This is also my pick for the worst films of all time.littlefuzzy wrote:Daddy Day Camp - Poor sequel to Daddy Day Care, without the original actors. As the tilte implies, this time it's a summer camp, complete with the standard " mean rich camp" neighbor, and a competition between the two camps. A pale imititation of the first, complete with stolen gags.
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Second viewing of Bill Maher's movie about religion (and all its crazy and dangerous sides, which profoundly influence our society) made me appreciate it even more. It's not a mean-spirited movie; it's not really Maher who's making religion seem ridiculous; its the willing religious participants themselves. Like the US senator who doesn't believe in evolution, gets told by Bill it's scary to have people in power who don't accept science, then says "you don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate", laughs at his own remark... and then suddenly realizes what he just said and that it was caught on tape.
Most of all, this movie adequately makes two great points.
First, it points to all the ways in which religion gets corrupted. It gets used by people to personally profit from it. Like the 'Jesus themepark' in Florida (it's better than Disneyland!); the Creationist Museum; preachers in designer clothes, lizard-leather shoes and gold watches who got their money from the people in their congegration; televangelists begging for money; the elaborately luxurous Vatican etc. It's all very far removed from what Jesus supposedly taught, like taking care of the poor, live humbly etc. Instead, religion has become commercialized. Another way in which it has become corrupted, is because of how much is done in the name of religion, when it's actually not in the Holy Books. Like having a Pope; or casting judgement onto others (supposedly, that was God's work, not humans'); and hating gays, even though Jesus never said a word about it. I would also say all the hypocrisy that's touched upon in the movie falls under this point, like the Jewish inventor who made all kinds of inventions to 'get around' not being allowed to do anything on the sabbath; or the selective quoting from the holy texts done by, well, all participants in the documentary.
Second, it points out the absurdities, inconsistencies and unlikelihoods in religion, and how most people who claim to be super-religious either don't know or don't care about them. My favorite part is where it's explained to people in the Jesus theme park in Florida, how the lifestory of Jesus (as found in the gospels) is a collection of plagarized elements from much older god-stories of other cultures from the Meditterenean area. The story of the Egyptian god Horus, for example, is nearly identical to that of Jesus, even though it's much older. Yes, the details are changed, but otherwise the stories are the same. (Like the story of Noah is an almost literal copy of the Greek myth of Deucalion, which in turn was based on the much older Gilgamesj epos.) The movie also points to absurdities like, if we followed the Old Testament, we should put people to death who worked on the sabbath. And if religious people say that "doesn't count" anymore nowadays or that we shouldn't take it "literal", what does their faith mean anyway?
Luckily, all of this is presented in a very funny way to avoid it becoming preachy. That's the reason the movie works so well: it's not Bill preaching; it's using humor to let religion unmask itself. One of my problems is that it doesn't give all religions equal time. More than an hour is spend on Christianity, Islam gets nearly half an hour, the Jews maybe 10 minutes (although it could be argued their Thora is our Old Testament, so that got covered as well), and the rest is devoted to the 'funny' stuff like Scientology and Mormonism.
The other problem I have with the movie, is that Bill uses the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as an example of religion leading to violence, and he paints "the muslims" as the agressors (as opposed to "the Palestinian terrorists" or even "the Palestinians") and the Israeli's as innocent victims who did nothing to deserve this violence. It's true the fight is about so-called 'Holy land', but I believe one should see this conflict in political terms, not in religious terms. And I believe Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian terrorities are the no.1 reason for the support of organizations like Hamas amongst "the muslims". To be fair, watching his show Real Time the last few weeks, it seems Bill has made a rather big turn on this subject (more toward my point of view), but that obviously doesn't absolve him from putting wrong-headed ideas in an otherwise great film.
