Tangled! (The Artist Formerly Known As Rapunzel)

[ajmrowland]

So she does look cute.

[yukitora]

I sort of wish they would do a straight adaption of the fairytale, but this plot doesn't seem bad. If not a little reminesence of Enchanted. It's a shame that they seem to be dropping the whole eyecandy thing, but either way, we know this movie will look breath-taking.

[Jules]

... It's a shame that they seem to be dropping the whole eyecandy thing ...

Where did you read that!?

[Disney Duster]

I sort of wish they would do a straight adaption of the fairytale, but this plot doesn't seem bad.

Could you also explain more to me on this?

Disney has always made changes in their movies to the source material, but they could all be called straight adaptations, even The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.

This one has her in the tower and everything, she just gets to explore a little bit. Cinderella never got locked in her room in Perrault or Grimm. It's just something they thought naturally followed the story. A fleshing out of the story.

At least, I HOPE that Rapunzel is no more changed form it's original story than that.

[Kyle]

I dont think it counts as a straight adaptation when large portians of the story and characters are changed. lets use aladin as an example, they had to impose the wishing rules to suit their needs.

I'm not really complaining, because there are always going to be many varitions of fairy tales, disney is just doing what they can to make it uniqe. though Im not usually aware of the original stories in the first place. Ive only heard/seen them as they have evolved over time, never usually the original tale. some times the exact origins are unknown even to disney themselves.

Does Disney stay true to the tale, sure, but they rarely do straight adaptions. I think it would be too predicable if they did.

[Marky_198]

I posted something in the PATF thread, but I thought it would actually fit in this thread too. As Rapunzel is promoted as a film of astonishing beauty and a "painterly" look.

Someone posted screencaps of the PATF trailer.
I love some of the backgrounds, like the flowers in the transformation scene. Or the woods in others scenes.

Now THAT is what I call painterly.

That actually looks more like the Rapunzel swing painting than any of the other Rapunzel footage we've seen so far.
Take a look at these. This is the look I love, and I don't think a CGI 3d film, with 3d characters can ever look this painterly because of the plasticky, semi-realistic, static, rubberish effect those films have.
I think 2d animated films are the way to go if you want painterly.

I know that first pic is made by computer too, and I have nothing against that, I just think the look is painterly instead of cgi. Because a cgi character like Bolt, (or the Rapunzel designs we've seen so far for that matter) wouldn't fit with the flowers in the above pic at all for example.
This picture works so well, because she actually looks hand drawn, painted. That's why the characters and backgrounds compliment eachother so well.

Look at the flowers. I'm really happy with this.
Could it be that TPATF actually will turn out to be the painterly one, and that Rapunzel will just have the CGI, Bolt, rubberish, realistic look that we already know and not such a big surprise?

[akhenaten]

on the contrary..that looked more like the flowers in treasure planet n brother bear..i detest stylus drawn background...they have a more so called painterly look but it just seems slick and glossy.

[Wonderlicious]

I sort of wish they would do a straight adaption of the fairytale, but this plot doesn't seem bad.

Could you also explain more to me on this?

I think yukitora means is that this film only really uses the original tale as the first act, whereas the likes of Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast etc end where the original stories end (yes, Sleeping Beauty technically finishes half-way through the original, but most versions being told even as far back as the 19th century cut the "meet the parents" element out). Of course, Disney always changed this and that with every story they brought to the screen, but practically every screen adaptation of another form of literary work has done that even to a very slight extent.

[Kyle]

on the contrary..that looked more like the flowers in treasure planet n brother bear..i detest stylus drawn background...they have a more so called painterly look but it just seems slick and glossy.

its still a thousand times more painterly than anything you'll likely see in 3d. hand drawn stuff, be it from a pencil or stylus is naturally going to be more painterly, just from the way their used. the only way 3d has ever looked painterly to me is when, surprise surprise, the textures are "painted" on. an example of this would be the Lion King dvd menus. they tried to make everything look 2d and painted when paused, and it kinda worked, but only because paint of some kind was used for the textures.

[akhenaten]

WITH STYLUS, U TEND TO LOSE THE TINIEST BRUSHSTROKES OR NATURAL INDIVIDUAL BRUSH TRAILS.ONLY IF UR METICULOUS ENUFF TO actually change the 'brush' sizes. this is evident in brother bear onwards. in tarzan's case, it kind of blends well with the hand painted elements thus doesnt appear so obvious.and i lament the fact with digital production..patterns or multiple elements can be so easily duplicated to save time n cut cost..

i like it in earlier films u can see the paper textures on which the backgrounds r painted on.it adds depth n illusion of form and elevates the value of each art. i've look at many digitally produced art be it concept art or real production from movies like potc, disney n other studios n they tend to have d same feel. but this doesnt mean i appreciate them any less. for it is an evolution in creating art, and i too use tablet for my work but i long to see modern ppl experimenting with the older method

[blackcauldron85]

http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... -ears.html

"Rapunzel is going into animation the last part of the year. It's a musical, and they're going to have fairly short production schedule like they did on Bolt. Glen Keane is still the executive producer, and I think he could be supervising some animation, but I've just heard that could be happening. Don't know if it actually is" ...

