estefan wrote:I don't understand this attitude of being negative towards a film that hasn't even been released yet. It's the equivalent of you working on a school project and the teacher dismissing it before seeing it purely because he was underwhelmed with your previous work. Not really fair to be dismissive when the filmmakers are working hard to make a good film. No director sets out to make a bad movie, after all, and we won't know it's bad until actually watching the whole movie from start to finish.
I've seen screenwriters work on both movies I like and movies I dislike (Jeff Nathanson comes to mind. Huge fan of Catch Me If You Can and The Last Shot, but he also wrote Rush Hour 2, which is one of my least favourite comedies of all-time). So even if you were underwhelmed by Woolverton's previous work, there's no indication this will be disappointing, too. Not to mention, Paul Dini is an excellent writer who himself knows a thing or two about writing complex, two-dimensional villains. He brought sympathy to the Joker, Harley Quinn and especially Mr Freeze, while still not shying away from why they are villains and that they are responsible for terrible things. I'm sure he will do the same thing with Malificient.
Linda Woolverton + Paul Dini = A very interesting movie alright!
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atlanticaunderthesea wrote:I don't mean the plot is confusing, the actual backstory is bizarre when compared to the original film.
And a script was leaked, that's where the information is coming from, and the initial apprehension. The trailer just seems to confirm the script, which many find to be a downer.
It's very likely that leaked script has since gone through a million rewrites, even under screenwriters who won't even be credited in the final film. The movie probably won't follow it.
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Prince Edward wrote:For me it's Angelina Jolie's performance and the amazing visuals of Disney's fantasy movies that makes me want to see this movie.
I am sure the story/plot will be rather horrible, and the casting of Aurora seems like a bad choice to me. She is not beautiful enough and she looks to young, more like a child than a woman (and although Aurora in the movie is supposed to be 16 years old, she looks a lot older). Why they did not hire older actors to play Aurora and Phillip I can't imagine.
I am also baffled by the re-naming of the three good fairies, why could they not use the names from the movie and try to make every character look like their animated counterpart? In contrast Maleficent herself looks a lot like the animated version. I am also sceptical to the inclusion of those fairy creatures we see in the teaser trailer.
But - it's always a possibility that we will be plesantly surprised;)
This is how I feel, exactly. I'm sure Angelina will be amazing as Maleficent--and that, alone would is worth seeing for me, personally. I've watched many bad films with good/great acting performances by one person. And the other plus is that the film will be very beautiful. It isn't much different from the Alice in Wonderland film they had recently which was beautiful and at least had Helena Bonham Carter as the Red Queen as a noteworthy performance, or Oz, which had Rachel Weisz.
The unfortunate thing is that, whether or not it is different than Alice in Wonderland and Oz: the Great and Powerful, audiences will see it as the same, which could hurt its financial performance.
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Prince Edward wrote:For me it's Angelina Jolie's performance and the amazing visuals of Disney's fantasy movies that makes me want to see this movie.
I am sure the story/plot will be rather horrible, and the casting of Aurora seems like a bad choice to me. She is not beautiful enough and she looks to young, more like a child than a woman (and although Aurora in the movie is supposed to be 16 years old, she looks a lot older). Why they did not hire older actors to play Aurora and Phillip I can't imagine.
I am also baffled by the re-naming of the three good fairies, why could they not use the names from the movie and try to make every character look like their animated counterpart? In contrast Maleficent herself looks a lot like the animated version. I am also sceptical to the inclusion of those fairy creatures we see in the teaser trailer.
But - it's always a possibility that we will be plesantly surprised;)
I agree completey! Except that I don't know if I'm sure Aurora and Phillip were cast too young. I assume Aurora looks so much older in the film because they used Helene Stanley as their live-action reference model and she might've been in her (still very early) 20's by then. But it doesn't bother me they are young because the film "says" they are supposed to be young. But I want her curly hair and dress from the Disney movie, not these plain underwhelming designs. And I do think Elle Fanning is beautiful enough. It must be hard to find someone more beautiful that is of a close enough age and also a good actress.
"Beautiful" was perhaps not the best word to use, as Elle Fanning is a sweet girl for sure. What I intended to say was that I find her more like a charming girl (not ugly by any means!) and not the stunning looking, gorgeous grown up woman I had imagined the animated Aurora's live action counterpart to be. The actress for this role should have been in her 20s and had a much more grown up look. To me the animated princess Aurora looks like one of the most mature looking Disney princesses. (Perhaps it's partly due to her being designed in the 1950's?) The actor playing prince Phillip is also to young in my opinion, he looks more like a boy then a man. And the animated prince Phillip looks very much like a grown up man.
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Who do we think could have fulfilled the Aurora / Philip roles ?
Personally, I could see someone like Keira Knightley playing the part. She can act, and is certainly beautiful ! And her beauty is very angular as well, much like Aurora. (IE, tall and willowy, defined chin / jaw etc).
Prince Edward wrote:"Beautiful" was perhaps not the best word to use, as Elle Fanning is a sweet girl for sure. What I intended to say was that I find her more like a charming girl (not ugly by any means!) and not the stunning looking, gorgeous grown up woman I had imagined the animated Aurora's live action counterpart to be. The actress for this role should have been in her 20s and had a much more grown up look. To me the animated princess Aurora looks like one of the most mature looking Disney princesses. (Perhaps it's partly due to her being designed in the 1950's?) The actor playing prince Phillip is also to young in my opinion, he looks more like a boy then a man. And the animated prince Phillip looks very much like a grown up man.
