I think that they're likely to make more, perhaps 200,000 this time. Not only has the DVD user base grown, but the Mickey and Goofy sets from last year "sold out" [*] pretty quickly. Disney want to make a profit on the titles after all - so I think back to 150,000 or even 175,000 would be a realistic number.
[*] When I say "Sold Out" I mean from Disney's warehouse, not the shops. Potential money for Disney was lost when requests for more came through and none were available. I understand some are still floating about in retail if you look hard enough.
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Ultimately I don't think Disney care. Why should they? They want each release to be as profitable as possible (or at least I hope they do).
The Limited Edition thing is just a marketing trick. Again, limited numbers/time on sale encourages people to buy. Including those who are sat on the fence wondering if they want it or not. As seen with last years Mickey and Goofy set, they underestimated demand so it sort of backfired on them last year. (The fact that there was only 3 releases last year may have made them quicker sellers too, as people would be more inclined to buy the whole set).
I would imagine the fact that Disney Co. can see the sets selling for inflated prices on EBAY will make them want to grab more of the pie for themseleves this year, rather than let other people cash-in on the demand.
And 200,000 - even 250,000 - is sill 'Limited' compared to other Disney DVDs. I think 175,000 is a likely number. Anyone want to bet?
The Limited Edition thing is just a marketing trick. Again, limited numbers/time on sale encourages people to buy. Including those who are sat on the fence wondering if they want it or not. As seen with last years Mickey and Goofy set, they underestimated demand so it sort of backfired on them last year. (The fact that there was only 3 releases last year may have made them quicker sellers too, as people would be more inclined to buy the whole set).
I would imagine the fact that Disney Co. can see the sets selling for inflated prices on EBAY will make them want to grab more of the pie for themseleves this year, rather than let other people cash-in on the demand.
And 200,000 - even 250,000 - is sill 'Limited' compared to other Disney DVDs. I think 175,000 is a likely number. Anyone want to bet?
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Thats sucks because the Goofy Tin isPrince Phillip wrote:
Also someone threw away, the paper ring that goes around my MMIBW tin
I've seen them recently at a Best buy and also at The Disney Store.
As for the paper ring...the one that came with my Davy Crockett Tin actually says Disneyland USA
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I would bet there will be no more than 150-175,000.2099net wrote: And 200,000 - even 250,000 - is sill 'Limited' compared to other Disney DVDs. I think 175,000 is a likely number. Anyone want to bet?
Simple reason being the fact that these have been so well received as is. Limited Editions, like them or not, have a huge place in the market...especially with the diehards. Thus folks are willing to pay a premium just for the sake of knowing they have one of 150,000 or whatever.
The other reason I believe we'll see these lower numbers is shear spacing. These cases are bigger and bulkier than standard DVD clamshells and bigger still than the cardboard snapcases. You can't ship as many as cheaply and you cannot fit as many in the limited shelf space you have alloted. Disney gets their share well before these hit the streets (pre-orders from vendors, distributors, etc) and the fact that someone is selling MMILC on eBay for $70 is irrelevant. If Disney themselves held some back, then re-released them for $70 we'd all be in an uproar, and rightly so.
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No but perhaps they're thinking: "Gee, we underestimated the demand for that. We could easily have sold another 50,000 copies and still underproduce the set. Perhaps this time we should make 50,000 (or whatever) more?"and the fact that someone is selling MMILC on eBay for $70 is irrelevant. If Disney themselves held some back, then re-released them for $70 we'd all be in an uproar, and rightly so.
Remember, when anybody sells you a limited edition they mean 1 of two things:
1) We don't think there's much of a market for this so we'll call it a limited edition. Put the price up to cover costs and hopfully sell all we make to people who otherwise may not have bought it because they think they are getting something special (and in some cases they are getting something special, in some cases it's just a rip-off)
2) We are releasing something absolutely massive. Everybody will want one. In order to make people part with even more money we will make a Limited Edition set too, so people can buy it and feel superior to their friends. In these examples, nine times out of ten the Limited Edition just becomes a status symbol.
Either way, the Limited Edition numbers are carefully decided to be more or less what they think that they can sell (minus a small percentage to increase demand). If Disney think that they can sell 250,000 sets, there's no way they'll just release 125,000 or 150,000 just to make the sets "rare" - it's not in their interest or their customers interest. Disney won't be happy seeing sets selling for inflated prices on EBAY as it means they dramatically underestimated their production numbers.
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Yeah... plus they probably thought thaty the second wave might not sell as greatly, because the average costumer wants color, making BW Mickey not as appealing to some, want Donald or Mickey, making Goofy not as appealing to some... and Well it seems to me Behind the Scenes at Disney Studios still clutters shelves around here so I think that speaks for itself...
