If Belle remained in the enchanted castle and didn’t fall in love with the Beast before the last petal fell, she’d quite literally turn into a bell.
Beauty & the Beast original colors - in upcoming platinu
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I wouldn't have thought on my own of that happening to her if she wasn't in love with the Beast before the last petal dropped. If that happened, her horse Phillipe would wear her on his neck instead of on his back. 
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Beauty and the Beast is definitely my favorite movie by far, and with that I've seen it hundreds of times and I've noticed a bunch of different errors throughout the movie:
1. Belle is sitting at the fountain showing her book to the sheep and it shows a picture, later on she is confronted with Gaston and he says it has no pictures.
2. Several times it says it will bloom until his 21st birthday and they say ten years they're been rusting, but Chip is clearly not 10. I'm not sure if they imply if the enchanted objects age or not.
3. I'm not really sure if they have some freaky whether or not or if she just stayed for a really long time and it took Maurice a heck of a long time to reach her, but half the time there is snow and half the time there isn't and it seems spring like conditions, but yet it comes back to snow in the end.
Maybe I'm just noticing stupid little errors. Has anyone else found any weird mistakes?
1. Belle is sitting at the fountain showing her book to the sheep and it shows a picture, later on she is confronted with Gaston and he says it has no pictures.
2. Several times it says it will bloom until his 21st birthday and they say ten years they're been rusting, but Chip is clearly not 10. I'm not sure if they imply if the enchanted objects age or not.
3. I'm not really sure if they have some freaky whether or not or if she just stayed for a really long time and it took Maurice a heck of a long time to reach her, but half the time there is snow and half the time there isn't and it seems spring like conditions, but yet it comes back to snow in the end.
Maybe I'm just noticing stupid little errors. Has anyone else found any weird mistakes?
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When the sheep eats the corner of the book page, the next shot there is no tear in the paper.
When Gaston falls out the front door into the mud puddle he gets up to leave and we see the house off in the distant with no mud puddle outside (he must have flown like Superman out the door to reach that puddle )
When Gaston falls out the front door into the mud puddle he gets up to leave and we see the house off in the distant with no mud puddle outside (he must have flown like Superman out the door to reach that puddle
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I noticed some background inconsistencies. Like when Belle and Maurice are in the basement in the beginning, there's a pipe and a bottle in the background that change sizes.
And in the reprise of "Gaston", his armchair is *on* the bear rug in one shot and the next shot it's not.
Belle's bed changes from when the beats first shows her the room and when she talks to Mrs. Potts and Chip later on.
There's more, though.
And in the reprise of "Gaston", his armchair is *on* the bear rug in one shot and the next shot it's not.
Belle's bed changes from when the beats first shows her the room and when she talks to Mrs. Potts and Chip later on.
There's more, though.
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He looks to be 11 when he was cursed if you consider the description in Enchanted Christmas accurate. I think for the time being, it wasn't so odd for him to open the door, after all only decades ago people were getting married and having children at 14.sunhuntin wrote:another thing with the rose... if it would bloom until he turned 21, and the story picks up 10 years down the track, he was what, 11 when he was cursed? thats a hell of a punishment for one so young. and at 11, why werent his servants answering the door?
jpanimation, i just saw your posts with the comparisons!!
wow! yes, the colors look closer to the originals, of course they aren't yet.
I lost hope long ago, and I'm watching only a LaserDisc rip.
edit:
anyway, i saw for myself in the 3d.
still not right.
what bothers me also, is that the Brown color of Cogsworth has vanished (and other browns too) Even in the 3d version. See for example this comparison.
well, so many changes!!
the door, the floor, Cogsworth.
Generally there is this tendency in all the film to make it more colorful, which is why it looks to me like a direct-to-DVD sequel, rather than a dark filmic animation.
I haven't seen so radical changes in ANY other Disney animation film.
The ONLY thing that looks the right color in the comparison below, is his hands, and the line on the door!
