Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[Polizzi]

Sorry that I posted one too many. The stupid Internet is not learning to cooperate my task.

[Super Aurora]

then go delete them. There's a reason why we have edit button in that upper right corner of our post.....

[Margos]

then go delete them. There's a reason why we have edit button in that upper right corner of our post.....

I don't think he can, now. Can't you only delete the most recent post made? I don't know, I still haven't quite figured that out....

[Dragonlion]

http://www.webook.com/project/Rapunzel- ... of-Power-1

Rapunzel and the Spell of Power? I'm glad they changed the name, but can't they just call it Rapunzel?!

[Elladorine]

then go delete them. There's a reason why we have edit button in that upper right corner of our post.....

I don't think he can, now. Can't you only delete the most recent post made? I don't know, I still haven't quite figured that out....

While you can edit any of your own posts, you can only delete the ones that haven't been replied to.

http://www.webook.com/project/Rapunzel- ... of-Power-1

Rapunzel and the Spell of Power? I'm glad they changed the name, but can't they just call it Rapunzel?!

That appears to be Polizzi's personal project, not something officially from Disney.

[Polizzi]

I don't think he can, now. Can't you only delete the most recent post made? I don't know, I still haven't quite figured that out....

While you can edit any of your own posts, you can only delete the ones that haven't been replied to.

Rapunzel and the Spell of Power? I'm glad they changed the name, but can't they just call it Rapunzel?!

That appears to be Polizzi's personal project, not something officially from Disney.

Correct. By the way, I do not know how to delete them. The edit button would not let me. I right clicked it, and still would not do it. What have I done?

[DisneyJedi]

http://www.webook.com/project/Rapunzel- ... of-Power-1

Uhh..... what?

[Elladorine]

Correct. By the way, I do not know how to delete them. The edit button would not let me. I right clicked it, and still would not do it. What have I done?

You can only delete a post if no other posts have been made after it within the thread, so those posts in question can't be deleted unless it's handled by a moderator or admin.

[Polizzi]

Correct. By the way, I do not know how to delete them. The edit button would not let me. I right clicked it, and still would not do it. What have I done?

You can only delete a post if no other posts have been made after it within the thread, so those posts in question can't be deleted unless it's handled by a moderator or admin.

Thank you.

[Siren]

See how many real chameleons die because parents buy their kids a Pascal of their own though.

First off, chameleons are very expensive to buy, and to take care of. They also require extreme time and focus for. They are some of the most difficult pets to raise. Even captive breed ones. Though that doesn't mean a child can't own and raise one, but he/she must be dedicated to do so. I raise one very well when I was in first grade. It was a wild chameleon to add to that and I cared for it 2 and half years. That's pretty long impressive with a wild chameleon. Most kids aren't very responsible so I doubt they're get one LOL.

, although chameleons may be cheaper than dogs, so maybe more will be bought?

Actually it's quite the opposite. Reptiles are always very expensive pets to buy and to raise.Wild ones are even more expensive than breed ones. I would know since I've raise two chameleons in my life time. Chameleons also need far more work and dedication to care for than a dog. This is why usually it's adults who go and buy reptiles, than a kid would.

Most Chameleons are NOT expensive to buy or keep. They do require very specialized care, more specialized then a dog, but let's consider the true cost and care of these two types of animals.


Chameleons and Dalmatians. I say Dalmatian because of how Disney has effected the market for this specific breed due to their movies.

The most common chameleons, veiled, panther and Jackson's cost between $35-$150. Depends on the age and place you buy them. The general rule, the younger, the cheaper it is. This is because to get a reptile to grow, takes work, plus when an animal is of breeding age, it makes them worth more. Check out Kingsnake.com to Petco. Chams are cheap to purchase, compared to other exotics. They don't grow huge like iguanas and they aren't dangerous like monitors. Parents are going to see them as perfect reptiles for their kids. They do best in a screened in enclosure, with plants, a mister, places to hide, etc. Depending on the size of the set up, a Cham set up can be as little as $150 to as high as a few $1000. Considering companies like Exoterra make cage kits specifically for chameleons with "everything you need", that makes it an convenient buy. Feeding, crickets, $2-4 a box. Depending on the size of the lizard, half a box to 2 boxes a week to feed them. Vet care is almost always nil, unless its a true, dedicated herp owner who seeks out a herp vet, and herp vets are few and far between. Chams don't require grooming, shots, spaying/neutering, etc. You don't have to feed a cham, or many other reptiles, every single day either. Upkeep is new bulbs now ever few months and crickets every week. In other words, its cheap to own a chameleon. Many die under the care of inexperienced herp owners because people want to hold and pet them all the time. This stresses them out and makes them susceptible to infections and eventually death. Also not maintaining the lighting, temp, and humidity also shorten their life. But the cost to buy and care for them, is cheap for an exotic. If a cham is getting adequate care, it will likely shorten its life.

