Disney Princesses Got a Makeover

[JeanGreyForever]

What Little Red Ridinghood short don't you like? Redux Ridinghood? I LOVE that short!!!

I've actually never seen that one. I meant this one.
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/The_Big_Ba ... 934_short)

[unprincess]

I might be wrong but I feel like this current idea that the classic princess trope being problematic is a mostly modern American thing, in Europe and Latin America you tell adults the classic movie princesses are damaging to girls and they'll just give you a weird look.

[JeanGreyForever]

I might be wrong but I feel like this current idea that the classic princess trope being problematic is a mostly modern American thing, in Europe and Latin America you tell adults the classic movie princesses are damaging to girls and they'll just give you a weird look.

Yeah, I think this is more of a first-world problem, and even then, more of an American first-world problem. Europe is the original home of these fairy tales so they consider these their stories. It's a part of their culture and legacy so they wouldn't find them problematic. I'm not as familiar with Latin America, but I think it shares similar sensibilities as eastern nations like China, India, and Japan. There's a reason that Japan's princess line only includes the most classic of princesses (Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, and Rapunzel). I think especially in these countries, there's still a lot of oppression for women, so for them, these fairy tales with beautiful princesses who get charming princes to save them from their miserable lives hold a lot of appeal, because they want an escape from their own lives, many of which are strikingly similar to how Snow White or Cinderella lived before their happily ever afters.

[unprincess]

yeah "first world problems" is a better distinction. I agree that it coincides wth the west's culture's changing attitudes about women and Latin America and Europe still have many countries were women are still seen as inferior sadly. But I think one should be able to separate & enjoy works of art from social issues. I like the classic fairy tale trope but I also like the more modern stories were the female lead is more proactive like Mulan and Merida. I dont think it means I like woman in inferior roles in real life b/c i can appreciate a story with a more understated classic & subdued character like Aurora.

Its like how some tumblr users have a fit of you enjoy the male villains of female protagonists. Just cuz i like Hans or Loki doesnt mean I support women being in abusive relationships with toxic deceptive men in the real world...

[Disney Duster]

I've never seen that Big Bad Wolf short. Maybe someday I will but yeah, I think Disney should someday do Little Red Riding Hood, Rumplestiltskin, Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk, and The Princess and the Pea. Those are like the last of the known fairy tales.

[Disney's Divinity]

Its like how some tumblr users have a fit of you enjoy the male villains of female protagonists. Just cuz i like Hans or Loki doesnt mean I support women being in abusive relationships with toxic deceptive men in the real world...

How strange? Just because I think Ursula is a fun character doesn't mean I support liars, narcissists, or power maniacs in real life.

I wonder if it's because some villains (like Gaston, Frollo, and Hans) in a way feel too "real," like people we've all met or see in the news all the time. Those characters might tap into real issues that are uncomfortable, whereas an evil fairy or vizier or Queen wouldn't (at least the connection wouldn't be immediate anyway). It's sort of like something I've seen with the Harry Potter fandom. Dolores Umbridge--who feels like someone we've all dealt with before--is much more despised by fans than Voldemort, a standard fantasy villain. I know in the past some have been surprised I like the character, and I have to explain it's because of how well-written and effective she is. It's like people have a visceral reaction to the character.

[JeanGreyForever]

yeah "first world problems" is a better distinction. I agree that it coincides wth the west's culture's changing attitudes about women and Latin America and Europe still have many countries were women are still seen as inferior sadly. But I think one should be able to separate & enjoy works of art from social issues. I like the classic fairy tale trope but I also like the more modern stories were the female lead is more proactive like Mulan and Merida. I dont think it means I like woman in inferior roles in real life b/c i can appreciate a story with a more understated classic & subdued character like Aurora.

Its like how some tumblr users have a fit of you enjoy the male villains of female protagonists. Just cuz i like Hans or Loki doesnt mean I support women being in abusive relationships with toxic deceptive men in the real world...

Same. I've always loved the classic fairy tales including their most common tropes and motifs that may sicken a few others, like an ever enduring true love, and a princess whose beauty outshines all else, but at the same time, I love the more modern stories too. I don't particularly agree that Mulan and Merida should be shoe-horned into the DP franchise, which I think also causes a bit of the divide here, because they really aren't as compatible so they become watered down to fit the more classic tropes, which ends up infuriating fans of both. I can love both Cinderella and Leia though and appreciate both for their similarities and differences. And frankly, the classic princesses get a bad rep anyway. They're not nearly as bad as people make them out to be, but most people haven't even seen the movies in years, if ever, and only rely on the omnipresent DP franchise to inform them.

I think the shipping part may sicken some of those tumblr people especially depending on who they are being shipped with. No one wants their favorite character in a toxic relationship, especially if that other character reminds you of a negative person or experience in your life. Although I certainly still ship Hans with Anna (not a fan of her with Kristoff), and I'm shipping Reylo too, so you can tell which camp I'm mostly in lol. But I can acknowledge how harmful these characters can be at the same time.

I've never seen that Big Bad Wolf short. Maybe someday I will but yeah, I think Disney should someday do Little Red Riding Hood, Rumplestiltskin, Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk, and The Princess and the Pea. Those are like the last of the known fairy tales.