[yukitora]

I sort of wish they would do a straight adaption of the fairytale, but this plot doesn't seem bad.

Could you also explain more to me on this?

Disney has always made changes in their movies to the source material, but they could all be called straight adaptations, even The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.

This one has her in the tower and everything, she just gets to explore a little bit. Cinderella never got locked in her room in Perrault or Grimm. It's just something they thought naturally followed the story. A fleshing out of the story.

At least, I HOPE that Rapunzel is no more changed form it's original story than that.

Uh, just because they haven't done it in the past, doesn't mean they can't do it now

Rapunzel, like most fairytales already have very fleshed out storylines. All I said is that I hoped that they'd do a straight adaption of the storyline. That is, plot points such as the mother's deal with the witch, the maternal lock the witch has on Rapunzel, the prince getting Rapunzel preggers (or an alternate g-rated version), the witch banishing her, the witch blinding the prince, the two lovers reunite and Rapunzel's tears curing the princes' blindness.

Disney's version isn't a 'fleshing out' of the story as you put it. They've added the whole 'discovering the world' aspect to it which isn't in line with the themes and morals of the original story and removing a lot of the original plot points. All they are doing is taking the idea of a girl with long hair in a tower and making their own story. I have nothing against this, I think this upcoming concept is quite nice (albeit similar to Enchanted - possibly). I just think that a straight adaption could have also worked, quite well.

[Disney Duster]

Um...just because they haven't done what before?

Anyway, you have no proof they are not going to use those plot points. Rapunzel did indeed get let out of her tower in the original, and true, it was in the dessert, but there's nothing wrong with having her leave that dessert or somehow find a way to the rest of the world.

So do not crush my dreams, I can still hope!

Coem to think of it, I don't want the preggers part, but if one moral of the tale was that a man should help you take care of the children, by being happier when he comes back, that's actually really good!

[Sotiris]

Monday Mouse Watch : “Rapunzel” revealed; a “G-Force” sequel?
http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hilll ... equel.aspx

[blackcauldron85]

http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... mouse.html

During our studio ramble, we ran into Glen Keane, who related that he was supervising animation with the Rapunzel animation crew (He's also executive producing on the picture.). Glen told us traditional animators are teaming with c.g. animators to bring a more "hand-drawn" sensibility to the c.g. characters in Rapunzel, with more stylization and counter-weight in the animation, melding computer graphics with the rhythms and tempo of traditional Disney animated features. He related how the characters' skin will have a softer look. (There is also the animation dynamics of Rapunzel's seventy feet of hair. Animationg that will be fun.)

The way Glen described the process, it's going to make Rapunzel a c.g. feature to put on your "to see" list. The film is now going into serious production, so we'll be able to watch the results of the artists' and technicians' labors in (relatively) short order.

[Jules]

Very happy to see that that Glen's intial ideas are still being implemented. I had worried that they might have been scrapped!

[Disney Duster]

I'm very glad, too! THANK YOU AMY!!!

However, I am slightly worried about the production being too rushed to be the full grand beautiful vision he desires, because they set the date before they really had all the story worked out, while it was still problematic, just to get it done.

I bet, or at least I hope, the date is pushed a back a bit once they see serious work is getting done. If they let out enough info and pictures, Disney may not mind setting it back one month or more to make it as well done as possible.

Hey, does anyone know how I could contact, especially write a letter, to Disney, specifically the people working on animated films, even more specifically on Rapunzel, or even more specifically, to Alan Menken? That's who I really want to write a letter to. ANY help I would be so happy with.

[pap64]

Isn't the production phase the shortest phase during the making of a film? I may be hugely mistaken, but it takes more time to sell a film, write a film, storyboard a film (if its an animated film), cast the actors etc. etc. than to produce it. Most of the time spent it seems is fleshing out the story and characters as well as designing the look of the film.

I know this because I noticed that some films are forever in pre-production but end up being made in less than a year. Again, anyone feel free to correct me because I may be very wrong.

[Disney Duster]

Well...

I didn't want to say this, but...

Beauty and the Beast was a grand beautiful film with characters with a "deep soul", but it was rushed in the animation stage and some of the animation in the film is...um, yea.

Cinderella had great animation in terms of movement and the soul of the characters being animated, but the animation was done fairly quickly, and if only they took their time, maybe they would have finished the animation and painted it as lovely and detailed as the previous films. Then again there was budget and a whole new style, so...

They really can't rush the animated part because they set a date when they didn't even finish working out the story kinks!

ANYONE know how I could write to Disney's animated movie team or Alan Menken himself?

[nomad2010]

if they can make the entire movie look like this then i would call it a truly groundbreaking new style, but i dont see a year and a half long production producing this kind of result. although this is concept art, a movie that looked this was would truly be a breakthrough.