Glen Keane Left Disney

Marky_198 · Post by **Marky_198** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:03 am

Sotiris wrote:In the "Art of Tangled", it says that the Fragonard painting-like style Glen wanted was deemed too distracting by the management and so they axed it.

Or was it too distracting for the management in terms of taking the focus away from the quick money?

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:14 am

All right, I am going to drop this. I apologize if I have offended anyone with some of my sweeping judgements.

Good luck to Glen Keane.

Dream Huntress · Post by **Dream Huntress** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:30 am

Marky_198 wrote:
Sotiris wrote:In the "Art of Tangled", it says that the Fragonard painting-like style Glen wanted was deemed too distracting by the management and so they axed it.
Or was it too distracting for the management in terms of taking the focus away from the quick money?

Yeah, God forbid they make good movies that actually make money, so they can keep making movies.

Sarcasm aside, sometimes they have to keep things within the budget, and it's not like they didn't make any visual achievements with the movie, they made the program to handle Rapunzel's hair, and now other animation houses are using it too.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:49 pm

The way I choose to look at this whole thing is, I feel that Glen's departure will spark a fire in many of the younger artists and animators at the studio today, encouraging them to really step up their game and try to live up to the legacy he has left.

I know people love saying how Disney has nothing left anymore except squeezing money out of existing properties, but people also said that Disney would never again make a creatively innovative film in the 70's and 80's. Sure, times have certainly changed since then and Disney as a company has evolved into the behemoth it is today, but the fact remains that there are just as many (actually, MORE) artists out there today that are passionate about their craft, and want to be a part of something special, just as Glen, Andreas, and everyone else did back in the day.

I can't wait to see what this generation of artists brings us.

SpringHeelJack · Post by **SpringHeelJack** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:10 pm

The_Iceflash wrote:
Kyle wrote:Tangled was not the the Rapunzel he had envisioned. Based on what Ived read, Disney thought he was taking far too long to lock down the look of the movie for one. He was doing some pretty revolutionary 3d stuff that the public has not seen for the most part. The word Painterly got thrown around a lot but the end result didn't really reflect that much. It was going to look different from your typical 3d animated film, more of a mixed media look (I'm talking dry brush, pencil, charcoal you name it really), further bridging the gap between hand drawn and 3d animation. One animation test shown featured outlines around the characters. Not just your typical cel shading either. The lines had a sketchy quality to them. He had several looks he was considering but in the end Disney decided for him more or less and went with the cheaper faster route.
I'd hate to open this can of worms but had Walt been here, I believe he would have wanted to try this out. He was one who took risks with his projects.

Not to mention that as long as we're shooting the moon if Walt HAD been there, it'd be some sort of medical miracle because he'd be over a century old.

Seriously, all the speculation in the thread is going to end up where it always does.

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:53 pm

Thanks for everything Glen.

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:00 pm

I guess we'll never know when Disney is going to bring hand drawn again. But right now Disney is being chickenshit.

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:14 pm

TsWade2 wrote:I guess we'll never know when Disney is going to bring hand drawn again. But right now Disney is being chickenshit.

Disney have brought back hand-drawn in 2009 (The Princess and the Frog) and 2011 (Winnie the Pooh). I don't think that's too long ago. Disney are the only western animation studio which has made hand-drawn animated films in recent history. I don't get why its Disney who always ets the flak for not doing hand-drawn.

Lazario · Post by **Lazario** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:32 pm

He's a nice guy but, really... when was the last time a new Disney animated feature was something to get excited over? Tangled was decent but Princess and the Frog was lousy and if it weren't for these films, people would still be focused on the dark days of Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Home on the Range, and Chicken Little.

Why bother keeping him around if they weren't really going to do anything worthwhile with him? Just to make some fans feel like the 90's magic (already pretty dim, in all honesty, the 90's were a bigger time for Disney MARKETING, toys, the parks, and technology than actual animation) is still there somewhere? Let's move on and let him move on.

Elladorine · Post by **Elladorine** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:54 pm

Kyle wrote:My guess is he was working on pitches/pencil tests that the higher ups never greenlit. Now he should be able to try and get those same ideas developed at another studio.