Now Dalmatians....$300-800+ just to buy the puppy. Then there is the first few vet visits, another couple of hundred dollars. If people are planning on fixing and microchipping, another few hundred. Food, if its Old Roy, maybe $10 a week. Dogs eat every day. If they are like me, $25 a week. If they go through training, that's another $100+. If they choose to have a grooming shop bath their dog, that's another $20-50 a month. Also, a Dalmatian needs exercise, which doesn't technically cost much money, but it costs a lot of time. And even a dog with adequate care, they can still live a full life of 12 years or more.


IMO, dogs need more time and dedication than a cham. So long as you maintain the temp, humidity, and lighting and feed it, it doesn't need much else. Reptiles are very much, terrestrial fish. They don't NEED social time. They are perfectly content to be left in their enclosure for their entire lives so long as its comfortable for them and they get the food they need.

The big difference is that when the kids get bored with the dog, its dumped at the shelter. When the kids get bored with the lizard, it dies.


I've raised a dozen reptiles in my lifetime. I worked at a pet store that specialized in exotic reptiles, from dangerous Burmese Pythons and Nile Monitors to placid Beaded Dragons and Uromastyx. It didn't matter the price or the size or the time those exotics needed, when little Billy or Sue cried to their parents how they would be so cool to get that reptile, parents caved. There were plenty of times we refused sales of reptiles too. Because we could see from the get-go, it was nothing more than a fickle past time for these kids. And it was sickening how stupid parents were to just be ready to buy such a specialized animal.

[SWillie!]

But........ there's no mention of feet in that summary!

[Elladorine]

But........ there's no mention of feet in that summary!

Will somebody please think of the poor feet?

[Super Aurora]

Most Chameleons are NOT expensive to buy or keep. They do require very specialized care, more specialized then a dog, but let's consider the true cost and care of these two types of animals.

That's only because a dog live longer than a chameleon. Of course if you add up the years, in the long run, dog is more expensive.

Chameleons and Dalmatians. I say Dalmatian because of how Disney has effected the market for this specific breed due to their movies.

Not best comparison as Dalmatians are not the best dogs for kids. They don't do well with kids.

The most common chameleons, veiled, panther and Jackson's cost between $35-$150. Depends on the age and place you buy them. The general rule, the younger, the cheaper it is. This is because to get a reptile to grow, takes work, plus when an animal is of breeding age, it makes them worth more.

This would be case If you're a breeder. But a kid most likely wouldn't want a baby chameleon they would want already grown one where they can see the "cool" stuff. so already parent would be buying out the more expensive ones.

Check out Kingsnake.com to Petco. Chams are cheap to purchase, compared to other exotics. They don't grow huge like iguanas and they aren't dangerous like monitors. Parents are going to see them as perfect reptiles for their kids. They do best in a screened in enclosure, with plants, a mister, places to hide, etc. Depending on the size of the set up, a Cham set up can be as little as $150 to as high as a few $1000. Considering companies like Exoterra make cage kits specifically for chameleons with "everything you need", that makes it an convenient buy.

Though it is highly recommended to buy biggest cage you can get for chameleon. It's also recommended to buy or make another cage for outside for them to get natural sunlight. This is something I did. They may not be big but they want big room space. If parents or kid's not inform well, they would get small and cheap as possible making chameleon stress out.

Feeding, crickets, $2-4 a box. Depending on the size of the lizard, half a box to 2 boxes a week to feed them. Vet care is almost always nil, unless its a true, dedicated herp owner who seeks out a herp vet, and herp vets are few and far between.

but they are still damn fucking expensive as I've taken one of mine to one. This not only cause they are rare and far between like you said, but it's much harder to vet care reptiles than it is for mammals, especially dogs and cats which is what most vets are there for. Not to mention you need to buy food FOR the food the chameleon going to it.

