Encanto

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It could also be a sad reprise.

That's even more likely.

There's a small neighboring town, so maybe he went there? If he did leave, I think he did that when he was younger, before Mirabel and the rest of the grandkids were born. I think the kids never met him and don't know he exists. Maybe Alma was so heartbroken or ashamed he abandoned them, he instructed her daughters to not talk about him. Bruno shown wearing a cape and hiding in the posters makes me believe he only comes back to warn them about the house losing its magic and feels uncomfortable, anxious, or embarrassed to see them again.

It seems you weren't too far wrong. There's even a song called "We Don't Talk About Bruno":

And then there's Bruno (John Leguizamo), the black sheep of the family, whose visions of the future cause nothing but trouble for the Madrigals. No one ever talks about him, at least not in conversations. Miranda wrote a song dedicated to the character.

"We Don't Talk About Bruno" is one of Encanto's biggest musical numbers, which visualizes Pepa breaking the rule of not talking about Bruno, and how his visions ruined her wedding day, not to mention the lives of the entire town.

Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/09/29/ ... cal-story/

It looks like some of our theories were correct. It seems Mirabel will have to gather the fragments of something that's glowing and that she will be going into mini-quests in different realms with each sibling/cousin.

Yes, it seems she'll have a mission to do in several of them at least. I hope that fragment is a one-time thing, though, and she doesn't need to gather more of them. It would be too similar to Raya. As for being accompanied by one family member in each realm, she seems to be with Antonio and Bruno in Antonio's, but in all the shots from Bruno's it looks like she's alone (I guess his realm is the one full of sand, rocks and hourglass symbols).

The weirdest part was Luisa fighting a Cerberus. That's not part of Latin-American mythology. Couldn't they have found a culturally relevant creature for her to fight?

I've seen there's a similar creature in Paraguayan mythology called Teyú Yaguá. Maybe that's what the monster in the trailer is. By the way, I think that has to be Luisa's realm, as well as the shots when Mirabel and her are climbing and surfing. I guess it's where she trains.

Of course, he did. He's literally incapable of working on a project regardless of genre or setting without including some rap.

I'm surprised Bruno will rap. It doesn't seem to fit his personality.

So he left because they mistreated him for warning them about the bad things that were going to happen? Shouldn't they have been grateful to him? If they know what's going to happen, they can prevent it from happening, right?

Here's a bit more info about that. Maybe, it'll make more sense in the movie, but I agree that the family doesn't seem to treat him (or Mirabel) too well.

Julieta was one of triplets. Her brother is Bruno (John Leguizamo) who has the gift of prophecy. Unfortunately, his visions of the future were inevitably unhappy and people came to blame him for causing the misfortunes he saw, resulting in his disappearance from the family altogether.

Source: https://allears.net/2021/09/29/the-crea ... haracters/

Moana was mentioned because the films share the same songwriter as well as due to the fact that Moana has become really popular on streaming.

Jared Bush, who is one of the directors, also worked on Moana as screenwriter. Maybe that also contributed to the decision of choosing to mention that film.

I think the ones with powers need to conserve their magic or stay put or something like that and that's why Mirabel needs to go search for answers on her own. Upon rewatching the trailer, I don't think the rest of the family is going to be part of her quest except for maybe Bruno and Antonio. The scenes with Luisa are from before the house started losing its magic.

Maybe you're right the other members can't leave the house. There are too many shots of them inside with the walls cracking. They should've had time to escape from there.

Why is Luisa bulked up, for example? If her power is magic, then it has nothing to do with her muscles.

That's true, but it seems everyone has a power that is related to their hobbies. Antonio, for example, loves animals and I guess Julieta likes cooking, so Luisa's hobby is probably doing exercise.

I had thought of the part where Elsa slams her foot and makes the first part of her ice palace (the fractals).

It's very similar to that too.

New Disney crossover

The pose is quite similar. I think both characters are drawn by Jin Kim there. I know Maui is, but the Luisa drawing also looks like his style.

I can only imagine what she must of felt like seeing this

Poor Mirabel. Nobody seems to even notice she's not in the photo.

[Nandor]

Something popped up in my head while watching the trailer - it wouldn't surprise me if Mirabel fails her quest and magic ends, prompting her family members to realise they're just as special without their powers.
Just wanted to call it in case I'm right

[Jules]

Something popped up in my head while watching the trailer - it wouldn't surprise me if Mirabel fails her quest and magic ends, prompting her family members to realise they're just as special without their powers.
Just wanted to call it in case I'm right

I kind of had similar thoughts too!