Doubtful; most likely Disney owns whatever ideas he was working on while under their roof.

Regardless, I'm not really sad that he's leaving Disney, although I do hope we'll see material from him in the future. I hope he enjoys whatever direction he chooses to go, whether it's another studio, his own studio, or retirement. He's already left behind quite the legacy that any artist would be proud to have.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:53 pm

Lazario wrote:Tangled was decent but Princess and the Frog was lousy...

Okay, I'm sorry, but....

Honestly, I thought Tangled was great, but my heart's a little more deadset on Princess and the Frog. At least Disney PROVED that they weren't calling it quits completely with the latter. Besides, Disney's not the only animation company doing hand-drawn animation. Dreamworks has done it with two of their Kung Fu Panda films, even though the hand-drawn segments were less than five minutes long.

Plus, after my little walk today, I figured that Glen Keane leaving Disney could be very bittersweet. I mean, it's not the first time an animator/Disney employee left to pursue their own ideals. For instance, after work was wrapped up on Sleeping Beauty, Eyvind Earle (responsible for the background art) went on to do paintings or something.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:57 pm

enigmawing wrote:
Kyle wrote:My guess is he was working on pitches/pencil tests that the higher ups never greenlit. Now he should be able to try and get those same ideas developed at another studio.
Doubtful; most likely Disney owns whatever ideas he was working on while under their roof.

Ahh, true. Sometimes I forget about the legalities of things at times. Such a lame rule, if a studio passes on an idea they shouldn't be allowed to keep the rights to it imo. But it is what is I guess.

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:02 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:
Lazario wrote:Tangled was decent but Princess and the Frog was lousy...
Okay, I'm sorry, but....

Honestly, I thought Tangled was great, but my heart's a little more deadset on Princess and the Frog. At least Disney PROVED that they weren't calling it quits completely with the latter. Besides, Disney's not the only animation company doing hand-drawn animation. Dreamworks has done it with two of their Kung Fu Panda films, even though the hand-drawn segments were less than five minutes long.

Plus, after my little walk today, I figured that Glen Keane leaving Disney could be very bittersweet. I mean, it's not the first time an animator/Disney employee left to pursue their own ideals. For instance, after work was wrapped up on Sleeping Beauty, Eyvind Earle (responsible for the background art) went on to do paintings or something.

Um..what's did the picture say?

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:28 pm

Wade.... the picture says.... OBJECTION!

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:43 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:Wade.... the picture says.... OBJECTION!

Okay. Just asking.

Prince Edward · Post by **Prince Edward** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:07 pm

Simply awful. Disney does not care about protecting their legacy or about traditional animation, the art form that made Disney what it is today.

Tangled was cute, but not the masterpiece that Rapunzel could have been if they had kept it in 2D and a darker and more serious look, as seen in their art of Tangled book. Keane should have had the chance to make this movie as he envisioned it. The same thing is now happening to The Snow Queen, pardon, "Frozen". It's going to be a 3D film and guess ten times if it will be a serious and dark fairytale or a fluffy and generic one? Disney have deserted traditional animation. When Disney will not make 2D, then who will?

Disney does not know how to take care of and appriciate their talented artists. They seem to have lost their will to experience and to push for creative changes in the field of animation. It has been many years since Disney last held the initiative in the world of animation, the 90s seems far gone...

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:23 pm

Kept it 2d? correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it was Ever 2d. The hand drawn concept art was just a goal to work towards.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:26 pm

Just because Disney hasn't announced any upcoming hand-drawn projects yet does NOT mean they've called it quits!

Prince Edward · Post by **Prince Edward** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:26 pm

Kyle wrote:Kept it 2d? correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it was Ever 2d. The hand drawn concept art was just a goal to work towards.

You are completely right, my point was that Disney should have made Rapunzel as a 2D film instead of Tangled 3D. The hand drawn concept looks so much better than what they managed to do with the computers.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:48 pm

Alrighty.

But I say if Disney just stuck with what they know forever, CGI will never evolve. Its still a relativity young medium and needs people like Glen to challenge the status quo. Programmers don't really know how an animator works so doing movies like tangled is the best way to develop those tools.

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