Everything else is changed!
up: 3d Bluray
down: Laserdisc
Also look how good the light looks in the Laserdisc screenshot (below). That shot was stuck on my mind from the very first time I saw it at the cinema!
It seems indeed a glorious morning, and not late afternoon!
wow! yes, the colors look closer to the originals, of course they aren't yet.
I lost hope long ago, and I'm watching only a LaserDisc rip.
edit:
anyway, i saw for myself in the 3d.
still not right.
what bothers me also, is that the Brown color of Cogsworth has vanished (and other browns too) Even in the 3d version. See for example this comparison.
well, so many changes!!
the door, the floor, Cogsworth.
Generally there is this tendency in all the film to make it more colorful, which is why it looks to me like a direct-to-DVD sequel, rather than a dark filmic animation.
I haven't seen so radical changes in ANY other Disney animation film.
The ONLY thing that looks the right color in the comparison below, is his hands, and the line on the door!
Everything else is changed!
up: 3d Bluray
down: Laserdisc
Also look how good the light looks in the Laserdisc screenshot (below). That shot was stuck on my mind from the very first time I saw it at the cinema!
It seems indeed a glorious morning, and not late afternoon!
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Of course the colors are changed regardless, and I do prefer the original colors, but how exactly do you know what the theatrical colors looked like? I'm sure Laserdisc and VHS both distort the colors on this film. I don't think the new colors are bad, but I think they should be corrected because they are indeed better even though the colors are supposingly what the directors wanted but they got distorted when put onto media.
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The LaserDisc/VHS seems to have a washed out brownish look to the whole thing that doesn't seem like it's intentional (I don't think they wanted the snow to have a brownish hue). Take that away, and the 3D Blu-ray colors are what you get. I feel like they're accurate to the source but really don't have anyway of knowing for certain. It's the regular Diamond Edition/Platinum Edition colors that just can't be explained, since no amount of tweaking the LaserDisc will ever get you those colors.
Also, everyone seems to mix up the wonky contrast with lighting. This is the same thing that happened with Pinocchio. They finally fixed the saturation and balanced the contrast and suddenly they've messed up the lighting, that was never there to begin with. Go into VLC, and tinker with the saturation and contrast. You should be able to see how off it was to get it to look that way. I agree that it looks better on the LaserDisc, since it does look like lighting but that's not what it is.
Basically, I'm content with the 3D Blu-ray (whether its correct or not I do not know). The only part that I feel is still altered from the original release is the ballroom (Diamond Edition is over saturated with orange while the 3D Blu-ray is over saturated with yellow) and that it should look like what we saw in the Princess and the Frog trailer. If they did that, then it would be perfect. Not the LaserDisc but how I feel it was always intended to look.
Also, everyone seems to mix up the wonky contrast with lighting. This is the same thing that happened with Pinocchio. They finally fixed the saturation and balanced the contrast and suddenly they've messed up the lighting, that was never there to begin with. Go into VLC, and tinker with the saturation and contrast. You should be able to see how off it was to get it to look that way. I agree that it looks better on the LaserDisc, since it does look like lighting but that's not what it is.
Basically, I'm content with the 3D Blu-ray (whether its correct or not I do not know). The only part that I feel is still altered from the original release is the ballroom (Diamond Edition is over saturated with orange while the 3D Blu-ray is over saturated with yellow) and that it should look like what we saw in the Princess and the Frog trailer. If they did that, then it would be perfect. Not the LaserDisc but how I feel it was always intended to look.
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well, don't agree.
I always remember Cogsworth being brown.
from the cinema, the making of I saw on TV before that, publicity stills in magazines of the time etc.
And what do you have to say about the light in the initial morning scene?
it was never like that - orange.
I always remember the film like it is shown here in this making of. watch eg. at 9.00 and on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX0EoHx3w8
I always remember Cogsworth being brown.
from the cinema, the making of I saw on TV before that, publicity stills in magazines of the time etc.
And what do you have to say about the light in the initial morning scene?
it was never like that - orange.
