Beauty & the Beast original colors - in upcoming platinu

[Atlantica]

Isn't it a known and accepted fact that Disney fiddles with the colours of all their releases?

It's so sad that we all put so much energy into these comparisons; if Disney were even half bothered to do that, I wonder how the releases would turn out.

[filmmusic]

Isn't it a known and accepted fact that Disney fiddles with the colours of all their releases?

Well, i haven't seen so radical changes in another Disney animation film, as in Beauty and the Beast.
Or maybe is it because it's my favourite film of all time and I know it by heart?
I don't know.
But from screenhost comparisons I've seen in other films, I haven't seen any striking difference.

well if you'd like to post your settings about the colors in VLC by all means do, (I'd be interested to test them) but I'm not sure that light in the bookshop window will be replicated.
Because it's not a matter only of color but of luminosity too.
if you turn on the brightness, the whole picture will turn bright..

Cool. I'm a little tired right now and I have work in the morning, so I'll screw around with the settings tomorrow. Hopefully I can give numerical settings for you to punch in or just screen capture if I have to. Either way, it really does come close to the laserdisc in look. That luminosity you speak of is contrast, where dark gets darker and light gets lighter (makes a light source bloom). Messing with the contrast will also mess up the colors, but then you just need to control the saturation to makes sure they don't get out of hand.

Thanks.
I was wondering, in that morning screenshot comparison I put, what do you like best?
The yellow skies/lights of the Bluray, or the let's-call-it-white of the LD (and therefor the VHS, and theatrical presentation)?


Anyway, whatever we say and do, Disney will never issue a new bluray!
talk about respect to the customers!
While other companies, sometimes hear them:
eg. the example with the French Connection where a new Bluray was issued with corrected colors.

edit: well, i've been comparing over and over and over videos side by side of the 3d bluray and the laserdisc.
well, ok, if the colors of the 3d bluray well applied to the 2d bluray maybe I'd buy it and I'd try to learn to love it.
But the thing i would still have problem with, is the whole "Belle" song sequence. (and the lights in the "Be our Guest" song)

[Disney_freak]

I don't know much about laserdisc, but weren't they sourced from film print, and not digital to digital? The colors would be different anyways.

[jpanimation]

Alright, I couldn't find any numbers so I just screenshot the settings:



Match those settings and the 3D transfer should look VERY close to the laserdisc, only with a little less orange/brown hue over it. I actually like the 3D Blu-ray colors more, ballroom withstanding of course but to each their own.

[filmmusic]

Alright, I couldn't find any numbers so I just screenshot the settings:



Match those settings and the 3D transfer should look VERY close to the laserdisc, only with a little less orange/brown hue over it. I actually like the 3D Blu-ray colors more, ballroom withstanding of course but to each their own.

thanks.
couldn't get it exactly like your screenshot but it doesn't look good in many scenes that I browsed.. anyway..
the thing is that even if the 3d bluray has better colors we still can't watch it!

unless you have a 3d tv.. (but again, it's not the original 2d presentation)


anyway, i'll stick to the laserdisc rip forever as it seems..
Unless they put the colors of the 3d into 2d and then I'll think about it..

[filmmusic]

a person at bluray.com, enriched my screenshot comparison of the morning scene, with screenshots from the VHS and Bluray.
Look how wonderful are the colors in the VHS!!!!

[The_Iceflash]

Actually, looking at all those colors side by side, I don't think I care for the VHS's colors that much. It gives me the impression of a worn out decades old film print.

[Marce82]

Is it just me, or the LD looks blurrier than the VHS???

[SWillie!]

Yeahhhhh... I definitely prefer the warm colors of the blu-ray on that scene. I may feel differently about the ballroom sequence, but here I think it's a major improvement, especially over the vhs

[Disney Duster]

That Laserdisc does look blurier! The 3D Blu-ray has less of a pink tint and a better contrast than all the rest. The only thing I like in the earlier versions is the pink sky.

[Marce82]

Here is something to consider: the first shows... mainly belle coming from the house, and the baker coming toward the camera...

In the VHS and LD it looks like the characters are in the light... in the BD and 3D... doesnt it look like they are being somewhat backlit? Like the background is a lot lighter than the characters?

[filmmusic]

I assume those who prefer the Blurays saw Beauty and the Beast for the first time in DVD, right?

The didn't see the film at the cinemas, nor in VHS or Laserdisc.