Bill also went to Amsterdam to interview some people and to pay attention to the assassination of Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh. He got murdered in broad daylight in the middle of Amsterdam in 2004, by a muslim extremist who was angry with him for making a short film about the violence within Islam (well, he proved him right, didn't he?!). Unfortunately, Bill also gave almost one whole minute of screentime to Geert Wilders, an extreme-right politician who believes all 1 million muslims in The Netherlands want to violently take over power to impose sharia law on us; and he seriously proposes taking all their civil rights from them. And this was the man Bill gave legitimacy by having him in his movie and agreeing with him. Well, Wilders was right when he said Islam is a violent religion. Unfortunately, he didn't say he doesn't think all other religions are violent (like Bill believes) and that he gets funded by extreme-right Israeli conservatives who propose ethnical cleansing of the occupied territories... I think the audience should know that to be able to weigh Wilders' words.
But enough about those minor negative details. I'm nitpicking here and I'm making a far bigger deal out of it than it actually is (because it concerns my country and how it is seen by others). This was a great film and I highly recommend it to everybody --provided they have a sense of humor and are open to critical thinking (even if it goes against their own beliefs).
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Second viewing of Bill Maher's movie about religion (and all its crazy and dangerous sides, which profoundly influence our society) made me appreciate it even more. It's not a mean-spirited movie; it's not really Maher who's making religion seem ridiculous; its the willing religious participants themselves. Like the US senator who doesn't believe in evolution, gets told by Bill it's scary to have people in power who don't accept science, then says "you don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate", laughs at his own remark... and then suddenly realizes what he just said and that it was caught on tape.
Most of all, this movie adequately makes two great points.
First, it points to all the ways in which religion gets corrupted. It gets used by people to personally profit from it. Like the 'Jesus themepark' in Florida (it's better than Disneyland!); the Creationist Museum; preachers in designer clothes, lizard-leather shoes and gold watches who got their money from the people in their congegration; televangelists begging for money; the elaborately luxurous Vatican etc. It's all very far removed from what Jesus supposedly taught, like taking care of the poor, live humbly etc. Instead, religion has become commercialized. Another way in which it has become corrupted, is because of how much is done in the name of religion, when it's actually not in the Holy Books. Like having a Pope; or casting judgement onto others (supposedly, that was God's work, not humans'); and hating gays, even though Jesus never said a word about it. I would also say all the hypocrisy that's touched upon in the movie falls under this point, like the Jewish inventor who made all kinds of inventions to 'get around' not being allowed to do anything on the sabbath; or the selective quoting from the holy texts done by, well, all participants in the documentary.
Second, it points out the absurdities, inconsistencies and unlikelihoods in religion, and how most people who claim to be super-religious either don't know or don't care about them. My favorite part is where it's explained to people in the Jesus theme park in Florida, how the lifestory of Jesus (as found in the gospels) is a collection of plagarized elements from much older god-stories of other cultures from the Meditterenean area. The story of the Egyptian god Horus, for example, is nearly identical to that of Jesus, even though it's much older. Yes, the details are changed, but otherwise the stories are the same. (Like the story of Noah is an almost literal copy of the Greek myth of Deucalion, which in turn was based on the much older Gilgamesj epos.) The movie also points to absurdities like, if we followed the Old Testament, we should put people to death who worked on the sabbath. And if religious people say that "doesn't count" anymore nowadays or that we shouldn't take it "literal", what does their faith mean anyway?
Luckily, all of this is presented in a very funny way to avoid it becoming preachy. That's the reason the movie works so well: it's not Bill preaching; it's using humor to let religion unmask itself. One of my problems is that it doesn't give all religions equal time. More than an hour is spend on Christianity, Islam gets nearly half an hour, the Jews maybe 10 minutes (although it could be argued their Thora is our Old Testament, so that got covered as well), and the rest is devoted to the 'funny' stuff like Scientology and Mormonism.
The other problem I have with the movie, is that Bill uses the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as an example of religion leading to violence, and he paints "the muslims" as the agressors (as opposed to "the Palestinian terrorists" or even "the Palestinians") and the Israeli's as innocent victims who did nothing to deserve this violence. It's true the fight is about so-called 'Holy land', but I believe one should see this conflict in political terms, not in religious terms. And I believe Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian terrorities are the no.1 reason for the support of organizations like Hamas amongst "the muslims". To be fair, watching his show Real Time the last few weeks, it seems Bill has made a rather big turn on this subject (more toward my point of view), but that obviously doesn't absolve him from putting wrong-headed ideas in an otherwise great film.
