Which Disney film didn’t live up to your expectations?

[Disney's Divinity]

I think all three villains from their past few films have been letdowns. Facilier was probably the best (Keith David, shadow creatures, etc.), but he didn't really leave an impact either. Yzma was the last one, imo, that was really well-done.

[Goliath]

LMAO, dude EVERYONE here seems to take things you say as an insult.

They seem to see you as the: BIG BAD BULLY!

Poor little misunderstood me!

No, I'm sure it's not as bad as you say it is.

[Jay]

I think all three villains from their past few films have been letdowns. Facilier was probably the best (Keith David, shadow creatures, etc.), but he didn't really leave an impact either. Yzma was the last one, imo, that was really well-done.

I agree Yzma was the last really great villain. Narissa was just blah but Gothel and Facilier were better and going in the right direction. Facilier didn't have alot of screentime really like I said earlier I feel the film should have been like 15 minutes or so longer. I think Facilier will become the most popular of the bunch as he is similar to Jafar and fits the evil wizard role. Gothel may have some potential as Tangeled was really successful but I think she'll go the Frollo/Lady Tremiane route. People know who she is but she is not put on a ton of merchandise but pops up on a poster or something every so often. But we'll see.


What is it that you don't like about Gothel??

[ajmrowland]

I felt Gothel was a really strong villain, but just too similar to a better one.

But Yzma was truly great......until they demoted her to the role of petty school principal.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Yeah, the 2000's were rather weak for villains after you set aside Yzma. Who else do we really have to compare her to?

Yodeling Cowboy? Scary only in how stupid the idea is.
Rourke? Meh.
Gantu? Pfft.
John Silver? Maybe. He's a step up from the cowoy imo.

That just leaves Facilier who is a huge step up in villain quality. Great voice, and a great song as well. My biggest complaint is just how big of a mouthful "My friends on the other side" got to be after the song. Ultimately that's just a minor complaint though.

Then we have Gothel. I thought her death was rather dark for a DAC and my biggest complaint is the fact that Pascal caused it.

[DisneyAnimation88]

Yodeling Cowboy? Scary only in how stupid the idea is.

He was originally going to be an undead cowboy who used his powers to run cattle off cliffs in revenge for him being killed by a cattle stampede. That was before the film was edited from it's supernatural premise and became Home on the Range. While his original character was quite dark for a Disney film, I think he would definitely have been a more memorable one than he eventually became.

In terms of the villains, I think Dr Facilier and Mother Gothel were both really memorable characters, especially Facilier; great animation, great voice actor, great song. Neither are quite on the level of the likes of Maleficent or Cruella De Vil or Scar but I thought they were definitely very good characters. The next Disney villain will apparently be voiced by Jane Lynch in Wreck-It Ralph so hopefully, that character will continue the quality of the last two villains, I just hope it isn't an animated rehash of her character from Glee.

[Disney's Divinity]

^ I don't think Jane Lynch is going to be the main villain in that. They described the villain as something/someone that gets unleashed (accidentally?). She might be a minor antagonist, or maybe an unlikable character, but I don't think she's the villain exactly.

Anyway, I thought John Silver and even Bowler Hat Guy were pretty good characters, but as far as villains--no. And I'm probably alone, but I've always liked Alameda Slim. He's no Ursula, etc. But I liked him in that ridiculous, whimsical way--like with Pete or Prince John. Rourke definitely wasn't a stand-out, but he fit the film in question (which was overall, pretty bland).

I hope they keep getting better in quality as they have been, so we can see another great Disney Villain in the coming years. I miss them.

[DisneyAnimation88]

I wasn't sure, I've seen on different blogs and forums that she was the villain. I'd love to see Disney do another villain like Frollo, a character that is sadistically evil with a really powerful motive. As much as I like Facilier, Gothel and Yzma, none of them had the effect that Frollo still has when I watch Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[Disney Duster]

Jay, I don't know about Princess and the Frog being longer, as Disney movies are all about the same length. Maybe instead, some unecessary or not-so-good stuff should have just been placed with better, more character or story-developing stuff, like something to replace the Frog Hunters or some side character jokes?

I think it was the Disney type of humour (if that type even excist), Yzma is one of my favorite characters ever. And I think it's good that they change the style/humour/etc of the Disney movies, because it doesn't have to be all the same to have a 'Disney feeling'.

Lots of people noticed the humor in Emporer's New Groove was different from how Disney used to do it. And lots of people even said it was more like Warner Brothers than Disney. Some of it even reminded me of Nicktoons...not Disney.

He could know what a good family is despite being good a short time. Lilo didn't give up on him and Nani supported her for wanting to help Stitch even though Nani had mixed feelings about him.

But Stitch had only just kind of begun to know what a family was and he had not seen any other families to even know what a family should be like or to compare Lilo's family to!

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I think an undead Slim would have been much better. >.> I just find it hard to take him seriously at all. With Prince John I found him to at least be likeable....

I haven't seen Bolt yet and I don't really have high expectations for it so we will see how that turns out if I ever do watch it.

[DisneyJedi]

Hey, does anyone else believe that some of Disney's recent villains were a bit lacking in the motivation department?