Guess we'll have to watch the movie to find out.

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• First look at the Isabela doll itself:


Source: https://twitter.com/ashrose31/status/14 ... 1624035328


• First look at a Mirabel singing doll, also from Jakks Pacific. I hope someone records and shares the snippet of the song she sings.


Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUb0BsrrhWI/


• A karaoke and a microphone have also been added on Walmart's website. According to the back of the box, the microphone plays the song "The Family Madrigal".


• Speaking of the songs, I've compiled the info that has been revealed so far about "The Madrigal Family" and two other musical numbers from the film:


The Family Madrigal

As part of the Early Press Day, we were shown about 20 minutes of footage still under development to get a sense of how the film begins. It starts with Mirabel being begged by the neighborhood children to tell them about her magical family, which she does at length, in a musical number that introduces the family members and their powers. Although she tries to avoid mentioning it, the fact that Mirabel is the only non-magical member of the family quickly becomes evident and she is the object of their sympathy and pity.

Source: https://allears.net/2021/09/29/the-crea ... haracters/

Miranda liked the unique sound of the Colombian instrumentation and orchestration, and especially liked the emphasis on the accordion. He mixed genres, using a reggaeton vibe for Luisa. But, for the opening song, "Family Madrigal," in which Mirabelle introduces her large extended family, Miranda was inspired by Howard Ashman and Alan Menken's "Belle," which opens "Beauty and the Beast."

"The fun was finding a song that could hold all of that information across three generations," said Miranda in the production notes. "Then it becomes a puzzle to put together, as Stephen Sondheim might say. We start with [the grandmother] Abuela [María Cecilia Botero] and work through each generation."

Source: https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/encan ... 234667778/

How was it working on that opening number where we get introduced to the entire family?

Kai Martinez (Animation Reference Consultant): It was a task. When we heard that song, at first we were like, "Wow!". First of all, it's a very long song, and then when you think it ends, oh no, it keeps going! And she (Mirabel) is telling a lot of story; she's saying a lot. And we were in this space of just a dance studio, so we had to recreate spaces of being in the town, being in the house... The way we recreated the house and the drawers was that we had shoe boxes and some of the dancers would just hold out the shoe box when it was their time to the music. And we had her going upstairs and we didn't have stairs to go up, so we would just kind of walk. So it really made us use our imagination. Also, we had a limited cast because we're doing this during Covid, and we can only have a certain number of people there, so we were playing multiple roles. There was a time when I was the mom, and then I was the uncle, and then we had someone being the grandmother and being Antonio... So we had to mentally shift our minds to get into the different characters. And lastly, what I'll say is that we were also wearing masks because of Covid, so imagine dancing and creating and emoting with the mask on. It really causes to emote more with our bodies, get into our bodies more. It was a fun challenge, though, I would definitely say.

Source: https://youtu.be/TU7MAEPHDGg?t=490


Surface Pressure

Director Jared Bush further explained how the songs worked to deepen a character. Regarding a song called "Surface Pressure," sung by Mirabel's ultra-strong sister Luisa (Jessica Darrow), Howard told IGN that Miranda's lyrics gave Luisa more depth.

"I think early on we knew that we had this sister who is incredibly strong and had all of these responsibilities but what [Miranda] added to that song, that really informed her character and changed her, was this notion of that responsibility being so hard and how behind-the-scenes with her it was a struggle," said Bush. "And I think he looked to his own family for that, and to give voice to that. It's a responsibility that some people take on, happily, but it does take a toll. And then knowing that with that character actually really grounded her. She's a fun, comedic, and broad character but to have this grounded soul really changed the way we saw her as she moved through the script."

Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/encanto-di ... da-mirabel

All three of us and Lin together really crafted the story for years together. And so it's really this amazing circular back and forth process where Charise and I would be working on characters and backstories. And then trying to find places that we thought maybe or maybe not a song would work and we talked to Lin about it and he'd think about it and come back with an amazing piece of music that we would then fold back in. I think Louise's song "Surface Pressure" is a really good example of that, where he wrote this awesome reggaeton song for Louisa and really grounded her as a character and we loved it so much and incorporated that into Louisa for the rest of the story and even sort of rippled it back through the script.

Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/09/29/ ... el-miranda

Louisa's been a standout for us for so long. We knew we had this character who was super strong and the rock of the family and was carrying all these responsibilities. Charise and I spent a lot of time getting into that frame of mind. But to be honest, when we talked to Lin [Manuel Miranda] about that, he was like, "I definitely know what that needs to be. It's gotta be reggaeton." And we're like, “Okay. Great!” And then he disappeared. And then he came back with that song, and the first time we heard that beat come in, we were super excited. But then getting into the lyrics where you get all this fire and this strength – and then it gives way to these really emotional moments and this vulnerable secret side. It was really exciting to us. Lin has this amazing ability to deliver songs that are really exciting and you've never heard before but speak to something so relatable to so many of us and really distill it down to something that is super catchy. That song gets stuck in your head but also makes you feel it and you feel you're a part of that song as well.

Source: https://www.animationscoop.com/intervie ... e-encanto/

One of the songs I worked on the design and color for was Luisa's song, for example. I was listening to the music, and it was with Lin's voice. Earlier on, we didn't have the cast yet, so a lot of the songs that we listened to in the art [department] for the color were by Lin.

It was amazing because, at some point, I was so used to Lin's voice that it was very odd to listen to the new cast. It was definitely inspiring because we needed that piece to be able to do our work. And they're definitely beautiful songs.

Source: https://screenrant.com/encanto-movie-lo ... interview/

Thus, the animators had to take advantage of various details of the home, such as having "the beautiful Colombian shutters open up and down like a wave." And, on the other hand, to play with a color palette in the absence of environments, as when at one point in the film Luisa - one of the characters - sings a song.

"It was a challenge because it was a bit abstract, it wasn't set in a place and it was very emotional. How could we show an emotion through color and not with a lot of things? Everything in this film was very challenging," Bové said.

Source: https://rpp.pe/tv/streaming/disney-plus ... ia-1359871


We Don't Talk About Bruno

There is a song in the movie called "We Don't Talk About Bruno." I'll avoid spoilers here but just know he's an incredibly important character and worth taking note of here.

Source: https://www.slashfilm.com/618926/encant ... -colombia/

John Leguizamo is Bruno, who is mysterious and as viewers will learn very quickly, we don't talk about Bruno. He perfectly captures the mystery, ambiance, and singing that the creators wanted with that character.

Source: https://mamasgeeky.com/2021/09/disney-e ... amily.html

Mirabel's Tio Bruno… "We don't talk about Bruno," Jared Bush explained. It's a mysterious part of Mirabel's family tree and there's even a song about it in the film, written by Lin-Manuel Miranda. Actually, we do know a little about Bruno. He's voiced by John Leguizamo and his special gift is the ability to see the future, but the family was freaked out by the darkness of some of his visions and he disappeared mysteriously.

Source: https://www.laughingplace.com/w/article ... atability/

We usually have one or two huge numbers in a Disney animated film, but there are many in this film. When you look at a song like "We Don't Talk About Bruno," which is a huge ensemble number, it is so fantastic. And there's so much more of that in the film that people are going to be super excited to see.

Source: https://screenrant.com/encanto-movie-yv ... interview/

And then there's Bruno (John Leguizamo), the black sheep of the family, whose visions of the future cause nothing but trouble for the Madrigals. No one ever talks about him, at least not in conversations. Miranda wrote a song dedicated to the character.

"We Don't Talk About Bruno" is one of Encanto's biggest musical numbers, which visualizes Pepa breaking the rule of not talking about Bruno, and how his visions ruined her wedding day, not to mention the lives of the entire town.

Source: https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/09/29/ ... cal-story/

One of the really interesting ways culture is being brought to life on screen in Encanto is through dance. We got to see a really cool extended play-by-play of how they brought to life one of the big dance numbers in the movie to a song called "We Don't Talk About Bruno," which is the biggest earworm I've had in a while. Disney brought in Kai Martinez as an animation reference consultant when it came to the dancing and, alongside choreographer Jamal Sims created the intricate dances that we see in the movie.

Source: https://bleedingcool.com/movies/encanto ... ugh-dance/

As we continued to move on, on top of having the amazing storytelling of Lin-Manuel Miranda - and he gave us so much - and the conversations with the directors, we had so much information about these characters: what they were doing, what their intentions were, and how they would approach a situation. For example, in "We Don't Talk About Bruno," we knew how each character would approach their interactions with Bruno and what happened with their interactions.

