PPF, I'm sorry to hear that your mother wasn't too keen on the idea. But as everybody else said, I'm sure she'll get used to it with time. She's probably just in shock because, well, you're her son and it's different when it's your own child. She'll come around.
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Thanks Amy, PPF, and Widdi! I appreciate it! 
PPF, I'm sorry to hear that your mother wasn't too keen on the idea. But as everybody else said, I'm sure she'll get used to it with time. She's probably just in shock because, well, you're her son and it's different when it's your own child. She'll come around.
PPF, I'm sorry to hear that your mother wasn't too keen on the idea. But as everybody else said, I'm sure she'll get used to it with time. She's probably just in shock because, well, you're her son and it's different when it's your own child. She'll come around.
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Thanks for the comments, Isidour, Simba, and Ali. I really appreciate your support. 
I knew it wouldn't be easy, but I know that it's a lot of information for her to take in, and as you said she's probably going to need lots of time to just get used to it. Especially since I'm their only child. I just hope when my mom is more calm and thinking about it, she'll be very accepting of it.
I knew it wouldn't be easy, but I know that it's a lot of information for her to take in, and as you said she's probably going to need lots of time to just get used to it. Especially since I'm their only child. I just hope when my mom is more calm and thinking about it, she'll be very accepting of it.
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Coming out to your family can be very hard. I came out in 2005 was so bad that i literally ditched my family and moved out on my own in 2006. They still won't accept the fact that I am gay but it comes to the point sometimes, where you have to make that old decision. Do I want to be myself, or change just to please others....
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Long overdue for no good reason. Well, Prince Phillip Fan, Lady and the Tramp was made after World War II, in the 50's. I read it's possible the colors switched genders by that time since, in concentration camps, Nazis gave gay people a pink upside-down triangle, similar to how Jewish people wore the Star of David. Yes, that's how gays came up with the upside down triangle. But I read it might be evidence that by that time pink was for girls, because it meant the gay men were just like girls. Of course, this made no sense for lesbians, then, but maybe I can find out more.PrincePhillipFan wrote:Anyway, about the pink/red and blue discussion, I noticed something interesting not too long ago. In Lady And The Tramp, they mention that Jim Dear and Darling have a baby boy, yet the entire nursery in the movie is completely in pink. Makes me wonder if the Disney animators put a lot of research when they were animating the film, since the colors of pink/red for boys and blue for girls was still existant at the turn of the century.
Anyway, that does make it rather weird that the baby boy after this war would be in pink, but I suppose the idea of making pink for girls could have been slow getting from Germany to America. But it does possibly connect to the idea that Disney's films upheld old traditions, especially with gender. Have you heard of complaints that women in Disney's films are passive, while the men are more aggresive, save the girls, and just do more? Well, what if Disney kept the older idea of bright, loud pink for boys and soft, quiet blue for girls because of this?
However, I have lately been looking at the use of colors in Disney films and while it does seem the princesses seem to be very blue and the princes more red, some interesting things still happen. For instance, Snow White has touches of red and even a red cape, but she loses the cape. Cinderella's pink dress is destroyed, until her blue fairy godmother gives her a blue dress and when she dances with the prince, he becomes blue, too. In Sleeping Beauty, Aurora was going to have a pink dress, but she sleeps in blue, only to live happily ever after in the two colors alternating.
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I'm so sorry to hear that your parents haven't been accepting of it and it had gotten to that point. At least though you managed to make it on your own, and you've remained proud and true to yourself about it and haven't changed. I just hope that eventually your parents will be more accepting of it and realize that it's just a part of who you are.Disney Guru wrote:Coming out to your family can be very hard. I came out in 2005 was so bad that i literally ditched my family and moved out on my own in 2006. They still won't accept the fact that I am gay but it comes to the point sometimes, where you have to make that old decision. Do I want to be myself, or change just to please others....
I never really thought of that before, but it is an interesting color analysis. I wonder if maybe the animators intentionally thought of that, or it was just a coincidence. Up until Sleeping Beauty, the animators would always themselves pick the color for the clothing for the chracters they animated. For Sleeping Beauty however, the entire color design was entrusted to Eyvind Earle and he personally selected each color scheme of the character's design.Disney Duster wrote:Cinderella's pink dress is destroyed, until her blue fairy godmother gives her a blue dress and when she dances with the prince, he becomes blue, too. In Sleeping Beauty, Aurora was going to have a pink dress, but she sleeps in blue, only to live happily ever after in the two colors alternating.
Anyway, I wonder really about Lady And The Tramp, if the colors of pink for baby boy were still in place for the 50s, or if they had changed. Maybe as Flanger-Hanger said, the animators just researched about it since Lady takes place at the turn of the century, or maybe the old color designation of blue and pink was still around by the 50s.
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The two off the top of my head...
