Nine NEW pictures from "Tarzan II"

[orestes.]

Today I'm going to the local video store and checking if they have the original Tarzan there. It's the only classic I still need to see. It may put me in a better mood with this sequel.

Even if it is bad could it be as bad as 'Tarzan and the Lost City', which most people seem to hate. I haven't seen it but with most hating it I've been afraid to see it. Plus try finding that one now!

I think the backgrounds for this Tarzan movie look nice. They aren't as good as the originals but everyone may be a little bit spoiled and I guess we should be complaing a bit but this is of course direct to video...

[Hennie]

The site and sneak peak.

http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/anima ... index.html

[Jens]

Oh yeah, I was going to post it here after I posted the news on the DDB but I forgot... Glad you did hennie!

I think the trailer is really great. Zugor seems like a grumpy but still loveable character. It looks like they spent a while on his character development I'm looking forward to this movie even more now Too bad we didn't hear the new Phil Collins songs or saw Kala and Kerchak though!

[KinOO]

Really great? hem...

the animation looks okay, through not as close to the orignal in a way, the plot seems flat (Tarzan doesn't know if he is a ape or a man? Gee the original movie covered it very well with a memorable scene with Kalaa and the hand on the heart and anything, and do we need a one hour movie to find out that Tarzan is a .. Tarzan?) All i see is a kiddie oriented movie with "funny" characters, a great opportunity for Eisner to earn a few bucks before leaving and let the Disney image crached down...

[Jens]

Ok uhm, I react to Direct to Video titles in a totally different way than to Feature Animation titles... This Direct to Video title seems really great for it's genre. Ok? I'm getting pretty sick of your negative attitude... And btw, do you really think Michael Eisner is behind all of this?

[ichabod]

Well I guess you can put this on the list with Lilo and Stitch 2 and Bambi 2 as DTV sequels that look quite promising! The level the Toon Studios are working at now is much higher than that of a few years ago. We've seen a rapid improvement and hopefully this will continue. Even though it does not look like an epic, it looks pretty decent for a low budget film, some of the animation is on a par with the original, there are the odd iffy moments granted but hey! what do you expect?

Anyhoo you can count me in for getting this one!

[KinOO]

and i'm getting sick of all these sheep fanatics that say AMEN to all taht come out of DIsney Toon Studios.

The fact that the animation looks better than Cinderella 2 doesn't get away the fact that this movie was UNECESSARY just like all the sequels going under work at this time! you won't make me believe it is the art's love that motived Eisner and his policy at Disney to make those "movies"

you can count on me to NOT getting this one.


PS: Jens, if you want everybody to say AMEN or "wow looks good, ToonStudios are really getting better", you can stay on DataBase and edit negative throughts on your board. A board is to CONFRONT ideas and opinions, get it!

[ichabod]

and i'm getting sick of all these sheep fanatics that say AMEN to all taht come out of DIsney Toon Studios.

I am not a sheep!

I have seen the stills and seen the trailer and I like what I see, I abhor many of the Disney sequels but since the only way we are going to get to see 2D is from Toon Studios, it's a case of "like it or lump it". I am not blindly following just because Jens says it is good, I do have my own brain you know! Toon Studios have made incredible progress and if we are going to see new 2D projects at Disney with original stories this is where they will most likely come from.

If you do not like it that's fine, however I personally as a 2D supporter feel that the progression by Toon Studios is important!

[KinOO]

if you like 2D so much, please go totheater and see Ghibli's movies, european productions too like Belleville Rendez-vous and STEAMBOY which will be released soon in USA i think, go buy Don Bluth movies on dvd, THAT are true 2D animation feature with Art feeling in it! There are tons of traditional animated movies you could see, Disney Toon Studios does everything BUT do glory to traditionnal animation. by the way, i didn't target you when i said "sheep"

[ichabod]

if you like 2D so much, please go totheater and see Ghibli's movies, european productions too like Belleville Rendez-vous and STEAMBOY which will be released soon in USA i think, go buy Don Bluth movies on dvd, THAT are true 2D animation feature with Art feeling in it! There are tons of traditional animated movies you could see, Disney Toon Studios does everything BUT do glory to traditionnal animation.

I have already seen and most most of Ghibli/Don Bluth/Dreamworks and whatever other 2D movies. I am not saying that Toon Studios are the epitome of 2D perfection but I am sure they will be, and when ME discovers that the population are getting over their cases of "CGI mania" he or whoever we get next as CEO will target Toon Studios to produce a mainstrem theatrical film. I find it interesting to see the progression they have made that is all, and I have no doubt that we will see big things from them. It started last year with The Three Musketeers and I have no doubt that it will happen again.

[Disney-Fan]

and i'm getting sick of all these sheep fanatics that say AMEN to all taht come out of DIsney Toon Studios.

The fact that the animation looks better than Cinderella 2 doesn't get away the fact that this movie was UNECESSARY just like all the sequels going under work at this time! you won't make me believe it is the art's love that motived Eisner and his policy at Disney to make those "movies"

you can count on me to NOT getting this one.


PS: Jens, if you want everybody to say AMEN or "wow looks good, ToonStudios are really getting better", you can stay on DataBase and edit negative throughts on your board. A board is to CONFRONT ideas and opinions, get it!

Amen to that.
So what? Some of us won't settle for medicore, even if we know that's what it is. I see no reason why I should lower my standards because I know it will be less than perfect. Over the years, Disney has proven to be an excellent story teller company and a risk taker. These movies take away any title they ever achieved (original, innovative etc...)