I always remember the film like it is shown here in this making of. watch eg. at 9.00 and on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX0EoHx3w8
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The official explanation is that there were problems when transferring this all digital production to film. Inexperience with the technology caused the print to look off. Everything at the time; from theatrical prints to supplemental material to marketing used this problematic film transfer. Whether you choose to believe this is up to you but it does explain a lot..
All I know is that a simple adjustment of contrast and saturation, along with a dash of adjusted color hue to add the brownish look, easily replicates the look of the laserdisc. So the core colors are accurate, just adjusted differently. If you turn down the saturation, it mutes all the colors (bye bye orange lighting, hello white light) and allows the brownish look seep in (which doesn't seem like it'd be intentional). I'm no expert on color timing or even this movie, so it really doesn't matter what I think. What I can do is post the settings I have it at in VLC that perfectly replicates the laserdisc, for anyone interested in seeing this movie as you remember it only in HD (even the ballroom looks pretty close). If only VLC gave me some numbers to work with lol
All I know is that a simple adjustment of contrast and saturation, along with a dash of adjusted color hue to add the brownish look, easily replicates the look of the laserdisc. So the core colors are accurate, just adjusted differently. If you turn down the saturation, it mutes all the colors (bye bye orange lighting, hello white light) and allows the brownish look seep in (which doesn't seem like it'd be intentional). I'm no expert on color timing or even this movie, so it really doesn't matter what I think. What I can do is post the settings I have it at in VLC that perfectly replicates the laserdisc, for anyone interested in seeing this movie as you remember it only in HD (even the ballroom looks pretty close). If only VLC gave me some numbers to work with lol
well if you'd like to post your settings about the colors in VLC by all means do, (I'd be interested to test them) but I'm not sure that light in the bookshop window will be replicated.
Because it's not a matter only of color but of luminosity too.
if you turn on the brightness, the whole picture will turn bright..
but again, if it is like you say with the problematic transfer of all the material, still it would be good for all fans to have a restored version to the colors we saw at the theater (problematic or not).
For example: If E.T. in the E.T-The Extra Terrestrial movie was orange in reality, but due to a technical problem it couldn't appear so in the final film and all related material, should the bluray present hims as it was when they shot the film - meaning orange?
the whole matter would be resolved, if somehow we could find any original cells of Beauty and the beast, and then we could know how exactly were the original colors.
ok, here's one:
http://media.mightyape.net.nz/images/pr ... 076-5.jpeg
maybe Belle's dress was that yellow after all?
Oh, i wish i could show you my VHS. i just checked it. It has exquisite colors! and they are even better than the Laserdisc.
Yes, it doesn't have that brownish snow.. every white is white as it should be..
that scene seems accurate in the 3d bluray:
up: Film cell
middle: 3d Bluray
down: LD
Because it's not a matter only of color but of luminosity too.
if you turn on the brightness, the whole picture will turn bright..
but again, if it is like you say with the problematic transfer of all the material, still it would be good for all fans to have a restored version to the colors we saw at the theater (problematic or not).
For example: If E.T. in the E.T-The Extra Terrestrial movie was orange in reality, but due to a technical problem it couldn't appear so in the final film and all related material, should the bluray present hims as it was when they shot the film - meaning orange?
the whole matter would be resolved, if somehow we could find any original cells of Beauty and the beast, and then we could know how exactly were the original colors.
ok, here's one:
http://media.mightyape.net.nz/images/pr ... 076-5.jpeg
maybe Belle's dress was that yellow after all?
Oh, i wish i could show you my VHS. i just checked it. It has exquisite colors! and they are even better than the Laserdisc.
Yes, it doesn't have that brownish snow.. every white is white as it should be..
that scene seems accurate in the 3d bluray:
up: Film cell
middle: 3d Bluray
down: LD
Um... there are no cells of Belle, since this film was colored digitally.
I like the colors on the 3d blu ray the best, but I agree they are not quite the theatrical ones. COGSWORTH WAS BROWN IN THEATERS. Not "red velvet".
But yeah... probably can be fixed on VLC....
Shame the film is not the 1.66:1 open matte.... but its pretty close.