Well Prince Edward, we unfortunately disagree. I see your point in how they look being an important factor, but Elle Fanning being close to the age the film says Aurora is supposed to be makes it ok for me. And I want to add, even though he looks like a boy, Prince Phillip's actor is 24 or 23, and about 10 years older than Elle Fanning!
I am interested if anyone could find better Aurora and Phillip look-alikes though.
atlanticaunderthesea wrote:I don't mean the plot is confusing, the actual backstory is bizarre when compared to the original film.
And a script was leaked, that's where the information is coming from, and the initial apprehension. The trailer just seems to confirm the script, which many find to be a downer.
It's very likely that leaked script has since gone through a million rewrites, even under screenwriters who won't even be credited in the final film. The movie probably won't follow it.
Rewrites are inevitable, but they were shooting when it was leaked. Not a great sign to have rewrites done in the middle of production when the script is supposed to be locked.
bradhig wrote:Aurora was wearing gold not pink or blue. What's up with that?
I think she was wearing white, not gold. I agree she should be wearing a dress closer to the one in the movie, but I don't think the fairies in this film will have the pink and blue fighting.
I have read the leaked script and I do agree that it's quite bad in places, but I will say this, there is some stuff that Linda Woolverton wrote that has the potential to make it a really interesting Disney family fantasy film. Besides this is NOT the original animated film (which the story and character development really stinks), this feels like an entirely new telling of the fairy tale, and it shockingly suits me fine.
Besides, this script dates since January of 2012, so hasn't Paul Dini made revisions since then? Even despite reading it, I'm still looking forward to Maleficent, especially Angelina Jolie's performance in it.
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Disney Duster wrote:It can't be an entirely new telling if they use the name and character design only from the Disney film, Maleficent.
What about Once Upon a Time? I think it shows Disney can do an entirely new telling of the properties they've already established in the canon. They've also done it with the Live action 101 Dalmatians' films and I'm sure others I can't think of at the moment. What I'm trying to say is this isn't Disney's 1st time doing and entire new telling using the characters they have already introduced.
(Perhaps though Re-Telling would be the better word)
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bradhig wrote:could someone point me to the leaked script?
It got taken down by Disney quite a few months ago. This is a partial description of the leaked script that I posted in this thread back in September.
The Fairies reject Maleficent because they think she killed her mother and they say her father is a devil worshiper. Also She feels left out because her wings are huge and she has troubling controlling them and they are black and feathery.
She feels like a reject and feels alone. However there is a half fairy half human named Stefan. Maleficent loves him, and when he tells her he's going to the human world to meet a King Henry she isn't happy but lets him go.
King Henry strikes a deal with the fairy King and they share the land however King Henry says he will manipulate the fairies to do what he wants. Maleficent finds this out but the other fairies don't believe her because they say she's a born liar. King Henry I think finds out about and has Stefan an offer.
Stefan goes back to Maleficent and says that he loves her. Maleficent is thrilled however it's a trick ans Stefan drugs her, and rips her wings off and brings them to King Henry. In return King Henry let's Stefan marry his daughter.
Maleficent has a talk with her father and decides to take the fairy throne. However if the stone on the throne screams it's not the right heir, but if doesn't they have found the rightful ruler. The stone screams when she takes the throne.
Maleficent does end up cursing Aurora, however something happens between then and the curse.
Stefan tells 3 fairies to take Aurora and live in a cabin. They don't like it and don't want to take care of that child. Stefan however orders them to by a threat of some sort and they take her.
Maleficent somewhere frees a crow and transforms him into a man and calls him Diablo. However when she gets sick of hearing him she says turn to a crow and he does.
Also she spies on Aurora growing up, and one day she confronts her and begins to have caring feelings for her and they become friends. At one point she does decide to lift the curse, however the other fairies made a counter curse and it still happens. Aurora does fall asleep however Maleficent wakes her with the gift of true love. Also it is revealed that she is the rightful ruler of the fairies. Maleficent helps Aurora escape and before Stefan is about to kill Maleficent, Aurora finds Maleficent's wings and frees them and they some how re attach themselves to her and they escape. She declares who the rightful ruler of the land is and when Aurora sits on the stone throne and it agrees.
Diablo tells Maleficent that she did the right thing, but jokes because of some her actions she should be called The Mistress of All Evil and they laugh. It ends.
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Disney Duster wrote:It can't be an entirely new telling if they use the name and character design only from the Disney film, Maleficent.
What about Once Upon a Time? I think it shows Disney can do an entirely new telling of the properties they've already established in the canon. They've also done it with the Live action 101 Dalmatians' films and I'm sure others I can't think of at the moment. What I'm trying to say is this isn't Disney's 1st time doing and entire new telling using the characters they have already introduced.
(Perhaps though Re-Telling would be the better word)
Yea. But they aren't entirely new tellings so much as "this is what we think really happened", rather than all new original versions of the stories.
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Someone on IMDB posted a new plot synopsis for the movie and is it me or does it sound better than the previous one?
"Maleficent explores the untold story of Disney's most iconic villain from the 1959 classic Sleeping Beauty, and the elements of her betrayal that ultimately turn her pure heart to stone. Driven by revenge and a fierce desire to protect the moors over which she presides, Maleficent cruelly places an irrevocable curse upon the human king's newborn infant Aurora. As the child grows, Aurora is caught in the middle of the seething conflict between the forest kingdom she has grown to love and the human kingdom that holders her legacy. Maleficent realizes that Aurora may hold the key to peace in land and is forced to take drastic actions that will change both worlds forever." Maleficent stars Angelina Jolie, Sharlto Copley, Elle Fanning, Sam Riley, Imelda Staunton, Juno Temple and Lesley Manville.
NOTE: The source of this new one is unknown for now.
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