For us, it forced us to really dive deep into each character and pull out something unique for each one of them.

Source: https://screenrant.com/encanto-movie-ka ... interview/

The creatives hired choreographer Jamal Sims (RUPAUL’S DRAG RACE) to get proper dance movements down during the “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” sequence, which shows the family members singing to Mirabel about why Bruno has been shunned from the Madrigals. Animation Reference Consultant Kai Martinez worked closely with Sims to make this musical number a true stand-out. She says, “We had to not only dance, but we had to create these acting moments and personify these characters.” For example, with Dolores, “the music sounded very quiet and she can hear everything. So we imagined that if you can hear everything, you might be a little quieter. You might [have] a little bit more of a cat-like movement.”

Source: https://freshfiction.tv/what-you-can-ex ... s-encanto/

Speaking of the film’s choreography, Lehtomaki explains, “As soon as our animation department saw [the reference clip for one of the film’s big numbers, ‘We Don’t Talk About Bruno’], we were so inspired and excited to work on this thing that we actually decided to put people to work on it early. Renato and I got a team of animators together and we put them to work, using the choreography video as reference, concurrently with our layout team. So the animators would start to very, very roughly translate the dance onto the characters, paying really close attention to how they were moving in the physical 3D space.”

Source: https://d23.com/7-spellbinding-stories- ... onference/


Here are also a color script and a dance progression for that last musical number.

To summarize, these are the songs we know something about so far:

- "The Family Madrigal" (the opening number sung by Mirabel).
- "Surface Pressure" (Luisa's song).
- "We Don't Talk About Bruno" (ensemble song). This and the previous one are probably from the first act of the movie since they were part of the footage some journalists have seen.
- The love song Byron Howard described as "a ballad that sounds like it had been around for a hundred years", which I think could be one of the two songs entirely in Spanish the film has.
- "Colombia, Mi Encanto" (performed by Carlos Vives). Since this one's about Colombia and not about a particular character or story moment and is sung by a famous Colombian singer, I think it's most likely the end credits song. The one heard in the last trailer is this song too, right?
- Bruno's song: this one's not completely confirmed. We know Bruno will rap in the film, but it could be during "We Don't Talk About Bruno" or another ensemble song.
- The big musical set piece in the middle of the film, mentioned in that recent presentation about the movie, where in the background a different kind of animation is used. It's possible, though, that this description is for one of the musical numbers I've already mentioned and not a different one.

So, we've learned at least about all but three of the eight songs there are in the film. It may even be just one song we don't know anything about. What do you guys think about the songs revealed so far? And what are your guesses for the rest? Personally, I'm curious about all of them. As for my guesses, I think Isabela at least will get her own solo, since like Luisa, she also has personal issues she could sing about. And I think Mirabel will get another musical number. I don't think "The Madrigal Family" will count as an "I want" song and she'll definitely get a moment like that.

[Farerb]

Concept art of Isabela:

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^She looks beautiful in both, especially in the first. That drawing also seems made by Jin Kim. Didn't he leave Disney? However, every new movie from the studio has lots of drawings made by him. I guess he works for them as a freelance artist, right? If so, I'm very glad about it. This way, it's like he never left the studio.

Here are those two pieces of concept art and some more in really high resolution: https://in.ign.com/disneys-encanto/1678 ... oncept-art

And here's a look at the Magical Casa Madrigal from JAKKS Pacific. It seems to confirm Bruno's realm is the one with high rock formations and sand we saw at the end of the trailer.


Source: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005196/en/

By the way, I've updated the last part of my previous post because I realized I forgot to add a couple of possible songs.

[Farerb]

So, we've learned at least about all but three of the eight songs there are in the film. It may even be just one song we don't know anything about. What do you guys think about the songs revealed so far? And what are your guesses for the rest? Personally, I'm curious about all of them. As for my guesses, I think Isabela at least will get her own solo, since like Luisa, she also has personal issues she could sing about. And I think Mirabel will get another musical number. I don't think "The Madrigal Family" will count as an "I want" song and she'll definitely get a moment like that.

Thank you for all the information you provided. You're always doing such a good job of research and bringing all of this to us.
I don't really have an opinion on the songs so far, I need to listen to them first. I think you're correct about Isabela getting a solo and maybe we'll get something with Antonio (maybe a duet with Mirabel). However I don't think Mirabel will get a full I want song, I think some parts of the opening song will include it, something about it reminds me of Some Things Never Change. Maybe there'll be a reprise like in Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin.