I also remember having buy powder medicine over crickets. the medicine isn't that expensive but again when you're getting all these shit for your chameleon, it's adds up greater in short period time than it does for a dog at that same time. Also with time consuming deal, If want your chameleon to live well, just getting crickets, not only thing you should do. You should also do outside and get real live bugs too. What kid is going to bother do that?

Chams don't require grooming, shots, spaying/neutering, etc.

true. Though grooming can be done home. It's not necessary to go shell out money to a dog grooming place.

You don't have to feed a cham, or many other reptiles, every single day either.

The time I've raise mine, I gave them crickets or other bugs every single day. I think it's best giving them food everyday.

Many die under the care of inexperienced herp owners because people want to hold and pet them all the time. This stresses them out and makes them susceptible to infections and eventually death. Also not maintaining the lighting, temp, and humidity also shorten their life. If a cham is getting adequate care, it will likely shorten its life.

I do agree with this.

Now Dalmatians....$300-800+ just to buy the puppy.

The problem is that one-dalmatains are not kids material (just like chameleon are not great kids pets either), two-full breed dogs are always more money than mix breed which I bet most parent will more likely want to buy a mix breed than a full breed even if later is more popular.

Then there is the first few vet visits, another couple of hundred dollars. If people are planning on fixing and microchipping, another few hundred.

This I can't argue against. This is true. But if you take a reptile to vet, even though this is rare, the care and price for them at vet is way more than a dog I would assume since it's much harder of an animal for vets to handle than a dog.

Food, if its Old Roy, maybe $10 a week. Dogs eat every day. If they are like me, $25 a week.

The difference is the supply of food it comes in. When you buy a large bag of dog food, most likely the bag will last for about at most a month. When you buy a box of crickets it'll probably comes with about 25 individual crickets. If you feed your chameleon everyday and say the chameleon eats about 3-4 a day, then that's already a week of food gone buy.

If they go through training, that's another $100+.

Like grooming, training can also be done by owners themselves.

If they choose to have a grooming shop bath their dog, that's another $20-50 a month.

Again bathing can be done at home. We bath out own dogs. and bathing we do maybe once a month.

Also, a Dalmatian needs exercise, which doesn't technically cost much money, but it costs a lot of time.

It takes about 5min at most to walk a dog. At least for me it does. When I took my chameleon outside, it had to watch it for much longer duration of time so it won't get lost or predators don't come and eat it.

And even a dog with adequate care, they can still live a full life of 12 years or more.

Yes, but what about if comparing the two in a chameleon's time span?

IMO, dogs need more time and dedication than a cham. So long as you maintain the temp, humidity, and lighting and feed it, it doesn't need much else. Reptiles are very much, terrestrial fish. They don't NEED social time. They are perfectly content to be left in their enclosure for their entire lives so long as its comfortable for them and they get the food they need.

Since I've experience raising both dogs and chameleons(I'm sure you have too), I find it much more stressful raising a Chameleon than it is a dog.

The big difference is that when the kids get bored with the dog, its dumped at the shelter. When the kids get bored with the lizard, it dies.

True although even if kid gets bored with the dog, dog still stays in the family usually and just grows old.

I've raised a dozen reptiles in my lifetime. I worked at a pet store that specialized in exotic reptiles, from dangerous Burmese Pythons and Nile Monitors to placid Beaded Dragons and Uromastyx.

Cool. though I knew my information from a exotic animal specialist. He has all kinds of wild and crazy animals from a Serval to a sloth to a kinkajou. Not to mention numerous reptiles and birds. I think you'd love to meet him. His place is awesome.

It didn't matter the price or the size or the time those exotics needed, when little Billy or Sue cried to their parents how they would be so cool to get that reptile, parents caved. There were plenty of times we refused sales of reptiles too. Because we could see from the get-go, it was nothing more than a fickle past time for these kids. And it was sickening how stupid parents were to just be ready to buy such a specialized animal.

Sadly this is unfortunately true. But from my experience, I rarely ever see kids whining for a reptile as oppose to getting a dog or cat. I don't think kids are going to asking for a chameleon thanks to a disney movie. Did kids whine to their parents for a frog or firefly when PatF came out? Or a crab when Little Mermaid came out?