It's on Netflix along with the rest of the Three Little Pigs shorts. After Tangled, Frozen, and The Princess and the Frog, I'll pass on Disney making any more fairy tale adaptations. Even if the first two were major hits and I actually like Frozen as a stand-alone story, but as an "adaptation" of a fairy tale, no thank-you.

Its like how some tumblr users have a fit of you enjoy the male villains of female protagonists. Just cuz i like Hans or Loki doesnt mean I support women being in abusive relationships with toxic deceptive men in the real world...

How strange? Just because I think Ursula is a fun character doesn't mean I support liars, narcissists, or power maniacs in real life.

I wonder if it's because some villains (like Gaston, Frollo, and Hans) in a way feel too "real," like people we've all met or see in the news all the time. Those characters might tap into real issues that are uncomfortable, whereas an evil fairy or vizier or Queen wouldn't (at least the connection wouldn't be immediate anyway). It's sort of like something I've seen with the Harry Potter fandom. Dolores Umbridge--who feels like someone we've all dealt with before--is much more despised by fans than Voldemort, a standard fantasy villain. I know in the past some have been surprised I like the character, and I have to explain it's because of how well-written and effective she is. It's like people have a visceral reaction to the character.

I think it's mainly because those male characters (Gaston, Frollo, Hans, Loki, Kylo Ren) are used heavily in shipping by tumblr fangirls. So half of tumblr is in love with these characters and the other half thinks it promotes toxic masculinity and these characters should not be praised, let alone shipped, especially with beloved female characters (Belle, Esmeralda, Anna, Elsa, Rey, etc.)

Although, I agree that the more "real" characters tend to derive more hate. Gaston is exaggerated enough that people can love him, especially for his song, but he's a real turn-off for people who've dealt with his ilk. And I'm definitely in the camp of people who may hate Voldemort, but he's unreal enough that he doesn't compare to my hate for Umbridge. I do like that she is a well-written character though, but she's perhaps so well-written, that I couldn't say I like her.

[thedisneyspirit]

In Latin America they are more conservative when it comes to women's role. While they are adapting and they're nowhere near as bad as those countries that say it's ok to rape or throw acid to women's faces, for a long time it wasn't looked as a bad thing if women left their careers and dedicated themselves fully to housework. And single women who did focus on their careers and didn't have children were seen as "selfish". Many gay people in many countries there still can't get married , though in later years Catholicism is going out of favor for many to be replaced by atheism or Evangelicals.

Honestly, anyone who thinks they're more feminist than the first world are deluded sheltered fools, and I'd love to see them try to even survive a day there.

But yes, the classic princesses at least are not despised as they are on American/European grounds.

[Disney's Divinity]

I think it's mainly because those male characters (Gaston, Frollo, Hans, Loki, Kylo Ren) are used heavily in shipping by tumblr fangirls. So half of tumblr is in love with these characters and the other half thinks it promotes toxic masculinity and these characters should not be praised, let alone shipped, especially with beloved female characters (Belle, Esmeralda, Anna, Elsa, Rey, etc.)

Since I just brought up HP, I'll say I can understand because of a similar ship within that fandom: Draco and Hermione. He literally used a racial slur to denigrate her and supported a regime to exterminate her kind. The fact that people would ship that is pretty disgusting even if they are fictional characters. So I can understand why others might be bothered seeing fanfiction that tries to "rehabilitate" Hans and pair him with Anna.

[unprincess]

I guess its a personal thing. I personally am not very fond of pedo-ships, like Snape/Hermione. But you know, I dont take the time out of my day to go onto pro-Snape/Hermione discussions and chastise that ships fans or write long posts about how damaging it is and they should be ashamed. I see fandom as just something to have fun with or escape to and not take seriously.

But yeah, dont like pedo-ships and stuff like pro-Nazism/KKK. Just cuz I find that reeeally creepy...Still the same above applies. I mean I wouldnt feel comfortable around someone who would like to write/read that kind of stuff, but they certainly have the right to enjoy it, if its their thing, b/c in the US at least, people are free to enjoy what they like.

[Disney's Divinity]

You're right, people can read/write whatever they want. I'm not a tumblr user, so I can't even speak to it I guess. But I can understand the point even if I wouldn't waste much time getting bothered over it. I remember when I watched OUAT, Captain Swann fans despised the Regina/Emma ship (for valid reasons) so much that you couldn't even talk about the show in some places without every little thing getting brought back to ships. It was so annoying.

[Disney Duster]

Maybe I'll check out the Pigs shorts then! I have faith Disney can do a fairy tale the right way again (the Walt way or the Renaissance way) but I wouldn't mind the Tangled or Frozen ways to be honest (with the titles right). It's ok that you don't.

[JeanGreyForever]

I guess its a personal thing. I personally am not very fond of pedo-ships, like Snape/Hermione. But you know, I dont take the time out of my day to go onto pro-Snape/Hermione discussions and chastise that ships fans or write long posts about how damaging it is and they should be ashamed. I see fandom as just something to have fun with or escape to and not take seriously.