[D82]

Thanks for your kind words, Farerb. It's a pleasure for me. Plus, I would do all this research just for me anyway since I always get very excited for every new Disney film and I want to know everything about it. Though, of course, it's much more fun to share it with other fellow Disney fans and discuss it together.

The little info we got about some of these songs sounds promising to me, but you're right it's too early to have an opinion of them. A duet with Mirabel and Antonio would be nice. Regarding Mirabel getting her own I want song, since this movie has so many characters who will have to compete for screen time, maybe you're right she won't get one more full song. Also, come to think of it, Lin said the opening number was inspired by "Belle", so maybe you're right it'll work partly as an I want song like that one did. And perhaps the inspiration from "Belle" also included the reprise, and it'll have one as you said. The shot of Mirabel with fireworks in the background looks like it could be just that. If she doesn't get more than one musical number, though, I hope at least it's good.

[Disney's Divinity]

As far as Bruno, perhaps the family simply decided they want to live in the now and enjoy their lives than worry over whatever is to come that they can't prevent? That 'lesson' could be at the heart of the conflict between Bruno and the others.

Sounds like that's the case if Pepa's wedding was ruined because of him. They probably listened to him in order to make things turn out alright, they ended up making themselves miserable throughout it all, and nothing they did could prevent what happened anyway. Seeing the future would be a curse if the future is immovable. It's sort of like fate--you can't fight it, usually thinking you're fighting fate is what brings that fate about in most stories that revolve around the concept.

[Farerb]

Thanks for your kind words, Farerb. It's a pleasure for me. Plus, I would do all this research just for me anyway since I always get very excited for every new Disney film and I want to know everything about it. Though, of course, it's much more fun to share it with other fellow Disney fans and discuss it together.

The little info we got about some of these songs sounds promising to me, but you're right it's too early to have an opinion of them. A duet with Mirabel and Antonio would be nice. Regarding Mirabel getting her own I want song, since this movie has so many characters who will have to compete for screen time, maybe you're right she won't get one more full song. Also, come to think of it, Lin said the opening number was inspired by "Belle", so maybe you're right it'll work partly as an I want song like that one did. And perhaps the inspiration from "Belle" also included the reprise, and it'll have one as you said. The shot of Mirabel with fireworks in the background looks like it could be just that. If she doesn't get more than one musical number, though, I hope at least it's good.

You're welcome
I do think Mirabel might get her own song later in the movie, I just don't think it will be an "I Want" song, I think it will be a "I am Moana"/"Show Yourself" song (don't know how to call this type of song).

[D82]

I do think Mirabel might get her own song later in the movie, I just don't think it will be an "I Want" song, I think it will be a "I am Moana"/"Show Yourself" song (don't know how to call this type of song).

Oh, OK. Well, that sounds likely too. Moana and Elsa's songs were about getting to know themselves, and most likely Mirabel will also have a similar moment in the film; she'll have to accept she's special just as she is.

Sounds like that's the case if Pepa's wedding was ruined because of him. They probably listened to him in order to make things turn out alright, they ended up making themselves miserable throughout it all, and nothing they did could prevent what happened anyway. Seeing the future would be a curse if the future is immovable. It's sort of like fate--you can't fight it, usually thinking you're fighting fate is what brings that fate about in most stories that revolve around the concept.

I believe it'll indeed be something similar to that. I think the part in bold below is probably the key to understand why the people in the Encanto were upset with Bruno:

Julieta was one of triplets. Her brother is Bruno (John Leguizamo) who has the gift of prophecy. Unfortunately, his visions of the future were inevitably unhappy and people came to blame him for causing the misfortunes he saw, resulting in his disappearance from the family altogether.

Source: https://allears.net/2021/09/29/the-crea ... haracters/

In the color script it seems what ruins Pepa's wedding is the weather. I may be wrong, but I believe what happens in that scene is that Bruno predicts they'll have bad weather in their wedding. That makes Pepa nervous, and since her emotions control the weather, the prophecy is fulfilled. Same with other family members and people from the village. Bruno's intentions are probably not bad, but people begin to think he's the one who causes his own predictions to happen. And maybe he does, albeit unintentionally. I also think he not only can see the negative things from the future, but since he's so pessimistic, those are the things he focuses on. Maybe at the end, he'll learn to see the positive things too, or at least, to not try to prevent every little negative thing to happen.