All in all, I may be bit wrong about expensive but I'm pretty confident that a chameleon despite being a caged animal, is way hard to care for than a dog.

[Siren]

But........ there's no mention of feet in that summary!

Isn't it wonderful?

Most Chameleons are NOT expensive to buy or keep. They do require very specialized care, more specialized then a dog, but let's consider the true cost and care of these two types of animals.

That's only because a dog live longer than a chameleon. Of course if you add up the years, in the long run, dog is more expensive.

Even weekly care, a dog costs more. Even start up care, a dog costs more. How long it lives costs more too, but daily costs for a dog still trump those of a chameleon.

Chameleons and Dalmatians. I say Dalmatian because of how Disney has effected the market for this specific breed due to their movies.

Not best comparison as Dalmatians are not the best dogs for kids. They don't do well with kids.

Chameleons aren't the best pet for kids either.

The most common chameleons, veiled, panther and Jackson's cost between $35-$150. Depends on the age and place you buy them. The general rule, the younger, the cheaper it is. This is because to get a reptile to grow, takes work, plus when an animal is of breeding age, it makes them worth more.

This would be case If you're a breeder. But a kid most likely wouldn't want a baby chameleon they would want already grown one where they can see the "cool" stuff. so already parent would be buying out the more expensive ones.

How many stores do you know sell full grown chameleons? Most sell juveniles. Though more expensive then buying directly from a breeder, they are still cheaper than a dog from most pet stores and breeders. Petco has sells Chameleons for about $100-$120. Cheap for reptile standards.

Check out Kingsnake.com to Petco. Chams are cheap to purchase, compared to other exotics. They don't grow huge like iguanas and they aren't dangerous like monitors. Parents are going to see them as perfect reptiles for their kids. They do best in a screened in enclosure, with plants, a mister, places to hide, etc. Depending on the size of the set up, a Cham set up can be as little as $150 to as high as a few $1000. Considering companies like Exoterra make cage kits specifically for chameleons with "everything you need", that makes it an convenient buy.

Though it is highly recommended to buy biggest cage you can get for chameleon. It's also recommended to buy or make another cage for outside for them to get natural sunlight. This is something I did. They may not be big but they want big room space. If parents or kid's not inform well, they would get small and cheap as possible making chameleon stress out.

A vast majority of pets bought by parents for their kids, die early or get dumped. All because education is not priority. Many pet stores are just looking to make a quick buck. And that means, selling the smaller cage, because they are more likely to make a sale if they keep it economical, and not think of the animal itself.

Feeding, crickets, $2-4 a box. Depending on the size of the lizard, half a box to 2 boxes a week to feed them. Vet care is almost always nil, unless its a true, dedicated herp owner who seeks out a herp vet, and herp vets are few and far between.

but they are still damn fucking expensive as I've taken one of mine to one. This not only cause they are rare and far between like you said, but it's much harder to vet care reptiles than it is for mammals, especially dogs and cats which is what most vets are there for. Not to mention you need to buy food FOR the food the chameleon going to it.

Yup, herp vets are expensive, that is why a vast majority of herp owners don't take their pets to the vet. Go on and ask the random herp owner you meet. Not the ones from the herp forums, those people are usually educated because they want to be, but your average herp owner sees a reptile as a fish, not in need of any vet care.

I also remember having buy powder medicine over crickets. the medicine isn't that expensive but again when you're getting all these shit for your chameleon, it's adds up greater in short period time than it does for a dog at that same time. Also with time consuming deal, If want your chameleon to live well, just getting crickets, not only thing you should do. You should also do outside and get real live bugs too. What kid is going to bother do that?

The powder medicine is expensive, but considering its for a chameleon and thus, not a lot of medicine is needed, those tend to expire before you even use it up. I just paid $50 for 4 pills for my dog. The powdered vitamins and medicines cost usually no more than $30 and unless you have a 100 herps, it will expire before you can use it all. And getting live bugs from outside if DANGEROUS for your herp. You have no idea what parasites are in or on those bugs, not to mention what chemicals they have come in contact with. One of my friend's bearded dragons got worms after it ate a wild grasshopper. Very expensive and it was touch and go. I thought you were an experienced herp owner...what are you doing gathering wild insects? I gut loaded all my insects. Let them feed on healthy foods for a few days and then fed them to my beardies. This way I knew exactly what the bugs were exposed too. Same with live mice.