Bill also went to Amsterdam to interview some people and to pay attention to the assassination of Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh. He got murdered in broad daylight in the middle of Amsterdam in 2004, by a muslim extremist who was angry with him for making a short film about the violence within Islam (well, he proved him right, didn't he?!). Unfortunately, Bill also gave almost one whole minute of screentime to Geert Wilders, an extreme-right politician who believes all 1 million muslims in The Netherlands want to violently take over power to impose sharia law on us; and he seriously proposes taking all their civil rights from them. And this was the man Bill gave legitimacy by having him in his movie and agreeing with him. Well, Wilders was right when he said Islam is a violent religion. Unfortunately, he didn't say he doesn't think all other religions are violent (like Bill believes) and that he gets funded by extreme-right Israeli conservatives who propose ethnical cleansing of the occupied territories... I think the audience should know that to be able to weigh Wilders' words.
But enough about those minor negative details. I'm nitpicking here and I'm making a far bigger deal out of it than it actually is (because it concerns my country and how it is seen by others). This was a great film and I highly recommend it to everybody --provided they have a sense of humor and are open to critical thinking (even if it goes against their own beliefs).
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Yeah, I'll just give out my 2 cents since I live in Israel, and really not looking for a debate BUT it has been proven throughout many different surveys that the majority of Palestinians don't actually support Hamas, so illegal occupations or not, no one - Israeli or Palesinitan - really wants Hamas with power and no side really has any say in the matter. So basically the only to find out what the conflict was ever about would be to actually have leadership on BOTH sides that represents the respective sides' interests.Goliath wrote:It's true the fight is about so-called 'Holy land', but I believe one should see this conflict in political terms, not in religious terms. And I believe Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian terrorities are the no.1 reason for the support of organizations like Hamas amongst "the muslims".
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I don't know about that. I mean, I don't know what the turn-out was the last (and ONLY) time the Palestinians held real, democratic elections, but Hamas (who initially didn't want to participate, but were convinced by the West (!) to join, because the election would look like a sham otherwise) won big. Of course, even though Western observers said the voting was entirely democratic, 'we' (the West) decided to not recognize the outcome and instead keep doing business with Fatah, which is perceived as largely corrupt by most Palestinians.Disney-Fan wrote:Yeah, I'll just give out my 2 cents since I live in Israel, and really not looking for a debate BUT it has been proven throughout many different surveys that the majority of Palestinians don't actually support Hamas, so illegal occupations or not, no one - Israeli or Palesinitan - really wants Hamas with power and no side really has any say in the matter. So basically the only to find out what the conflict was ever about would be to actually have leadership on BOTH sides that represents the respective sides' interests.
I'm not saying I'm in favor of Hamas or that I condone their practices (in fact, I very much do not!), but they do have much support among Palestinians, at least according to that vote (if you could show me different, unbiased surveys I would be glad to take a look at them) and I think it's a gross mischaracterization to paint that in terms of religion. We know, for example, that Hamas has provided schooling, housing and health care to Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have had anything. Now of course the 'schooling' includes a lot of hate-filled propaganda, and this doesn't make Hamas a peaceful charity organisation ("Hitler created many jobs and build great highways, too!"), but it *is* an explanation for their popularity.
I have seen so many reports about what it's like to live under Israeli occupation and how it makes a normal life for Palestinians literally impossible, that I can see why they should be attracted to radical organizations like Hamas. I don't think it has much to do with becoming a martyr and getting 72 virgins in the afterlife. If that were the case, why aren't millions of muslims in the West committing suicide-bombings to get to become martyrs? All I wanted to say is, I don't believe it's mostly about religion. It's mostly politics, I think.