Speaking of the color script, I've noticed a couple more things in it. First, it seems green is the color that represents Bruno's magic. His eyes turn green, for instance, when he's predicting the future to Pepa in the third vignette. And second, the shards of glass, or whatever they are, which glow with a green light can also be seen here. In the trailer they appeared in the shots that seemed to take place in Bruno's realm. That and their color makes me think they're related to him. Maybe he can store the prophecies he sees in them or something? The last vignettes seem to suggest so. Perhaps Mirabel finds the broken shards in Bruno's room and that's what allows her to see the cracks in the walls before everyone else sees them.

Something popped up in my head while watching the trailer - it wouldn't surprise me if Mirabel fails her quest and magic ends, prompting her family members to realise they're just as special without their powers.
Just wanted to call it in case I'm right

That could be an interesting and unexpected ending. Although, it would mean Casita would die too, and I don't know if they would actually "kill" that character.

[unprincess]

Ive been mostly staying away from this thread bc its a minefield of spoilers. Ive only been quickly skimming it for the art, posters and toy pics. So judging by his lack of appearances in merchandise and book covers it looks like I was wrong about Camillo, he's not going to be all that important in the story, but more of a comic relief supporting character. Too bad, I really hope he at least gets one doll, really want a doll of him. In fact Id love dolls of all the kids! Those mini figures are fug though, not surprisingly, Hasbro(Jakks?) cant seem to make cute mini figures unless they're based on the Pocket Princesses. Also glad Cam got some more scenes in the trailer, looks like his power is gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaking of toys I'm surprised Jakks is making the dolls. Did Hasbro lose their Disney animated film license? I couldn't find any info about it on google other that that Jaaks is making the Encanto toys but nothing about whether its a one time thing or if they will be making the toys based on other past Disney films and future releases (including the Princess and Frozen lines.)

I liked the trailer, so Mirabel goes on some kind of quest to save the house which is losing its magic and each room is some sort of portal? I wonder what Cam's room looks like? Lots of mirrors? The house shrugging at the end was funny, the animals ( that toucan!) are super cute, Mirabel is cute, Antonio is cute, the whole family is cute! Dont get me wrong, its still all pretty generic looking as far as being a Disney CGI film...art and story wise I dont think there is gonna be anything new and groundbreaking, but if I have to sit and watch a generic Hollywood studio made CGI film these days Id rather watch a Disney one than something from Dreamworks or Illumination.

there is one thing that bugged me though...that ceberus. I have no idea why they are fighting a ceberus in...Columbia, but isnt that the same design as the one from Hercules(with different colors)? Have they gotten so lazy that they're not just reusing CGI models from past CGI film but reusing designs from hand-drawn films?

as for the posters, I like them but I agree that the clip art reuse is getting out of hand now for these. Raya's posters had the same problem. They're pretty but after you look at them for a while you start noticing the repetition of the re-used art. I remember when CGI films would still get unique poster art, like the magical landscapes with Anna/Elsa gazing at the castle at a distance for Frozen and all those cool foreign ones with the lanterns and boat and tower from Tangled. I think the reused clip art trend started with Moana but Im not sure.

btw, if anyone decides to reply to any of my posts, please spoiler tag anything that hasn't been shown in the trailers. I haven't read all the articles linked here...thanks!

[Disney's Divinity]

^ Cerberus from Hercules wasn't CGI though, that was just the Hydra. I personally liked the Hercules design better than the one here. I don't have a problem with that kind of creature appearing, although maybe a Minotaur or a giant bull would've been more interesting?

[D82]

New article about the songs. It includes some info about the last song of the movie.

Disney’s Encanto Has Even More Smash Hits From Lin-Manuel Miranda
https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/ ... el-miranda


Speaking of the songs, I've realized that "Colombia, Mi Encanto", which is featured in both trailers, is probably one of the two songs completely in Spanish the film has. It's performed by a Colombian artist, it has a Spanish title, and all we've heard from it so far is in Spanish.

Ive been mostly staying away from this thread bc its a minefield of spoilers. Ive only been quickly skimming it for the art, posters and toy pics.

No major spoilers have leaked yet, but if you prefer not knowing too much about the story beforehand, you're doing the right thing by avoiding reading the written parts of the thread. I tried to spoiler tag most of the things that could be considered spoilers at first, but we all have different definitions of what a spoiler is, so it's not easy to know what could be spoilery for others and what's not.