Chams don't require grooming, shots, spaying/neutering, etc.

true. Though grooming can be done home. It's not necessary to go shell out money to a dog grooming place.

You don't have to feed a cham, or many other reptiles, every single day either.

The time I've raise mine, I gave them crickets or other bugs every single day. I think it's best giving them food everyday.

Many die under the care of inexperienced herp owners because people want to hold and pet them all the time. This stresses them out and makes them susceptible to infections and eventually death. Also not maintaining the lighting, temp, and humidity also shorten their life. If a cham is getting adequate care, it will likely shorten its life.

I do agree with this.

Now Dalmatians....$300-800+ just to buy the puppy.

The problem is that one-dalmatains are not kids material (just like chameleon are not great kids pets either), two-full breed dogs are always more money than mix breed which I bet most parent will more likely want to buy a mix breed than a full breed even if later is more popular.

You'd lose that bet. Again, I have worked in a pet store, as well as 3 grooming shops, a vet office, an animal shelter, with rescues, training, and pet sitting.....a majority of parents choose purebreds. Because their kid is dying for a poodle or a Dalmatian, or a Golden Retriever. More movies right now are focusing on purebreds too. And the kids want a dog that looks just like Pongo, or Lady, or Air Bud.

Then there is the first few vet visits, another couple of hundred dollars. If people are planning on fixing and microchipping, another few hundred.

This I can't argue against. This is true. But if you take a reptile to vet, even though this is rare, the care and price for them at vet is way more than a dog I would assume since it's much harder of an animal for vets to handle than a dog.

Not necessarily. I took my beardie to the vet, it cost only $25 for her to be seen. And the vet I worked with saw turtles and other animals. A turtle with an overgrown beak, it needed to be trimmed and sanded down, cost the owner only $45. Considering a dog's dental work costs $300 on average.

Food, if its Old Roy, maybe $10 a week. Dogs eat every day. If they are like me, $25 a week.

The difference is the supply of food it comes in. When you buy a large bag of dog food, most likely the bag will last for about at most a month. When you buy a box of crickets it'll probably comes with about 25 individual crickets. If you feed your chameleon everyday and say the chameleon eats about 3-4 a day, then that's already a week of food gone buy.

Unless your feeding a chihuahua a big bag of dog food doesn't last a month.

If they go through training, that's another $100+.

Like grooming, training can also be done by owners themselves.[/quote]
Have you ever groomed and trained a dog? Can some people do both these things? Yes. But most people can't handle it. You can cut a dog when you are grooming it. Most owners are not wanting to risk that chance. Training, you average dog can be done for basic. But if you have a hard breed or its simply stubborn, nothing beats a professional trainer.
Frankly, I find it easy to tell who was home trained and who got a professional.

If they choose to have a grooming shop bath their dog, that's another $20-50 a month.

Again bathing can be done at home. We bath out own dogs. and bathing we do maybe once a month.[/quote]
Do you own Standard Poodles, Airdales, Schnazuers, Goldendoodles etc? Yeah, wash and wear dogs like Boxers, Chihuahuas, Boston Terriers, Pit bulls, those anyone can give a bath. But if you expect the average Poodle owner to know how to properly shave the face and feet and do a poodle cut on it, you are sadly mistaken.

Also, a Dalmatian needs exercise, which doesn't technically cost much money, but it costs a lot of time.

It takes about 5min at most to walk a dog. At least for me it does. When I took my chameleon outside, it had to watch it for much longer duration of time so it won't get lost or predators don't come and eat it.

I don't know many people who only walk their dogs for 5 minutes. Most at least 30 minutes to give it the most out of a workout and keep it strong and healthy.

And even a dog with adequate care, they can still live a full life of 12 years or more.

Yes, but what about if comparing the two in a chameleon's time span?[/quote]
This isn't about the time span itself. This is making a point about how the care itself of a cham drastically shortens its life, while a dog can live a full lifespan with adequate care. Its not about the numbers.

IMO, dogs need more time and dedication than a cham. So long as you maintain the temp, humidity, and lighting and feed it, it doesn't need much else. Reptiles are very much, terrestrial fish. They don't NEED social time. They are perfectly content to be left in their enclosure for their entire lives so long as its comfortable for them and they get the food they need.