But yeah, dont like pedo-ships and stuff like pro-Nazism/KKK. Just cuz I find that reeeally creepy...Still the same above applies. I mean I wouldnt feel comfortable around someone who would like to write/read that kind of stuff, but they certainly have the right to enjoy it, if its their thing, b/c in the US at least, people are free to enjoy what they like.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever supported a couple like that. Usually, I go for the ones who are clearly meant to be together, which I guess I can blame on Disney. They've certainly shaped my views on romance for better or for worse. And I agree, that I wouldn't feel comfortable being friends with someone who could support something that morally wrong such as pedophilia or racism.

I think it's mainly because those male characters (Gaston, Frollo, Hans, Loki, Kylo Ren) are used heavily in shipping by tumblr fangirls. So half of tumblr is in love with these characters and the other half thinks it promotes toxic masculinity and these characters should not be praised, let alone shipped, especially with beloved female characters (Belle, Esmeralda, Anna, Elsa, Rey, etc.)

Since I just brought up HP, I'll say I can understand because of a similar ship within that fandom: Draco and Hermione. He literally used a racial slur to denigrate her and supported a regime to exterminate her kind. The fact that people would ship that is pretty disgusting even if they are fictional characters. So I can understand why others might be bothered seeing fanfiction that tries to "rehabilitate" Hans and pair him with Anna.

That is a very uncomfortable ship, but also a very popular one. Honestly, Draco's popularity stems from his looks in the movies as J.K. Rowling acknowledged, which unfortunately means that Draco's deeds get glossed over. I know I have a tendency to do the same if I find someone attractive. My personal ship for Harry Potter has always been Harry and Hermione though, and it's nice to know that the screenwriter for the HP films agreed, and even Rowling regretted pairing Hermione and Ron together.

Maybe I'll check out the Pigs shorts then! I have faith Disney can do a fairy tale the right way again (the Walt way or the Renaissance way) but I wouldn't mind the Tangled or Frozen ways to be honest (with the titles right). It's ok that you don't.

Have you ever seen the original Three Little Pigs short? That's probably the most famous one and even gets included in Disney Merchandise a lot, as well as in the parks. They've got an amazing presence still which I'm glad for.

You know my feelings on Tangled by now lol, but I'd be open to a Glen Keane treatment for a fairy tale. I doubt Disney would go that route though seeing how lucrative Tangled was. Frozen, I wouldn't mind, but I'd rather they just create an original story then that butcher a beloved fairy tale. Brave and Frozen prove that original ideas can still work, even if the former's execution wasn't as well done.

[Disney Duster]

Yeah the original Pigs is still so well known. Gotcha on how you feel about Disney doing more fairy tales. I wish we could get Glen Keane's Rapunzel somehow.

[JeanGreyForever]

Yeah the original Pigs is still so well known. Gotcha on how you feel about Disney doing more fairy tales. I wish we could get Glen Keane's Rapunzel somehow.

Same. I love when I find tidbits of information from that film, usually from Tumblr, surprisingly enough. I guess the Tangled animated show ended up doing some good for even me lol. I wish Keane wasn't contractually obligated to not talk about his version of the film.

[Disney Duster]

I wish Keane wasn't contractually obligated to not talk about his version of the film.

Or ever be allowed to use anything from that version in his own-made film if he so chose to make one now that he's on his own now.

[JeanGreyForever]

I wish Keane wasn't contractually obligated to not talk about his version of the film.

Or ever be allowed to use anything from that version in his own-made film if he so chose to make one now that he's on his own now.

Yeah that too. Although he's been sticking with shorts so I'm not sure he'd be interested in making a full-fledged movie, especially since his health was in a precarious situation back then. So maybe directing a film took a huge toll on him.

[blackcauldron85]

https://www.laughingplace.com/w/article ... -marvel/2/

For Hasbro’s Disney Princess line of dolls, each princess has received new face sculpts to better reflect their animated likeness. Their standard dresses have also received a slight makeover, now featuring some pastel accents.

[Sotiris]

Disney has released a new song for the Disney Princess brand called Live Your Story. You can find the lyrics at Oh My Disney. There's a making-of and a behind-the-scenes featurette as well. The song is written & performed by Tina Parol and produced by Jason Mater. This marks the 4th original anthem for the franchise.

The Mexican version of the song is titled Vive Tu Historia and is sung by Sara Paula Gómez Arias, the Brazilian version is titled Fazer História and is sung by Any Gabrielly, and the French-Canadian version is titled Vis Ton Histoire and is sung by Andie Duquette. The Japanese version retains the original title Live Your Story and is sung by Yabiku Tomona. Auli'i Cravalho recorded a rendition of Live Your Story as well.

How would you rank the original songs for the DP brand? Here's my ranking:

1. If You Can Dream
2. The Glow
3. Where Dreams Begin
4. Live Your Story

[JeanGreyForever]

I really didn't like the song as it's incredibly generic. Nothing can beat If You Can Dream imo although my second fav is the Ella Enchanted song, It's Not Just Make Believe, but I suppose that doesn't count as an original DP song.

My ranking is the same as Sotiris otherwise.