So judging by his lack of appearances in merchandise and book covers it looks like I was wrong about Camillo, he's not going to be all that important in the story, but more of a comic relief supporting character.

Yes, that's what it seems. I also thought he would be more important at first. The character descriptions that were leaked seemed to suggest so.

Speaking of toys I'm surprised Jakks is making the dolls. Did Hasbro lose their Disney animated film license? I couldn't find any info about it on google other that that Jaaks is making the Encanto toys but nothing about whether its a one time thing or if they will be making the toys based on other past Disney films and future releases (including the Princess and Frozen lines.)

I have no idea. I don't know much about Disney dolls, but Jakks Pacific making the dolls sounded new to me too. Is this the first time they're working with Disney?

I liked the trailer, so Mirabel goes on some kind of quest to save the house which is losing its magic and each room is some sort of portal? I wonder what Cam's room looks like? Lots of mirrors?

I hadn't thought about it yet. Now I'm curious to discover it. For some characters it's quite obvious what their realm is going to look like, but for others, not so much. For example, I had a hard time imagining Bruno's realm, and even after watching the trailer, I still don't really understand what the inspiration behind it is, other than the sand and the hourglass symbols.

there is one thing that bugged me though...that ceberus. I have no idea why they are fighting a ceberus in...Columbia, but isnt that the same design as the one from Hercules(with different colors)? Have they gotten so lazy that they're not just reusing CGI models from past CGI film but reusing designs from hand-drawn films?

It doesn't look exactly the same as the one in Hercules to me. Plus, I have a feeling the character won't be too important to the story. In my opinion, the shots with Mirabel and Luisa in action moments look like they could be part of a montage, perhaps they're from a song.

I think the reused clip art trend started with Moana but Im not sure.

I think it started earlier. Some Tangled posters, for example, also reused clip art, like the domestic poster in which Rapunzel and Flynn have the same facial expressions from the teaser poster. But maybe they do that more frequently nowadays.

I haven't read all the articles linked here...thanks!

There's no shame in that. Not everybody has the time to read everything, and some enjoy the behind the scenes stuff more than others and that doesn't make them any less fans of Disney. I don't read all the articles or even all the things I myself post either. Also, these kinds of articles are usually quite similar to one another, given that the people who write them have all attended the same event organized by Disney, so you don't need to read all of them to get most of the info.

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Speaking of toys I'm surprised Jakks is making the dolls. Did Hasbro lose their Disney animated film license? I couldn't find any info about it on google other that that Jaaks is making the Encanto toys but nothing about whether its a one time thing or if they will be making the toys based on other past Disney films and future releases (including the Princess and Frozen lines.)

I have no idea. I don't know much about Disney dolls, but Jakks Pacific making the dolls sounded new to me too. Is this the first time they're working with Disney?

Their website shows other Disney doll lines:
https://www.jakks.com/products/disney-princess/dolls/

https://jakks.com/products/disney-s-ray ... st-dragon/

https://jakks.com/disney-frozen-2/

https://jakks.com/products/disney-moana/

https://jakks.com/products/disney-ily-4ever/

https://jakks.com/disney-minnie-mouse/

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^Thanks for the info, blackcauldron85! I remember some of these products, especially the Raya ones. I guess I just didn't pay attention to the brand that made them before.

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More merch from Jakks. Here are more pictures. Apparently, all the images are from Target.com, though all the items except these 5 dolls are still unlisted on the website.


Source: https://www.instagram.com/mmdisney200/


Update 1: I've also found the unlisted products.

Mirabel Core Fashion Doll: https://www.target.com/p/-/A-82250996#lnk=sametab
Isabela Core Fashion Doll: https://www.target.com/p/-/A-82250993#lnk=sametab
Small Doll Character Gift Set: https://www.target.com/p/-/A-82250995#lnk=sametab
Madrigal House Playset: https://www.target.com/p/-/A-82250992#lnk=sametab
Antonio's Tree House Small Doll Playset: https://www.target.com/p/-/A-82250988#lnk=sametab

Update 2: A lot of T-shirts featuring artwork made by Colombian artists have been added to the website. Here are some of them:

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Snippet of the song "The Family Madrigal" from one of the dolls (last slide of the post): https://www.instagram.com/p/CUlIH1iJJRb/

The sound quality is not too good, but could these be the lyrics?