I find it scary some of you may settle for this level, only because it's the only form of proper 2D animation left. Nice animation and cute characters ain't enough for me. Sorry for being negative, but I just won't support this(thus no DVD sequel in my collection)!

Someday, feature animation will rise again, I know it. Then I won't have to tolerate these lame attempts for sequels! These features have earned their 'cheapquel' title.

[Starion]

Nice screenshots. I like the shadows.

I thought Disney has already released Tarzan II. I think I'm mixing Tarzan II with George of the Jungle 2.

[2099net]

So what? Some of us won't settle for medicore, even if we know that's what it is. I see no reason why I should lower my standards because I know it will be less than perfect. Over the years, Disney has proven to be an excellent story teller company and a risk taker. These movies take away any title they ever achieved (original, innovative etc...)

Yes. They took risks with Atlantis, Treasure Planet and Home on the Range. And nobody saw them.

Miramax takes risks and makes and/or distributes top quality films, but in general most are tragically overlooked by the public. Risk and quality do not equal business.

I'm not 100% the sequels, but I'm not against them either. Some are rubbish, some are nothing more than distractions. But I've enjoyed a couple or so greately. And I think its wrong to say sequels are unnecessary. No story is so great that it cannot support a sequel. In principle sequels are a perfectly legitimate and historical form of storytelling, even if yes, the original author is dead or didn't want to write them himself.

Disney needs to slow down with the sequels. Look at it's catalog, and decide more which films can (seemingly) support sequels better and more logically. And they need to slow down and come up better storylines (in general). But do they need to stop? I would say not, and most of the public seems to agree being as DTV sales continue to rise (so I refute the argument that the public is getting jades or tired of the sequels).

As with most things in life, it appears the best way would be the "third way" - continue with sequels, but put more time and artistic effort in the whole process. From selection, to storytelling, to animation and voicing.

By now though we all seem to be stuck in another case of circular logic. Neither side will convince the other, and circular logic only makes the argument dizzy and confused.

[Simba Kimball]

Yeah the sequels are unneccessary, but you know what, they exist and they are what they are. They were concieved as cash-ins (like much of 90s animation and the current CG boom) and why not. I know it's a lot more satisfying to see creator-driven projects, but sometimes you have to take what you can get, or go hungry. Unless you want to start a boycott, bitching about them(and those who take a less cynical view) isn't going to change anything. A lot of big name animators are now working on these. Andreas Deja, Ron Husband, Toby Bluth, and others I'm sure. An old college friend of mine is working there. I'm not happy that such big talents are beeing wasted on such disposable product, but there are 2 ways you can view this. It's either the final nails in the coffin of traditional animation, or it's a small way to keep the fire burning, to keep Disney traditional animation from dying until the time is right for some sort of comeback. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I'd rather not be a total pessimist.

I think the trailer looks a little more promising than I was expecting. The crotchetty old ape character is pretty good. There's still too much of that horrible rim lighting effect that gets overused by 'Disneytoons', but it's not as out of place here as it was in say, Jungle Book 2. Here's hoping they've done a good job.

[MickeyMousePal]

The short Tarzan 2 preview look okay it wasn't that bad. Anyways I wish Disney could re-release Tarzan with a special edition. But I thought some Disney sequels are worth to watch. I wish I could have heard the new Phil Collins songs.

[DEREKG]

I hate sequels for the most part, but T2 looks pretty cute...

[Sunset Girl]

It's either the final nails in the coffin of traditional animation, or it's a small way to keep the fire burning, to keep Disney traditional animation from dying until the time is right for some sort of comeback. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I'd rather not be a total pessimist.

Ah, thank you. Like it or not, how else can we support 2-D animation from Disney?

[orestes.]

It's either the final nails in the coffin of traditional animation, or it's a small way to keep the fire burning, to keep Disney traditional animation from dying until the time is right for some sort of comeback. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I'd rather not be a total pessimist.

Ah, thank you. Like it or not, how else can we support 2-D animation from Disney?

Demand better movies! Ah they follow the sales and the sequels tend to do well I guess. Kids love 'em.

As I've said before I wish they would tackle other things like Gargoyles, DuckTales, the classic characters, more original ideas instead of sequels to the classics that really don't need sequels.

Come on Disney, you bought Crossgen.... open a Tocuhstone animation division and lets see some teen/adult orientated movies. (although that may be too risky for them)

[KinOO]

Ah, thank you. Like it or not, how else can we support 2-D animation from Disney?

i repeat myself but anyway, by support 2D animation in all companies, WHY bother supporting 2D in a company which think that traditionnal animation belongs to unimaginatives sequels... Open your mind to another studios ... That's where ART and Creativity lies today...

[Sunset Girl]

I'm sorry, but despite everything, I still feel I owe my loyalties to the artists at Disney. It's unfortunate that these artists are given a much tighter budget and more restrictions than the old 2-D studio, but for what they've accomplished despite all that, I think they should be commended. How would you feel working there, knowing that people were just waiting to rip your work apart because of the decisions made by the execs above your head? Those artists aren't even the ones that decide to make the sequels in the first place! I'm sure if you ask them, they're dying to do something more original. I doubt the execs will be ready to let them do that as long as there's a sequel to made (familiarity with the audience = $$$ / new concept = risky business).

For a short time I was in correspondence with former animator from the now defunct Canadian Disney studio. He told me about the frustrations that took place there. He and several others argued that the story wasn't ready, but the execs gave the greenlight anyway since they had a deadline to meet. They did the best with what they had and ended up with Morgana's soap-operatic entrance in Little Mermaid II. Oh well.