I like the colors on the 3d blu ray the best, but I agree they are not quite the theatrical ones. COGSWORTH WAS BROWN IN THEATERS. Not "red velvet".
But yeah... probably can be fixed on VLC....
Shame the film is not the 1.66:1 open matte.... but its pretty close.
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The picture he shows about isn't a film cel, correct, but it is a direct CAPS source. I believe Don Hahn said that once they put it on film and VHS the colors were incorrect and thats why they had to change them for the blu-ray, it seems as though it was just a suddle change for the blu-ray and the 3D is actual direct files.Marce82 wrote:Um... there are no cells of Belle, since this film was colored digitally.
I like the colors on the 3d blu ray the best, but I agree they are not quite the theatrical ones. COGSWORTH WAS BROWN IN THEATERS. Not "red velvet".
But yeah... probably can be fixed on VLC....
Shame the film is not the 1.66:1 open matte.... but its pretty close.
Are you sure?Marce82 wrote:Um... there are no cells of Belle, since this film was colored digitally.
I like the colors on the 3d blu ray the best, but I agree they are not quite the theatrical ones. COGSWORTH WAS BROWN IN THEATERS. Not "red velvet".
But yeah... probably can be fixed on VLC....
Shame the film is not the 1.66:1 open matte.... but its pretty close.
why in the above photo it says "Original Film cell"?
anyway, wanted to add, that in other scenes, the 3d bluray isn't good.
as in this, where all the prospect of the shadow in the lights is lost. (while it is preserved in the LD)
that is not due to a bad transfer, but due to an alteration in colors/shadows. It's clearly evident.
up: publicity still?
middle: 3d Bluray
down: Laserdisc
(still don't know how to post thumbnails)
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And some other comparisons between LD and BLuray 3d.
I watched all the first song in video side by side. (Laserdisc and Bluray 3d)
While some colors are good in the Bluray 3d (eg. Belle's hair, Gaston's outfit etc.), still the shots with the light, look better to me in the LD (left). (and more faithful to what i had seen)
also I like that the colors (eg in the trees etc.) are not so pronounced. It gives the film a romantic look..
I watched all the first song in video side by side. (Laserdisc and Bluray 3d)
While some colors are good in the Bluray 3d (eg. Belle's hair, Gaston's outfit etc.), still the shots with the light, look better to me in the LD (left). (and more faithful to what i had seen)
also I like that the colors (eg in the trees etc.) are not so pronounced. It gives the film a romantic look..
Oh, I am sure there are no original cells for Beauty and the Beast. There can be lithographs or printouts sourced from the digital files that made up the movie.
(starting with Rescuers Down Under, drawings were directly scanned and colored on the computer... no cell-painting involved. If you see a cell for this movie at a Disney Store, it is a limited edition reproduction, not an original)
I must say, looking at these comparisons... the LD looks kinda washed out... I find the colors in the 3D version to be the most pleasing/accurate... maybe not in the ball sequence....
(starting with Rescuers Down Under, drawings were directly scanned and colored on the computer... no cell-painting involved. If you see a cell for this movie at a Disney Store, it is a limited edition reproduction, not an original)
I must say, looking at these comparisons... the LD looks kinda washed out... I find the colors in the 3D version to be the most pleasing/accurate... maybe not in the ball sequence....
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Cool. I'm a little tired right now and I have work in the morning, so I'll screw around with the settings tomorrow. Hopefully I can give numerical settings for you to punch in or just screen capture if I have to. Either way, it really does come close to the laserdisc in look. That luminosity you speak of is contrast, where dark gets darker and light gets lighter (makes a light source bloom). Messing with the contrast will also mess up the colors, but then you just need to control the saturation to makes sure they don't get out of hand.filmmusic wrote:well if you'd like to post your settings about the colors in VLC by all means do, (I'd be interested to test them) but I'm not sure that light in the bookshop window will be replicated.
Because it's not a matter only of color but of luminosity too.
if you turn on the brightness, the whole picture will turn bright..