Would you like to se an gay/lesbian couple in a Disney film?

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PatrickvD wrote: because it will be impossible for the intended audience to be able to identify with them. Aside from the obvious insanity that would break out across the world, there are many reasons why it isn't necessary.

From a young age gay kids have learnt to understand and identify with heterosexual standards. While I do think it is important to teach in schools about homosexuality at a young age so all kids will learn there is nothing wrong with two boys in love or two girls together, I think Disney is too mainstream a company to cater to a small group like this. Let's face it, if they would do this, it would be for adults... and they're not Disney's target demo.

A few gay secondary characters would be nice though. But I don't have a desire to see them as main characters and I don't think it's a necessity. And it's obviously a matter so complex I doubt anyone could pull it off without offending someone. People are so easily offended anyway these days...
I disagree. I believe if the film is done well, it could inspire a lot of necessary conversations between a child and their parents. Basically, you are saying that because children are raised to identify with heterosexual ideologies, a movie with a gay couple would not be enjoyable. You could equate that statement this: Because children are raised to play safely and do as their parents say, they would not enjoy Pirates of the Caribbean. Adults and children alike identify with characters from movies for many reasons. Whether it is the way they move, speak, look or the decisions they make, there is always one quality in any well developed character that I can identify with - straight or gay, good or evil, dead or alive, black or white.

Just because an idea is not familiar to a child does not mean they are purposefully ignorant to it. If anything, introducing homosexuality to children at a young age, as you've said, is a good thing. Between the ages of 1 and 10, we learn the most about how things work than any other age. When "complex" things such as homosexuality are taught as though they are a way of life, the weight of the problem is lifted and instead is thought of as normal in a child's head.
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Disney Duster wrote:Like I said Margos and PatrickvD,
Disney Duster wrote:I meant if you say no it's either because you are a homophobe or the reason has nothing to do with actually answering the question of what you want to see or are fine with seeing, it's for some other reason like you think Disney would do it wrong or you thing it would cause too much controversy. Reasons that have nothing to do with the one question of if Disney did it at all.
well, I also don't want to see gay characters in a Disney film. What I want is traditional stories. Classic characters and settings. The more traditional approach is what I prefer. I may be gay, but I don't want to see gay stuff around me 24/7. It's what I am, not who I am. It doesn't define me and gay love stories in a Disney film is something I have no interest in seeing. Does there have to be some hidden agenda or something?
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Ha! People weren't even ready for the first "black" princess in The Princess and the Frog. Do you really think they would accept a gay couple? I highly doubt it and also Disney would be blamed for not truly portraying the gay couple properly.
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So then PatrickvD, do you mean you only want to see stories that were created before the Walt Disney studios ever came to be?

Because they created their own stories that were classic like Lady and the Tramp, or if you want more classic, The Lion King. And they came up with the story for Enchanted.

If you think no one was ever gay back in medieval castle times, uh, there were gays in Greek times and the beginning of time. They can make a gay classic story and I myself have thought of gay fairy tales that would be wonderful for Disney to make real.

Disney has made freakin' animals fall in love in classic stories. They can show some gay humans fall in love in classic stories too.
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:clap: :clap: :clap:
Disney Duster, man, I couldn't have said it better myself.
And here's something else I was thinking about.... What makes a gay couple not be able to be the protagonists in a "classic story." I mean, for Pete's sake, no classic fairy tales are specifically about interracial couples, either, but Pocahontas and TPatF did just fine, and if you say, "Well, I really don't want to see that in a Disney film!" Then.... Sorry, that's really racist. This is the same damn thing, and I don't understand how you can't see that, PatrickvD.
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I'm probably walking into a hornet's nest with this one, but I don't see the point of asking someone's opinion on a topic, and then making it clear that there's only one acceptable answer.
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Disneyphile wrote:I'm probably walking into a hornet's nest with this one, but I don't see the point of asking someone's opinion on a topic, and then making it clear that there's only one acceptable answer.
thank you..
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Disneyphile wrote:I'm probably walking into a hornet's nest with this one, but I don't see the point of asking someone's opinion on a topic, and then making it clear that there's only one acceptable answer.
That's this forum in a nutshell.
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That makes too much sense, hush now. :lol:

You're right. Obviously. The best point made in the entire thread.
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DisneyFan09 wrote:I understand if this question may seem weird, but I'm actually serious; Would you like to see a homosexual/lesbian couple in a Disney film?
I don't really care, besides, I think we already have seen "gay characters" in Disney films, even if the filmmakers weren't open about it.
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Just wanted to say thank you Margos, I'm really thankful for those claps. I loved what you said, too. :clap:

All that I wish is that Disney made a completely new story for Princess and the Frog, instead of just changing The Frog Prince. Ah!
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Anyone else think Prince John and Sir Hiss were gay?
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Yeah I kind of wondered that about John and Hiss, lol, last time I watched that movie.

