The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part III

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:44 am

Yes! I finally saw it! And I am completely satisfied!

I have summed up my opinions on the following in a few words each.

Story: A little quick, but really satisfying.

Voice acting: The best of the best! ^_^

Songs: Amazing!

Overall: Go see it! You will NOT be disappointed!

zackiellovedisney · Post by **zackiellovedisney** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:56 pm

I really was surprised at this movie. I saw it yesterday and I knew Disney took a step up.
Story: A bit rushed but very creative
Characters: Tiana is a very powerful princess quite possibly my favorite. Prince Naveen I know is my favorite prince. He is spoiled and never had to do anything. I love Disney villains and Dr. Facilier is no exception. Villains haven't been good for a while so he is a step up. I just wish he had more backstory. He is charismatic like Hades but a good sorcerer and look like Jafar. Ray I thought would be annoying but was actually pretty good. Louis was a fun character but kinda sad about his dream since he is an alligator.
Music:They were suprisingly good my personal favorite being Friends On the Other Side.

PixarFan2006 · Post by **PixarFan2006** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:58 pm

There is already a thread for this.

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=25736

SmartAleck25 · Post by **SmartAleck25** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:00 pm

zackiellovedisney, here is the link to the Princess and the Frog Discussion Thread: http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... &start=760

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:49 pm

Okay, trying to put this to rest, look.

Yea, Mama Odie could have had a bigger part, I even wanted her too myself, but I think they were trying to have her make the protagonists solve their problem on their own. This fairy godmother didn't come in and magically do everything. The characters instead dug deeper and solved at least their main problem themselves. Though the magic she did do, revealing Charlotte as the princess away from the swamp, was something not Ray or Louis could have done, and the same goes for the marriage that made Tiana a real princess. In fact, it took them to fall in love themselves, and Mama Odie's matrimony, to solve all their problems.

Also, Mama Odie was enjoyable, but not the hillbillies.

And I totally like slapstick in films! Of course it's part of Disney and of course it has been good in Disney movies since they began! For an example, I liked the slapstick of Juju getting hurt as Mama Odie's seeing eye snake.

But as for the hillbillies, maybe it's that even though the animators tried to evoke Looney Tunes (which I love and find funny) and Ward Kimball (which I love and find funny) and perhaps the Three Stooges, maybe they did not do as good a job as those people they tried to mimic.

Or maybe I just can't laugh at people hitting themselves over and over again.

As for the alligators, yea, they were fine, too, I didn't have to endure them hitting themselves over and over again.

And maybe there's a way to have a character hit themselves over and over again in a better, more creative, more ingenius, more funny way, but I can't think of an example right now. I don't think that's happened in too many Disney films.

magicalwands · Post by **magicalwands** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:07 pm

Disney Duster wrote:Or maybe I just can't laugh at people hitting themselves over and over again.

As for the alligators, yea, they were fine, too, I didn't have to endure them hitting themselves over and over again.

And maybe there's a way to have a character hit themselves over and over again in a better, more creative, more ingenius, more funny way, but I can't think of an example right now. I don't think that's happened in too many Disney films.

It would have been better if they distinguished the characters more. Make the audience hate them, then it'd be funnier. For example, if Cinderella's godmother or Lady Tremaine in Lady and the Tramp had been hit over the hit with a club, I'd laugh my butt off. Why? Because Walt made their characters so malicious and vile. Then the opposing action of pain would make me feel all better!

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:05 pm

Moving on from the Beverly Hillbillies...

I was listening to both the Aladdin Soundtrack and the Princess and the Frog soundtrack and while listening to "A Whole New World" for the 400th billion time (:p) I realized what is missing from Princess and the Frog...A duet featuring Tiana and Naveen!

Seriously, I think that the "Down in New Orleans" reprise should have had a verse for Naveen. Sure, he participated in playing his guitar (forget the name of it), but I think having him sing a line in the song would have completed the scene for me, because it is about both Tiana and Naveen accomplishing their dreams.

Just my two cents...

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:32 pm

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you on that one, Pap. (And I think you're thinking of "ukelele."

) But yeah, that is the one thing that really felt missing. I guess it was the best thing that Randy Newman never knew he needed.

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:04 pm

Magicalwands, that is not it. It might make it funnier for you, and I might even find it funny, but it is the slapstick and jokes themselves I find unfunny. By the way, I hope you would never think such well-done, powerful, evil villains would fall to such slapstick in a classic Disney film.

Pap, I think you may be right, that may have helped the film and made it much better. Although, I suppose the other great films had teapots and crabs sing for them like Ray did...

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:48 pm

magicalwands wrote:
It would have been better if they distinguished the characters more. Make the audience hate them, then it'd be funnier. For example, if Cinderella's godmother or Lady Tremaine in Lady and the Tramp had been hit over the hit with a club, I'd laugh my butt off. Why? Because Walt made their characters so malicious and vile. Then the opposing action of pain would make me feel all better!

WAIT, WAT?!

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:54 pm

pap64 wrote:Moving on from the Beverly Hillbillies...

Come and listen to a story about a man not named Jed
A poor working man, but he kept his family fed,
In the future he must've died, so very sad mood
But now we meet Tiana who cooks her own food

Gumbo that is, cajun stuff, New Orleans, see?