(by the way, of course the LD might seem blurry. it's a problem of the tranfer or laserdisc rip. this is not the issue here. this comparsion is to see how they changed the colors)

moreover, except for the sky, which i certainly prefer the LD and VHS, look at the only tree at the 4th row of screenshots.
I certainly prefer the one in LD/VHS again because it's not so pronounced green again in your face.
It's another color, which I don't know how it is called in English (i know though how it is called in Greek).
Anyway, that color palette gives the film a more romantic feeling, short of reinassance, while the new colors are very saturated and pronounced for the new century kids which like all the things to be vivid!

it's like they did this:
(up: snow white BLuray
down: changed greens by me)



for the record, look closely how the greens of the Beauty and the Beast initial color palette in LD/VHS, resemble those of the Snowwhite BLuray!!

[The_Iceflash]

I assume those who prefer the Blurays saw Beauty and the Beast for the first time in DVD, right?

The didn't see the film at the cinemas, nor in VHS or Laserdisc.

Nope. The only copies I ever owned were the VHS (the first VHS at that) and the Blu-ray. The issue I notice with the color is how on the VHS/LD, on the street and in the bookstore, everything aside from Belle's dress is a shade of the same color. No way should everything be the same color.

[rodis]

for the record, look closely how the greens of the Beauty and the Beast initial color palette in LD/VHS, resemble those of the Snowwhite BLuray!!

I think the greens in the BD/3D screencaps look fine and fit the picture.

While the LD has its charm and I love the "natural" look that truly takes me back to when I first saw the film/bought the VHS, I must admit the BD and 3D look fantastic. I love the colors in both of them. When I watch the BD, I adjust the saturation to give it a more natural look but I'm quite satisfied with it.

[filmmusic]

well, ok, others like the original, others like the new.
I think they should include both versions, since the change is so radical and we're not talking about a light differences in shades of colors..

However, for the record again, Beauty and The Beast Bluray doesn't get the Award for BEST/WORSE color "restoration"!
This does: (it's a chinese animation film)

[271286]

I assume those who prefer the Blurays saw Beauty and the Beast for the first time in DVD, right?

The didn't see the film at the cinemas, nor in VHS or Laserdisc.

Nope. The only copies I ever owned were the VHS (the first VHS at that) and the Blu-ray. The issue I notice with the color is how on the VHS/LD, on the street and in the bookstore, everything aside from Belle's dress is a shade of the same color. No way should everything be the same color.

It's called symbolism. Belle's blue dress makes her stand out from the rest of the image, because her character doesn't fit the small, plain, brown, provintional life. She sings about not fitting in - the pictures emphasizes that, it's intentional.

[filmmusic]

Nope. The only copies I ever owned were the VHS (the first VHS at that) and the Blu-ray. The issue I notice with the color is how on the VHS/LD, on the street and in the bookstore, everything aside from Belle's dress is a shade of the same color. No way should everything be the same color.

It's called symbolism. Belle's blue dress makes her stand out from the rest of the image, because her character doesn't fit the small, plain, brown, provintional life. She sings about not fitting in - the pictures emphasizes that, it's intentional.

Oh, I LOVED your explanation!

[The_Iceflash]

Nope. The only copies I ever owned were the VHS (the first VHS at that) and the Blu-ray. The issue I notice with the color is how on the VHS/LD, on the street and in the bookstore, everything aside from Belle's dress is a shade of the same color. No way should everything be the same color.

It's called symbolism. Belle's blue dress makes her stand out from the rest of the image, because her character doesn't fit the small, plain, brown, provintional life. She sings about not fitting in - the pictures emphasizes that, it's intentional.

The makers of the film don't see it that way. Seems more like a way to justify how the VHS/LD should be viewed as better.

[filmmusic]

It's called symbolism. Belle's blue dress makes her stand out from the rest of the image, because her character doesn't fit the small, plain, brown, provintional life. She sings about not fitting in - the pictures emphasizes that, it's intentional.

The makers of the film don't see it that way. Seems more like a way to justify how the VHS/LD should be viewed as better.

and how do you know what were the filmmakers thinking?
the point is, noone knows what they were thinking.
I think 271286 just offered his own interpretation (which i happened to like).


the issue is that that colors were changed, and we should live with that.
same issue with the Star Wars films that were changed and the ORIGINAL trilogy will never see the light of day in a High Definition format.
Lost in oblivion in the sands of time, as did the original look of Beauty and the Beast, and only available in an old VHS or Laserdisc, which will remind us how the film once looked, and how was it when we -the elder-, first saw it and loved it......

[rodis]

the issue is that that colors were changed, and we should live with that.
same issue with the Star Wars films that were changed and the ORIGINAL trilogy will never see the light of day in a High Definition format.
Lost in oblivion in the sands of time, as did the original look of Beauty and the Beast, and only available in an old VHS or Laserdisc, which will remind us how the film once looked, and how was it when we -the elder-, first saw it and loved it......

I think the idea to distinguish Belle from the village by coloring her dress blue was intentional but regardless, she still stands out in the new restoration. It's not like she suddenly fits in the crowd...