The Mostly Unfabulous Social Life of Ethan Green
My Own Private Idaho
...and thought they aren't, per se "gay" movies, both "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" and "Wonder Boys" have gay major characters and are both excellent movies.
Plus, if you ever have the six hours to commit to it, "Angels in America" is beautiful.
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...and thought they aren't, per se "gay" movies, both "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" and "Wonder Boys" have gay major characters and are both excellent movies.
Plus, if you ever have the six hours to commit to it, "Angels in America" is beautiful.
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I agree with Brendan that Angels In America is a really beautiful movie/miniseries. If you get the chance, I strongly suggest you look into that. 
A movie I recently saw that I thought was pretty good was a film called the Broken Hearts Club I loaned from my school's center. The plot can be rather cliche, and some of the characters annoying sometimes, but I think it's a good look into the relationship between a group of gay friends and their lives together.
Off topic, but a book I bought recently that I just finished, and thought was great is Fairy tales: Traditional Stories Retold For Gay Men. Using a mix of classic and some unknown fairy tales, it takes the basis of them and changes and interprets them with gay main characters of various different personalities, along with themes such as finding yourself, coming out, relationships, and others. It's a nice mix of goofy and funny stories, and also a lot of very sincere ones with deep emotional and moral gay messages. I'm going to see if I can find its sequel book Gay Fairy & Folk Tales as well.
A movie I recently saw that I thought was pretty good was a film called the Broken Hearts Club I loaned from my school's center. The plot can be rather cliche, and some of the characters annoying sometimes, but I think it's a good look into the relationship between a group of gay friends and their lives together.
Off topic, but a book I bought recently that I just finished, and thought was great is Fairy tales: Traditional Stories Retold For Gay Men. Using a mix of classic and some unknown fairy tales, it takes the basis of them and changes and interprets them with gay main characters of various different personalities, along with themes such as finding yourself, coming out, relationships, and others. It's a nice mix of goofy and funny stories, and also a lot of very sincere ones with deep emotional and moral gay messages. I'm going to see if I can find its sequel book Gay Fairy & Folk Tales as well.
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Thanks for the recommendations. I just happened to start thinking about it today since I just glanced at the "gay cinema" section of DVDs at HMV. Right next to the "musicals" section.
When I first saw this, two things were going through my head. One "What horrible stereotyping!" and two "How convenient".
Also, what is that thing in your avatar Brendon?
When I first saw this, two things were going through my head. One "What horrible stereotyping!" and two "How convenient".
Also, what is that thing in your avatar Brendon?

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Don't tell me you haven't yet experienced the joys and wonder that is Mrs. Doubtfire...
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Same here. There are soooooooooooo many famous-films-which-everyone-expects-you-to-have-seen that I have not seen.
Lemme see...
Star Wars, not one of 'em. The Godfather, neither (I barely know what it's about). And there's apparently this masterpiece called Citizen Kane which, ahem ... you guessed it - I have not seen either. Suffice to say I don't even know when it was released, what genre of film it is, and what studio produced it. I just see you people talking about it and Richard Roeper mentioning it on "At the Movies with Ebert and Roeper", which I watch online.
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Star Wars, not one of 'em. The Godfather, neither (I barely know what it's about). And there's apparently this masterpiece called Citizen Kane which, ahem ... you guessed it - I have not seen either. Suffice to say I don't even know when it was released, what genre of film it is, and what studio produced it. I just see you people talking about it and Richard Roeper mentioning it on "At the Movies with Ebert and Roeper", which I watch online.
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The original untouched non-CGI-happy 1977 Star Wars is an amazing visual achievement. If only the script was just as impressive...May the Force be with Jules wrote:Star Wars, not one of 'em.
The Empire Strikes Back is the best of the six films.
Return of the Jedi is like two movies. The first part focuses on rescuing Han, and then the rest is pretty much a retread of sequences from Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, except set and scripted to ROTJ environments and characters.
The prequels are love-em-hate-em-or-be-indifferent-to films. I'm indifferent to them.
It's about the mafia, or more specifically, Michael Corleone and his mafia family circa 1945. The Godfather, Part II continues where the first left off, but also splits its time with flashbacks to 1901 and 1917-1925 (when Vito, Michael's father, was younger). The Godfather, Part III is set in 1979 and is generally regarded as a three-hour waste of time that should've been handled better. But it is an interesting sequel (that suffers from relying too much on the assumption that the audience has seen Part I and Part II, otherwise they'd be confused as hell).I'm gonna make Jules an offer he can't refuse wrote:The Godfather, neither (I barely know what it's about).
1940, drama/quasi-biography (Kane is a fictional version of William Randolph Hearst), RKO Radio Pictures.Citizen Jules wrote:And there's apparently this masterpiece called Citizen Kane which, ahem ... you guessed it - I have not seen either. Suffice to say I don't even know when it was released, what genre of film it is, and what studio produced it.