Since I've experience raising both dogs and chameleons(I'm sure you have too), I find it much more stressful raising a Chameleon than it is a dog.

That's because you CARE and KNOW how to properly care for one. The average pet owner, doesn't. The average parent who is just buying it to pacify their spoiled kid could really care less if it lives or dies.

The big difference is that when the kids get bored with the dog, its dumped at the shelter. When the kids get bored with the lizard, it dies.

True although even if kid gets bored with the dog, dog still stays in the family usually and just grows old.

I've raised a dozen reptiles in my lifetime. I worked at a pet store that specialized in exotic reptiles, from dangerous Burmese Pythons and Nile Monitors to placid Beaded Dragons and Uromastyx.

Cool. though I knew my information from a exotic animal specialist. He has all kinds of wild and crazy animals from a Serval to a sloth to a kinkajou. Not to mention numerous reptiles and birds. I think you'd love to meet him. His place is awesome.

I worked at an exotic animal rescue too. With tigers, lions, cougars and leopards.

It didn't matter the price or the size or the time those exotics needed, when little Billy or Sue cried to their parents how they would be so cool to get that reptile, parents caved. There were plenty of times we refused sales of reptiles too. Because we could see from the get-go, it was nothing more than a fickle past time for these kids. And it was sickening how stupid parents were to just be ready to buy such a specialized animal.

Sadly this is unfortunately true. But from my experience, I rarely ever see kids whining for a reptile as oppose to getting a dog or cat. I don't think kids are going to asking for a chameleon thanks to a disney movie. Did kids whine to their parents for a frog or firefly when PatF came out? Or a crab when Little Mermaid came out?

Again, worked at the pet shop for three years. I saw those types of families all the time. And you don't understand the difference people see in those movies....Naveen was a human turned into a frog. He was not a pet. Sebastian was not a pet. Neither of those animals are treated as pets. Where as, say 101 Dalmatians, People see how Pongo is so well trained, they have no idea, about 6 dogs portrayed 1 dog. Each dog was specialized in one to a couple of tricks. No one dog did everything. So people assumed Dalmatians are easy to train and care for. Do I think Pascal will cause as big of a selling spree as Pongo and the puppies did? No, I don't think it will be nearly so big. But the fact remains, there will be chameleons purchased out there, probably named Pascal, all because parents are too stupid to take the time to research or care. I am not blaming Disney for this mind you. But it still makes me cringe thinking of how animals will suffer and die due to greed and ignorance. The problem is first, the prospective owners. They are the root of it. The second problem is unscrupulous breeders, dealers, and stores that will sell to anyone so long as they got the cash.

All in all, I may be bit wrong about expensive but I'm pretty confident that a chameleon despite being a caged animal, is way hard to care for than a dog.

Like I said, I semi-agree with that. The thing is, they have different needs. But NEITHER animal is easy. I'd actually say they are equally matched in care. Chams and most herps need specialized care, but not a lot of time out of our days or money from our wallets. Dogs don't need specialized care, but they need a lot of time and money.

[Prudence]

I DON'T USUALLY LIKE ANIMAL SIDEKICKS BUT EVEN I THINK THE CHAMELEON IS A CUTIE PATOOTIE.

[polish_princess]

Let's hope that real life chameleons and the like aren't appealing to kids and that they stick with stuffed versions of Pascal.

[robster16]

Let's hope that real life chameleons and the like aren't appealing to kids and that they stick with stuffed versions of Pascal.

Ugh, for god's sake, this political correctness is killing me these days. Disney shouldn't be bothered with that, they should focus on making movies and not be bothered with protest groups or people who might buy certain animals featured in films. Parents should be held responsible for educating their children that they just can't get certain animals no matter how cute they seem to be in any movie! Wether it's a dalmatian, a hummingbird, a baby elephant, a lion cub, a warthog, a baby deer, or a chameleon...

[Siren]

Let's hope that real life chameleons and the like aren't appealing to kids and that they stick with stuffed versions of Pascal.

Ugh, for god's sake, this political correctness is killing me these days. Disney shouldn't be bothered with that, they should focus on making movies and not be bothered with protest groups or people who might buy certain animals featured in films. Parents should be held responsible for educating their children that they just can't get certain animals no matter how cute they seem to be in any movie! Wether it's a dalmatian, a hummingbird, a baby elephant, a lion cub, a warthog, a baby deer, or a chameleon...