I personally don't have a problem with gay characters in a Disney movie, whether they're the main protagonists or supporting characters or what. In my opinion the question is......do people really want to see this? I would imagine the majority would say no.
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I would not mind to see a gay alladin or hercules together, as long as they would not be stereotypes, ofcourse, I don't think this will never happen, We now have our first black princess, who whould have thought years ago, that that would ever happen? Nothing is inpossible
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No, I would not.
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Disneyphile wrote:I'm probably walking into a hornet's nest with this one, but I don't see the point of asking someone's opinion on a topic, and then making it clear that there's only one acceptable answer.
I've stayed out of this entirely so far. But if I was going to say anything...

The funny thing about Disney? I don't think a Black Princess would have been that controversial in 2000. Yet, they waited even longer to spring that film on us. They basically waited until Shrek came out first, with an ugly, green-faced princess. Then, it was okay for them to incorporate black representation into a hero/heroine role. That's how much they care about progressive cultural values. Corporately, they see black people on an inferior level to Ogres. Today's Disney is insincere with everything they do. Like I want to see them try to insult the gay community next. Seriously- they could have done a black princess before. And they didn't.

If anyone here would expect me to believe the reason why is because they were afraid of racist backlash... they shouldn't be pandering to that kind of mindset in the first place (not that, for example, Jasmine or Pocahontas were that socially progressive to begin with). If this world makes it to the 2020's... maybe then we'll be talking a potential gay prince or princess. But they'll probably be in the closet. Right now, why don't we concentrate on a character that ends the movie without a love interest tied to them. That alone might get people talking...
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Quasimodo was a character who ended a movie without a love interest.
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Lazario wrote:
The funny thing about Disney? I don't think a Black Princess would have been that controversial in 2000. Yet, they waited even longer to spring that film on us. They basically waited until Shrek came out first, with an ugly, green-faced princess. Then, it was okay for them to incorporate black representation into a hero/heroine role. That's how much they care about progressive cultural values. Corporately, they see black people on an inferior level to Ogres.
I think you're looking way into it than it actually is...(especially that last line, even though it was funny.)

The whole Black Princess thing came about due to the massive Princess line and the need to make it culturally diverse thanks to the power of PC. When Aladdin, TLM, and BatB came out they didn't have any princess line shit.
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Lazario wrote:
Disneyphile wrote:I'm probably walking into a hornet's nest with this one, but I don't see the point of asking someone's opinion on a topic, and then making it clear that there's only one acceptable answer.
I've stayed out of this entirely so far. But if I was going to say anything...

The funny thing about Disney? I don't think a Black Princess would have been that controversial in 2000. Yet, they waited even longer to spring that film on us. They basically waited until Shrek came out first, with an ugly, green-faced princess. Then, it was okay for them to incorporate black representation into a hero/heroine role. That's how much they care about progressive cultural values. Corporately, they see black people on an inferior level to Ogres. Today's Disney is insincere with everything they do. Like I want to see them try to insult the gay community next. Seriously- they could have done a black princess before. And they didn't.

If anyone here would expect me to believe the reason why is because they were afraid of racist backlash... they shouldn't be pandering to that kind of mindset in the first place (not that, for example, Jasmine or Pocahontas were that socially progressive to begin with). If this world makes it to the 2020's... maybe then we'll be talking a potential gay prince or princess. But they'll probably be in the closet. Right now, why don't we concentrate on a character that ends the movie without a love interest tied to them. That alone might get people talking...
Yeah...agree with most of that. I'm not a fan of the way Disney is managed and run now, a lot of it seems just so....cynical.

Like your Avatar by the way, isn't it from a certain Lucio Fulci movie? It's one I love too.
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Thanks, SuperA. And for the record, you're probably right. I'm sure they care even less than I gave them credit for.

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