Welcome to the family Madrigal
The home of the family Madrigal
I know it sounds a bit fantastical and magical
But I’m part of the family Madrigal

Update: there's a 30-second clip featuring the song and some new footage from the movie on Disney's official website.

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There's some merch on Walmart's website now as well:

Sing & Play Mirabel Doll: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-Encan ... /968782727
Mirabel Dress: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-Encan ... /821265758
Isabela Dress: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-Encan ... /814664716
Capybara 7 Inch Small Plush: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-Encan ... /265109256
Jaguar 7 Inch Small Plush: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Disney-Encan ... /749415312

The toy descriptions reveal that the capybara is the character called Chispi, while the jaguar doesn't seem to have a name. It's revealed, though, it's a female jaguar. Chispi is also female. I guess the animal sidekick called Parce (the other registered name) will probably be the toucan.

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^ Cerberus from Hercules wasn't CGI though, that was just the Hydra. I personally liked the Hercules design better than the one here. I don't have a problem with that kind of creature appearing, although maybe a Minotaur or a giant bull would've been more interesting?

I know that's what I mean, they're now not just reusing CGI models from older CGI films but hand drawn designs from 2d films too. And I feel it does look a lot like it, not 100% copy but enough to feel that it was a direct "homage" as they like to say, especially when you google images of ceberus which I did and look at all the variations in design they could have used and then look at what they actually went with. The biggest differences are the colors and the muzzle has been made more realistic, with jowls and different sized teeth. The Hercules version is cartoonier and more exaggerated due to the overall film's Scarfe influence.

No major spoilers have leaked yet, but if you prefer not knowing too much about the story beforehand, you're doing the right thing by avoiding reading the written parts of the thread. I tried to spoiler tag most of the things that could be considered spoilers at first, but we all have different definitions of what a spoiler is, so it's not easy to know what could be spoilery for others and what's not.

It depends on how much I want to know about each film, in this case Im fine with whatever is shown in trailers or revealed in articles though sometimes I feel if I read everything that's out there it can make a film feel a bit too predictable for me when I actually sit down and watch it, especially these days when so many tropes are reused over and over in Hollywood studio made animated films..

I have no idea. I don't know much about Disney dolls, but Jakks Pacific making the dolls sounded new to me too. Is this the first time they're working with Disney?

no they've had a partnership for years mostly making toddler dolls and they also did the Disney Fairies line back when that was still a franchise. What's new is the Barbie sized fashion dolls and mini figures. Hasbro usually does those.

I hadn't thought about it yet. Now I'm curious to discover it. For some characters it's quite obvious what their realm is going to look like, but for others, not so much. For example, I had a hard time imagining Bruno's realm, and even after watching the trailer, I still don't really understand what the inspiration behind it is, other than the sand and the hourglass symbols.

the house playset has some of the rooms, but I don't think any of those are Cams or his sister's. Its possible they don't even show their rooms in the movie as its so may characters they have to juggle for space. It would make good extra material for future shorts at least.

It doesn't look exactly the same as the one in Hercules to me. Plus, I have a feeling the character won't be too important to the story. In my opinion, the shots with Mirabel and Luisa in action moments look like they could be part of a montage, perhaps they're from a song.

the Hercules ceberus was the first thing I thought of and apparently I'm not the only one:
https://wardisahi.tumblr.com/post/66379 ... e-cerberus

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, it will probably show up for only a few seconds but that's probably why they felt it was ok to partly reuse a design from an older 2d film.

I think it started earlier. Some Tangled posters, for example, also reused clip art, like the domestic poster in which Rapunzel and Flynn have the same facial expressions from the teaser poster. But maybe they do that more frequently nowadays.

actually I think those two Frozen posters I mentioned were originally foreign posters, though the artwork has since been used on packaging for other stuff here in the US. I guess they feel the US needs kid-friendly repetitious clip art to sell the film while the foreign posters can get by with classier mature artwork.

There's no shame in that. Not everybody has the time to read everything, and some enjoy the behind the scenes stuff more than others and that doesn't make them any less fans of Disney. I don't read all the articles or even all the things I myself post either. Also, these kinds of articles are usually quite similar to one another, given that the people who write them have all attended the same event organized by Disney, so you don't need to read all of them to get most of the info.

thanks yeah apart from not wanting to know everything I just dont have time to read everything these days. I wish I had more time to spend on this forum and reply to all the threads but real life gets in the way. You and Sotiris do a fantastic job keeping us up to date on everything though, this has become my #1 go to site for Disney news.