Do you even know what political correctness means????? The text book definition of PC: is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, handicap, and age-related contexts.


So exactly where do animals fit into that? Are you meaning to say chimpanzees feel it is politically incorrect to be called monkeys? Or dolphins to be called fish? They are animals. They do not and cannot fall under the aspect of political correctness. Animals are not offended at all or at the very least in the same way humans are.

Like I said, I don't blame Disney or any movie for people impulse buying a pet. I do give props to movie companies who do take an active role in making the effort to curb this. The insert in Eight Below and the fact most of the dogs in Beverly Hills Chihuahua were formally shelter dogs is testament to this. And for that, I am grateful to them. But I wouldn't boycott a movie because of it. The movie studios are not purposefully at fault for it. Who said anything about a protest? A boycott? No one has listed any groups who said they would. Because its not happening.

So you attacking polish_princess for hoping parents purchase the toys instead of the real thing is asinine and childish. Frankly, I know for a fact Disney would rather their pockets be lined from purchases of Pascal toys then people spend money at a pet store to buy the real thing.

[Sotiris]

I DON'T USUALLY LIKE ANIMAL SIDEKICKS BUT EVEN I THINK THE CHAMELEON IS A CUTIE PATOOTIE.

Hey Prudence! Welcome back! We've missed you

[robster16]

Ugh, for god's sake, this political correctness is killing me these days. Disney shouldn't be bothered with that, they should focus on making movies and not be bothered with protest groups or people who might buy certain animals featured in films. Parents should be held responsible for educating their children that they just can't get certain animals no matter how cute they seem to be in any movie! Wether it's a dalmatian, a hummingbird, a baby elephant, a lion cub, a warthog, a baby deer, or a chameleon...

Do you even know what political correctness means????? The text book definition of PC: is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, handicap, and age-related contexts.


So exactly where do animals fit into that? Are you meaning to say chimpanzees feel it is politically incorrect to be called monkeys? Or dolphins to be called fish? They are animals. They do not and cannot fall under the aspect of political correctness. Animals are not offended at all or at the very least in the same way humans are.

Like I said, I don't blame Disney or any movie for people impulse buying a pet. I do give props to movie companies who do take an active role in making the effort to curb this. The insert in Eight Below and the fact most of the dogs in Beverly Hills Chihuahua were formally shelter dogs is testament to this. And for that, I am grateful to them. But I wouldn't boycott a movie because of it. The movie studios are not purposefully at fault for it. Who said anything about a protest? A boycott? No one has listed any groups who said they would. Because its not happening.

So you attacking polish_princess for hoping parents purchase the toys instead of the real thing is asinine and childish. Frankly, I know for a fact Disney would rather their pockets be lined from purchases of Pascal toys then people spend money at a pet store to buy the real thing.

You know exactly what I meant! And I was NOT attacking polish_princess at all. I was venting furstration with the idea. I understand the idea you so apptly explained just now, BUT I also think it's a disgusting movement these days that every single detail in a business that should be fueled by creativity is being monitored, regulated and controlled by focus groups and protesters who threaten with boycotts or lawsuits. I'm all for educating people about responsible behaviour, but Disney should stick to their ideas and not cave into pressure from anyone o be bossed around in the creative process.

We've seen it before when Pocahontas' breast size was reduced after a focus group thought that her chest would falsely represent the female figure to young children so they reduced her cup size halfway through production. That is just insane, and who exactly are the twisted sick people in this? The one who make animated drawings of an animated character or the people objecting to the chest size of a drawing for fear of messing up their young children who's minds aren't even occupied with ideas of breasts or the size of them!

So responsibility yes, but for pete's sake, if they want to use a chameleon then use a damn chameleon. It's then up to parents to figure out that getting them as a pet for their children is a no-no! Next thing you know everything in this world is weighed on a scale of what is and what is not "responsible". I do not want to see a disclaimer in front of every movie with endless lists of advice on all the different elements inside a movie that might be upsetting or irresponsible or whatever. In this society there's a protest group against everything and companies have a tendency to cave in to them instead of standing behind their creative ideas and in doing so acting as if their audiences are little children who can't think for themselves. Personal responsibility, that's what I vote for!

Again, no offence what so ever to polish_princess! I was offended by the general idea, not by her statement!