I mean, I don't think we know why Mother Gothel wanted to stay young. What, was she doing it as to be like some sort of black widow?

[Super Aurora]

I mean, I don't think we know why Mother Gothel wanted to stay young. What, was she doing it as to be like some sort of black widow?

Vanity.


and Dr. Facilier's motivation seems to have been address and shown pretty clearly to us.

[DisneyJedi]

Yeah, but look at other villains.

Queen Grimhilde wanted to be the fairest in the land, even if it meant killing Snow White.

Maleficent wanted revenge on the kingdom because she wasn't invited to Aurora's christening.

Lady Tremain most likely wanted to get one of her own two daughters married to the prince just for possibly the royal family's riches, yet they treat Cinderella like crap.

Captain Hook wanted revenge on Peter Pan for cutting off his hand and feeding it to a crocodile.

Cruella De Vil wanted to make a fur coat out of dalmatian fur.

Prince John was a greedy spoiled brat who forced the citizens to pay unfair taxes.

The Horned King wanted a cauldron to harness its powers so he could unleash an army of the undead onto the world.

Ratigan wanted to take over Mousedom...

[DisneyAnimation88]

Dr Facilier had a pretty evil motive, he wanted to kill Big Daddy La Bouff and take over New Orleans using voodoo magic. Gothel abducted a baby which, while she might not have had the most evil motive, is still an evil thing to do.

[Jay]

Jay, I don't know about Princess and the Frog being longer, as Disney movies are all about the same length. Maybe instead, some unecessary or not-so-good stuff should have just been placed with better, more character or story-developing stuff, like something to replace the Frog Hunters or some side character jokes?

Yeah maybe if they cut out some filler stuff it would have been better. But PatF is definately shorter than your average Disney film atleast it feels that way to me lol. Maybe if they had one or two smaller scenes with Facilier. Idk I could have done without the hunter scene really lol.

[Disney Duster]

Enchanted: I do like this movie, but I was initially very disappointed with the messy ending. Nancy did nothing wrong, yet she gets stuck with vapid Prince Edward. I'm still disappointed with it, but I've become resigned to the fact that Nancy was wronged.

Um...did you miss how Nancy wanted something romantic and fairy tale-ish. Or that Prince Edward is not supposed to be empty or stupid, just not able to understand the complexities of the real world or a typical adult villain's intelligence? But you are certainly right that it made him look stupid instead, because...

Because Disney ended up making every character from Andalasia look pretty vapid and stupid at the very beginning, because the people that made the film very wrongly decided to make the characters based on their own opinions that the original Disney fairy tale characters were too flat, naive, and unrealistic, saying the characters in Andalasia would be "as 2-D as the animation!" When Walt Disney tried his hardest to make his animated characters be as realistic in personality and emotion as possible, even if other people think he failed, that the very company he founded would turn around and make a film portraying such awful, stereotyped things about their own characters is flat out wrong.

[DisneyFan09]

Oh, I didn't knew. I wasn't here discussing that film on these boards. I'm sorry.

Why do you take everything I say as an insult?

Because sometimes you have the ability to come off as too direct, which actually can be insulting.

I'm sorry for nitpicking, but I still disagree with you when it comes to the dynamic between Lilo and Stitch. Lilo genuinly loved and him, while Stitch was using her and didn't seem to have a genuine affection for her at all. And when he finally decided to help her, it seemed just because out of pity for Nani. Not because he genuinly was worried about Lilo.

How could you call it a good chemistry when the dynamic between the main characters when they're not even having a mutual affection for each other? That was one of the mayor of many flaws that prevented "Lilo & Stitch" to be better than it was. In fact, I was amused when Lilo finally punched Stitch and told him that he destroyed everything. I was like; "You finally woke up and smelled the coffee, girl"

I respect your opinion, but its wrong to declare that my point of view is false. So please stop that.

[DisneyFan09]

I rewatched Hercules a while back because I hadn't seen it in years and while I thought it was cute I didn't love it as much as the other films from the 90's.

Sorry, but that doesn't really count. I meant Disney flicks that you haven't seen before at all and were building expectations for it.

[DC Fan]

Oliver and Company: no matter how many times I give it a try, it never holds my attention.

The Princess and the Frog: everything goes down the hill when they arrive in the swamps.

Dinosaur: the first time I saw it thought it was mediocre. Now I just find it so so.

Bolt: one that could have been great but fails to do so.

Chicken Little: bad.

Meet the Robinsons; awful

Home on the Range: terrible


As for Pixar:

Cars; way too long, very slow and at times boring.

[slave2moonlight]

Just a quick one, because I'm in a rush. Maybe I'll add more later, but there isn't a lot in the animated category (maybe I'll come up with some live-action ones, not time right now).

Atlantis (first and foremost)

I love subjects of the mysterious, unexplained, paranormal, crypto, etc... like Bigfoot, Atlantis, Loch Ness,... anything that might be on In Search Of, ha. However, to me, this movie was really disappointing. I felt like I was watching someone else play a video game, and there was no character development I can remember (haven't watched it in a while, but I do have that 2 disc collector's edition).