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A democratic vote doesn't mean it was a fair one. It's been known throughout history that there are many ways to win a vote, with fear being a big factor in these votes. But yes I will agree that today it's more a conflict over politics more than anything else, but religion does still play a heavy factor (or substantial enough "excuse" any time the fighting starts on either side - depends on your POV really).Goliath wrote:I don't know about that. I mean, I don't know what the turn-out was the last (and ONLY) time the Palestinians held real, democratic elections, but Hamas (who initially didn't want to participate, but were convinced by the West (!) to join, because the election would look like a sham otherwise) won big. Of course, even though Western observers said the voting was entirely democratic, 'we' (the West) decided to not recognize the outcome and instead keep doing business with Fatah, which is perceived as largely corrupt by most Palestinians.Disney-Fan wrote:Yeah, I'll just give out my 2 cents since I live in Israel, and really not looking for a debate BUT it has been proven throughout many different surveys that the majority of Palestinians don't actually support Hamas, so illegal occupations or not, no one - Israeli or Palesinitan - really wants Hamas with power and no side really has any say in the matter. So basically the only to find out what the conflict was ever about would be to actually have leadership on BOTH sides that represents the respective sides' interests.
...I don't believe it's mostly about religion. It's mostly politics, I think.
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Had rented The King's Speech on Blu-Ray this morning before work at a local redbox kiosk. Just got finished watching it and what an amazing movie. Normally wouldn't be something I would be interested in but heard so many people raving about it just had to see it. Great cast, granted at times the language was a bit much but for the most part a great enjoyable film. Definitely suggest it to any history buffs and or fans of English Films.
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I haven't seen, read or heard anything which was cause enough for me to doubt the fairness of the elections and neither did the international observers. Oh, I know there are lots of countries which call themselves 'democratic' but don't have fair elections --take Russia, for example, a de-facto one-party state. But you won't find one independant observer who would say elections there are fair. Like I said, if you could show me some of the surveys you were talking about, I'll be glad to look into them. About the rest, I think we are in agreement.Disney-Fan wrote:A democratic vote doesn't mean it was a fair one. It's been known throughout history that there are many ways to win a vote, with fear being a big factor in these votes. But yes I will agree that today it's more a conflict over politics more than anything else, but religion does still play a heavy factor (or substantial enough "excuse" any time the fighting starts on either side - depends on your POV really).
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Eastern Promises (2007)
Thriller/action movie about a woman who inadvertently gets tangled up with the Russian mob. It piles horrible cliché upon horrible cliché and still expects the viewer to care what happens with the wooden, underdeveloped characters.
Disney's Rapunzel (2010)
Last time I watched it was only April 10th! I have never before watched a Disney movie twice in that small an amount of time (not counting audio commentaries). Usually, it takes at least half a year, but most of the times even longer, before I want to watch the same one again. But I just couldn't put it off; I wanted to watch it again so badly. So I did, and again, I enjoyed every minute of it. There's not a dull or weak moment in it! I even got goosebumps during the 'I See the Light'-sequence and the part where Flynn says "you were my new dream". I got emotional by it. Yes, me! (I admit it!) The only issue I now have with the film, is that it seems weird that Mother Gothel has been living with Rapunzel for 18 years, yet has no inner conflict over manipulating her the way she does. Other than that: incredible movie! Love Many Moore's voice-work; and that Snugly Duckling-sequence is already legendary.
Thriller/action movie about a woman who inadvertently gets tangled up with the Russian mob. It piles horrible cliché upon horrible cliché and still expects the viewer to care what happens with the wooden, underdeveloped characters.
Disney's Rapunzel (2010)
Last time I watched it was only April 10th! I have never before watched a Disney movie twice in that small an amount of time (not counting audio commentaries). Usually, it takes at least half a year, but most of the times even longer, before I want to watch the same one again. But I just couldn't put it off; I wanted to watch it again so badly. So I did, and again, I enjoyed every minute of it. There's not a dull or weak moment in it! I even got goosebumps during the 'I See the Light'-sequence and the part where Flynn says "you were my new dream". I got emotional by it. Yes, me! (I admit it!) The only issue I now have with the film, is that it seems weird that Mother Gothel has been living with Rapunzel for 18 years, yet has no inner conflict over manipulating her the way she does. Other than that: incredible movie! Love Many Moore's voice-work; and that Snugly Duckling-sequence is already legendary.
