one of Disney's most strongest and complex characters. All in all, whilst imperfect, I fell in love with Cinderella once again, as it provides a touching film with lush and graceful animation.
Overall rating: 8/10 (maybe 8.5)
Picture:
This technically reaches perfection, as the colours, details and other things seem so wonderful. However, I think that it seems a victim of its own success, as it seems too pure and almost like it came off the CAPS system. Whilst it doesn't hinder the quality of the movie, I would have liked it not to have looked flawless in every single way. I would have given a 10, but due to my preferences, it'll lose a mark.
Overall rating: 9/10
Sound:
I listened to the mono track and I must say that I was astounded at how good it sounded compared to not only the unrestored sound (you can hear the somewhat crackly nature of the original source in the clips of the making of on Disc 2) but also to mono tracks on other Disney DVDs.
Bonus Materials:
When I saw all the hatred surrounding it online, I thought "uh oh". However, I think that people were judging it too much on the fact that Princess and ESPN plop was on there, as a lot of the stuff, at least in my opinion, seemed pretty much solid. True, there was no audio commentary, which although a shame, isn't the biggest tragedy and not the most important feature in my opinion. On the topic of Disc 2, I was quite impressed. The "Making Of" didn't seem as good as those on Aladdin and Mary Poppins, but still fairly informative and I learnt some new information. I liked the Perry Como clip as well, even if a bit cheesy. The "From Walt's Table" documentary was also quite nice, even if not entirely Cinderella related. The galleries were also good, and much bigger than on previous releases, and for once, there were multiple trailers (beat that Bambi!)! I also found the "Cinderella that never was" feature pretty good, and the deleted scenes were fun to watch, though I can understand why they ended up in the bin. My personal favourite, however, was "The Art of Mary Blair" feature. I am a huge fan of her work, and it was fascinating learning more about her and how she influenced films and cartoons. Overall, I actually found the bonus materials underrated and I think that whilst not as good as those on Aladdin, would easily rank up there with Bambi, and quite possibly could surprass Beauty and the Beast's features.
Overall rating: 9/10
I'm a bit disappointed with this release. The extras are lacking a bit and most of them are aimed predominantly towards very young children - as if Disney has yet to understand that there is a huge market out there for its classics among adult fans (and the Snow White Platinum Edition really fulfilled this in my opinion).
I actually think the stepmother says "the pear-shaped tones" to the stepsisters before they sing. "Pear-shaped tones" basically means that they should pronounce their words correctly. And how do I know this? From the special edition of "Singing in the Rain!" There's an absolutely hilarious scene where Lina LaMonte (a dead-on "blonde bimbo") is being told by her vocal coach to use "pear shaped tones" when she speaks. 