Well you also need you know, Naveen's not a millionaire
Parents said "Nav, you're cut off, now grow a pair"
Said "New Orleans is the place you ought to be"
So he loaded up with Lawrence and sailed across the sea.

New Orleans, that is. Bayou pools, wishing stars.

Well now its time to say goodbye to Tiana and all her kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back a gain to this locality
To have a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality

Disney that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?.

albert

Elladorine · Post by **Elladorine** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:16 pm

I'll be singing that all night!!!

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:14 pm

Super Aurora wrote:
magicalwands wrote:
It would have been better if they distinguished the characters more. Make the audience hate them, then it'd be funnier. For example, if Cinderella's godmother or Lady Tremaine in Lady and the Tramp had been hit over the hit with a club, I'd laugh my butt off. Why? Because Walt made their characters so malicious and vile. Then the opposing action of pain would make me feel all better!
WAIT, WAT?!

I must have missed that crossover as well

as For Escapay New Orleans Hillbilly Frog Song..

PURE GENIUS I WANT THAT ON A REAL SOUNDTRACK..QUICK SOMEONE WHO CAN SING WELL GO TO YOUTUBE AND READ THE DIRECTIONS...

Edit: I think Escapay has a future in late night comedy or sketches for SNL

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:27 pm

disneyboy20022 wrote:[Edit: I think Escapay has a future in late night comedy or sketches for SNL

It doesn't take much to change a few words around to a well-known theme song, lol.

As for SNL...eh. I like writing drama more than comedy. But one of my professors did say that a play I wrote (about an Angel of Death who becomes human for a day) had SNL-quality comedy.

albert

magicalwands · Post by **magicalwands** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:13 am

Oh man, I had a huge brain-fart back there. But you guys know what I meant to say!

Aunt Sarah. Sigh...I thought it was kind of weird when I first wrote it that Lady Tremaine is in Lady and the Tramp.

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:02 am

Escapay wrote:
pap64 wrote:Moving on from the Beverly Hillbillies...

Come and listen to a story about a man not named Jed
A poor working man, but he kept his family fed,
In the future he must've died, so very sad mood
But now we meet Tiana who cooks her own food

Gumbo that is, cajun stuff, New Orleans, see?

Well you also need you know, Naveen's not a millionaire
Parents said "Nav, you're cut off, now grow a pair"
Said "New Orleans is the place you ought to be"
So he loaded up with Lawrence and sailed across the sea.

New Orleans, that is. Bayou pools, wishing stars.

Well now its time to say goodbye to Tiana and all her kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin in.
You're all invited back a gain to this locality
To have a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality

Disney that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?.
albert

Now, this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I liked to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called (New) Orleans

In west Maledonia born and raised
On the courtyard was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shootin some ukulele cord outside of the school
When a couple of guys
Who were up to no good
Startin making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said 'You're movin' with Big Daddy in New Orleans'

I begged and pleaded with her day after day
But she packed my suite case and send me on my way
She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket.
I took my ukulele and said, 'I might as well kick it'.

First class, yo this is bad
Drinking a sazerac cocktail out of a champagne glass.
Is this what the people of New Orleans Living like?
Hmmmmm this might be alright.

But wait I hear there're sassy, partying all that
Is New Orleans the type of place they send this cool cat?
I don't think sow
I'll see when I get there
I hope they're prepared for the prince of Orleans

Well, the ship landed and when I came out
There was a dude who looked like a doctor standing there with my name out
I ain't trying to get tricked
I just got here
I hopped with the quickness like lightening, disappeared

I whistled for a cable car and when it came near
The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I can say this car is rare
But I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to New Oeleans'

I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the driver 'Yo homes smell ya later'
I looked at my new kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of New Orleans

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:03 am

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blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:05 am

“The Art of The Princess and The Frog” takes you behind-the-scenes on Disney’s return to hand-drawn animation
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Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:15 am

Disney Duster wrote:
Pap, I think you may be right, that may have helped the film and made it much better. Although, I suppose the other great films had teapots and crabs sing for them like Ray did...

Only Samuel Wright and Angela Lansbury have much nicer, talented, more romantic voices.

To be honest, I don't know what's with this new obsession with duets. Most Disney couples don't get duets. Aladdin and Jasmine had one, and they're still bland to me. Hercules and Megara didn't, and they're still one of the best to me. (same could be said for B&tB fans out there) Having a duet doesn't make the couple any more or less realized. Yes, they're nice to listen to (though I wonder if a Newman-duet would've been spectacular or not), but they're not always suitable in a film. Personally, I couldn't see a love song happening in the middle of TP&TF--and maybe that's why it didn't.

Also, for me anyway, the movie seemed to be a little more about Tiana than Naveen anyway. It seemed more about her dream, her father, her temptations, her loss, etc. Naveen was well-developed, but the movie still didn't seem about him.

PixarFan2006 · Post by **PixarFan2006** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:37 pm

I just got back from seeing TPatF at the theater. Here is my personal impression.

First, I do not think it's the best animated Disney film since The Lion King (which I find slightly overrated BTW) and there were things that seemed rushed such as The death of the villian, but overall it was enjoyable.

Something kind of weird happened at the theater. Near the end of the film, the power went out briefly and when it came back on, the film jumped ahead a few minutes.

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