However this wave, they are giving the customer just what they want... 1) Colorized Mickey... 2) Donald Duck... 3) More Disneyland Shows, for the older and more apreciative generation (or really avid collector
) I think we can all say the war time cartoons are going to fly off the shelves, or atleast at the same rate Silly Symphonies did... That's just my analysis anyway...
Indiana, I will continue too look around here for Goofy, but if I can't find it, would you be willing to pick it up for me, and I will reemburst you, plus shipping
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However this wave, they are giving the customer just what they want... 1) Colorized Mickey... 2) Donald Duck... 3) More Disneyland Shows, for the older and more apreciative generation (or really avid collector
) I think we can all say the war time cartoons are going to fly off the shelves, or atleast at the same rate Silly Symphonies did... That's just my analysis anyway...Indiana, I will continue too look around here for Goofy, but if I can't find it, would you be willing to pick it up for me, and I will reemburst you, plus shipping
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Why would they re-release the older sets? That would make the first release of them even more valuable to collectors...
This is ALL about money... But I still plan to buy them anyway.
Mickey's 2nd color set is EMPTY... 21 shorts? PLEASE. They could have put some B&W shorts on there as extras or something.
Donald has 36 shorts? Goofy had 10 more. If they would release the Donald shorts more, it would take less sets...
This is ALL about money... But I still plan to buy them anyway.
Mickey's 2nd color set is EMPTY... 21 shorts? PLEASE. They could have put some B&W shorts on there as extras or something.
Donald has 36 shorts? Goofy had 10 more. If they would release the Donald shorts more, it would take less sets...
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Two of the colour Mickey shorts are triple length. And we don't know what supplements are included.Dacp wrote:Why would they re-release the older sets? That would make the first release of them even more valuable to collectors...
This is ALL about money... But I still plan to buy them anyway.
Mickey's 2nd color set is EMPTY... 21 shorts? PLEASE. They could have put some B&W shorts on there as extras or something.
Donald has 36 shorts? Goofy had 10 more. If they would release the Donald shorts more, it would take less sets...
Here's a good post from the Home Theater Forum listing a film critics expectations for the whole set:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... ost1651274
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This is the list of the wartime cartoons from HT Forum (thanks 2099net)
-Food Will Win the War (made for the Department of Agriculture)
-Out Of The Frying Pan Into The Firing Line
-Water, Friend or Enemy (about water pollution)
-Defense Against Invasion (about germs)
This is a promising set indeed...
Probably, they will also include:Notes: A side of Disney some people have never seen, especially the stark ending of Education for Death. Should be insanely popular.
Possible Shorts:
1. Donald Gets Drafted
2. The Army Mascot (Pluto)
3. The Vanishing Private (Donald)
4. Sky Trooper (Donald)
5. Der Fuehrer's Face (Donald)
6. Education for Death (Propaganda)
7. Private Pluto
8. Fall Out, Fall In (Donald)
9. Victory Vehicles (Goofy)
10. The Old Army Game (Donald)
11. Home Defense (Donald)
12. Commando Duck
13. First Aiders (Pluto)
Possible Other Shorts:
Chicken Little
The New Spirit
Spirit of 43
The Winged Scourge (with the Seven Dwarfs showing you how to avoid malaria and protect yourself from mosquitos)
-Food Will Win the War (made for the Department of Agriculture)
-Out Of The Frying Pan Into The Firing Line
-Water, Friend or Enemy (about water pollution)
-Defense Against Invasion (about germs)
This is a promising set indeed...
That's quite interesting.2099net wrote:Two of the colour Mickey shorts are triple length. And we don't know what supplements are included.Dacp wrote:Why would they re-release the older sets? That would make the first release of them even more valuable to collectors...
This is ALL about money... But I still plan to buy them anyway.
Mickey's 2nd color set is EMPTY... 21 shorts? PLEASE. They could have put some B&W shorts on there as extras or something.
Donald has 36 shorts? Goofy had 10 more. If they would release the Donald shorts more, it would take less sets...
Here's a good post from the Home Theater Forum listing a film critics expectations for the whole set:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum ... ost1651274
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That wouldnt make much sense as the shorts on these sets are being released in chronological order through different volumes and as announced previously, this particular Treasury will only contain cartoons and features from the pre-1941 era, while Donald Duck In Mathmagic Land was a 1959 release. It's possible that this will turn up as a bonus feature on a later Donald Treasure, however since this is not a standard Donald Duck cartoon and is considered an "Educational" short, we will likely see it released in a different context - perhaps on a later Educational Treasure set.Maerj wrote:I have a theory on the Donald Duck set... maybe the reason there are fewer shorts on there than the other discs is that they are including Donald in Mathmagicland which was 26 minutes long? Maybe?
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