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How To Train Your Dragon
While I've heard good things about this, I was a little iffy, considering I don't usually like Dreamworks' animated films, but I was blown away! Even though the whole misfit protagonist bit is very overdone, this felt new. It was fresh, funny, adorable. The ending was predictable, but it did have a twist, which I thought was nice. I hadn't realized this was Chris Sanders, until after the movie, no wonder I liked it so much!
While I've heard good things about this, I was a little iffy, considering I don't usually like Dreamworks' animated films, but I was blown away! Even though the whole misfit protagonist bit is very overdone, this felt new. It was fresh, funny, adorable. The ending was predictable, but it did have a twist, which I thought was nice. I hadn't realized this was Chris Sanders, until after the movie, no wonder I liked it so much!
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Watched Air America (1990) on Blu-ray and had forgotten how much fun this movie was. Directed by Roger Spottiswoode and starring Robert Downey Jr., Mel Gibson, Nancy Travis and Lane Smith, it's the story of secret US airbase in Laos run by the CIA. The US denies all claims of its existence and when an US Senator arrives in country all hell breaks loose. This film is a lot of fun and the location photography is wonderful. This one will make you laugh a lot.
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Just the trailer for that makes me want to cringe. Kids deserve better movies than this crap.TheValentineBros wrote:This is also my pick for the worst films of all time.littlefuzzy wrote:Daddy Day Camp - Poor sequel to Daddy Day Care, without the original actors. As the tilte implies, this time it's a summer camp, complete with the standard " mean rich camp" neighbor, and a competition between the two camps. A pale imititation of the first, complete with stolen gags.
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damn, i thought you meant you watch that awesome tv show: Arthur (the aardvark). Can't forget D.W.!TheValentineBros wrote:Arthur (2011).
Some parts were funny, but it wasn't as spectacular. Nevertheless, it was decent.
Anyway, saw some Ranma 1/2. hilarious and awesome as always. The humor never gets old. I love Genma who is the main character's father. He's such an asshole even to his own son. Where as his son turn in to a girl when splash with cold water, he turned into a Giant Panda when splash with cold water. As a Panda he does't talk but communicate via written signs.
the gags and humor in this is just lol.
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Re: Daddy Day Camp - Yeah, it was cliched, and didn't hold a candle to Daddy Day Care (which wasn't a great masterpiece itself), however I have seen many films that are worse (several THIS MONTH!) The ___ Movie guys, Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2, Battlefield Earth, the list goes on...
I need to see Ranma 1/2 again! I like the 80s/90s anime a lot, I haven't really seen enough of the 2000s stuff to know what is bad or good, but if you listen to some teenage anime fans, anything before 2000 was cave drawings!
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Since my last post, I've watched:
Old School - Some guys with women trouble decide to start a fraternity, even though they aren't in college. Will Ferrell and friends are pretty good in this.
Ice Princess - A brainy girl discovers she has a talent for ice-skating, and has to choose between going to Harvard or becoming a professional skater. This was entertaining.
Short Circuit - The 80s film about the robot who becomes alive, one of my favorites from the 80s.
Beverly Hills Chihuahua - A pampered pet gets lost in Mexico. There were many parts to this talking animal film that I found a bit annoying, but it was still better than a ___ Movie.
Miss Congeniality - A Cinderella story of a tomboyish FBI agent that has to go undercover at a beauty pageant. This was pretty good.
Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous - After being turned into the "face" of the FBI, our agent discovers that she's become superficial. She has to race to save her friend from some kidnappers. - Not quite as good as the first, but still fun.
Pigs - Frat boy makes a bet to sleep with "every letter of the alphabet", meets an "X', and falls for her. I was pretty let down by this one, it throws a twist ending in there without any reason.
Ice Age - The first CG film from Blue Sky, this follows an unlikely "herd" of a mammoth, a sloth, and a sabre-toothed tiger as they try to return a lost child to his humans. I pull this out every now and then, along with the sequel.
Underdog - Disney's live-action version of the old cartoon show about a superhero dog. This has some groaner moments, and a few chuckles here and there.
Coming up next:
Ice Age: The Meltdown - After thinking he is the last mammoth, Manny meets up with a goofy female. I like this, although it loses something from the first one.