Like Star Wars, it's a cinematic innovation for its time (for its then-unique use of camera angles, deep focus, make-up, sound, etc.), but the story is about as vapid and melodramatic as poorly-written high school poetry. Seriously, it bores me to death if ever I watch it (and film snobs everywhere are now lining up to throw tomatoes at me...).
The best teacher you know is yourself! Who else will prompt you to learn about something you're curious about? Who else will read and study things that you'll remember? Who else will...well...who else will say, "Okay, today I want to learn about [insert subject], so I will go and learn about [insert subject]".Animating Jules wrote:I want to know so much about animation, and it seems there is nobody to teach me. Sigh...
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Since I'm pressed for time, I can only reply to one thing. Economy on words.
There simply aren't enough people who are passionate about the animation itself, about the art! Oh ... and it doesn't take much effort to learn what certain things mean if you read the posts of people here who know their stuff. I learned what 'art direction' meant through some post of netty about 2 years ago, and have remembered the meaning ever since.
I have more things to say but I've run out of time!
Sorry for the confession/I want!/rantish element of the post.
You are perfectly right, and I can prove that by bringing up a post I may have written at UD two years ago, and another written recently. The result - I have learned tons about animation from this forum alone. However, the internet simply doesn't all satisfy. I think I need to buy books on the subject. The only reason I haven't done so yet is probably to keep my DVD collection growing steadily. In the end, I want to learn. I sooooo want to learn. I come to this site not to talk of slipcovers and cover art. I registered here because I'm genuinely interested in what makes animation an art, and I want to understand it. I'm interested in upcoming Disney animated films - not for the dolls and toys that will result from their releases, but for the enjoyment and appreciation of the said films. Sadly these topics crop up very rarely on the forum. The animation-appreciation-and-understanding thing was addressed recently in the "Old Disney Classics" thread I believe, when Ariel'sprince expressed his dislike for Pinocchio's animation. I really enjoyed MagicMirror's posts, because he discussed precisely what I feel should be one of the most important topics of discussion here, namely, animation! Most people here call themselves fans of the Disney animated films ... but are they really interested in animation? You find people who go nuts over the princesses and can't tell the difference between art direction and animation (e.g. Princesslove91: Eeew! i heted atlantis it sucked. the people have square finger an toes, what crrapy animation!)Scaps wrote:The best teacher you know is yourself! Who else will prompt you to learn about something you're curious about? Who else will read and study things that you'll remember? Who else will...well...who else will say, "Okay, today I want to learn about [insert subject], so I will go and learn about [insert subject]".
There simply aren't enough people who are passionate about the animation itself, about the art! Oh ... and it doesn't take much effort to learn what certain things mean if you read the posts of people here who know their stuff. I learned what 'art direction' meant through some post of netty about 2 years ago, and have remembered the meaning ever since.
I have more things to say but I've run out of time!
Let me be one of the first then! [picks up tomato]The Fires of Escapay wrote:1940, drama/quasi-biography (Kane is a fictional version of William Randolph Hearst), RKO Radio Pictures.
Like Star Wars, it's a cinematic innovation for its time (for its then-unique use of camera angles, deep focus, make-up, sound, etc.), but the story is about as vapid and melodramatic as poorly-written high school poetry. Seriously, it bores me to death if ever I watch it (and film snobs everywhere are now lining up to throw tomatoes at me...).
As we've often discussed when bemoaning Fantasia censorship, the non-release of Song of the South or Leonard Maltin's introductions on the Treasures sets, vintage film has to be looked at in context. And Citizen Kane is an amazing film when viewed in context for so many reasons.
Firstly, as Escapay point's out, this film showcased many technical innovations. They've become part of the film experience now, but like Ub Iworks' innovations in the 30s and 40s in animation (any later, beyond), the impact of these cannot be understated. All, in all, they're probably just as important historically as Jurassic Park was with its groundbreaking use of CGI and everything that came afterwards.
Secondly, the film is - probably satire is the wrong word - but it's a modern morailty tale, which constantly warns the audience of the dangers of a single person having too much power. It seems laughable now in the days of vast media empires like Disney and Fox, but Citizen Kane really did have something serious and relevant to say about the media, politics and influence. When asked what people will think, and Kane replies "What I tell them to think." is just as relevant today as it was then. More so, I'd wager.
Thirdly, I think it's wrong to dismiss the script. It really does have lots of quick and witty one liners and quotes in it. Considering Wells was - what, I forget, but his late 20s? - when it co-wrote, directed and acted in it, it's an incredibly bold and confident film. And the whole Rosebud mystery and conclusion is, I think, very poignant and revealing. For all his wealth, power and achievements – good and bad – it implies Kane himself hated what he had become. So did nature make the man, or did nurture make the man – against nature's intent?
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So take that Albert!
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I know I'd rather see Citizen Kane over any Godfather (or Star Wars) film anyday.
As for important films I've not seen I've never seen The Princess Bride. (I know we have a thread for this, so I'll post my response in there too)
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