Also in line:
Ice Age 3
maybe Robots (since I've watched other Blue Sky stuff)
Short Circuit 2
I need to see Ranma 1/2 again! I like the 80s/90s anime a lot, I haven't really seen enough of the 2000s stuff to know what is bad or good, but if you listen to some teenage anime fans, anything before 2000 was cave drawings!
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Since my last post, I've watched:
Old School - Some guys with women trouble decide to start a fraternity, even though they aren't in college. Will Ferrell and friends are pretty good in this.
Ice Princess - A brainy girl discovers she has a talent for ice-skating, and has to choose between going to Harvard or becoming a professional skater. This was entertaining.
Short Circuit - The 80s film about the robot who becomes alive, one of my favorites from the 80s.
Beverly Hills Chihuahua - A pampered pet gets lost in Mexico. There were many parts to this talking animal film that I found a bit annoying, but it was still better than a ___ Movie.
Miss Congeniality - A Cinderella story of a tomboyish FBI agent that has to go undercover at a beauty pageant. This was pretty good.
Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous - After being turned into the "face" of the FBI, our agent discovers that she's become superficial. She has to race to save her friend from some kidnappers. - Not quite as good as the first, but still fun.
Pigs - Frat boy makes a bet to sleep with "every letter of the alphabet", meets an "X', and falls for her. I was pretty let down by this one, it throws a twist ending in there without any reason.
Ice Age - The first CG film from Blue Sky, this follows an unlikely "herd" of a mammoth, a sloth, and a sabre-toothed tiger as they try to return a lost child to his humans. I pull this out every now and then, along with the sequel.
Underdog - Disney's live-action version of the old cartoon show about a superhero dog. This has some groaner moments, and a few chuckles here and there.
Coming up next:
Ice Age: The Meltdown - After thinking he is the last mammoth, Manny meets up with a goofy female. I like this, although it loses something from the first one.
Also in line:
Ice Age 3
maybe Robots (since I've watched other Blue Sky stuff)
Short Circuit 2
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Unfortunately, I'm not talking about the aardvark named Arthur. Sorry. However, there is another Arthur movie coming out this year (and sadly, it's not an aardvark).Super Aurora wrote:damn, i thought you meant you watch that awesome tv show: Arthur (the aardvark). Can't forget D.W.!TheValentineBros wrote:Arthur (2011).
Some parts were funny, but it wasn't as spectacular. Nevertheless, it was decent.

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Yeah I know! It was great. I'm currently will be reading Urusei Yatsura manga as I never seen or read the series before.littlefuzzy wrote:
I need to see Ranma 1/2 again! I like the 80s/90s anime a lot, I haven't really seen enough of the 2000s stuff to know what is bad or good, but if you listen to some teenage anime fans, anything before 2000 was cave drawings!
Now I'm currently marathoning Rurouni Kenshin (one of my all time favorite animated series ever) since Japan just recently announced a new RK anime coming soon-...supposely a reboot.
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All I've found so far is in hebrew, bear with me... I'll keep looking.Goliath wrote:Like I said, if you could show me some of the surveys you were talking about, I'll be glad to look into them. About the rest, I think we are in agreement.
Anyway:
The Emperor's New Groove - Truly one of Disney's most underappreciated movies amongst it's panthion of classics. Laugh-a-minute from start to finish, with some real heart and morality to the story. To this day Kuzco and Yzma remain one of my favorite Disney duos. I can't believe I declared this a failure the first time around and am sure glad I gave my DVD another spin. Ever since I've just been loving this movie more and more with each consecutive viewing. 9/10 - If only for being pure comedy gold.
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Watched First Knight (1995) Blu-ray, Directed by Jerry Zucker and starring Sean Connery, Richard Gere, Julia Ormond and Ben Cross. This is just another story of the legend of King Arthur and his Queen Guinevere and Lancelot. Ben Cross is great in his role as the evil Malagant. Very good story and recommended viewing by those who haven't seen this version.
The only way to watch movies - Original Aspect Ratio!!!!
I LOVE my Blu-Ray Disc Player!
I LOVE my Blu-Ray Disc Player!

