Restorations of the classics

[Nandor]

Ok, this really explains a lot about your ignorance.

Personal attacks are against forum rules. Be careful about that.

[rj.disney]

I've read from professional reviews of the Diamond Edition that the blurry shots were the results of the new restoration. By "result", I do not mean to say that it was intentional on the part of the people who did the restoration, but the result of the restoration in which the flaws of the animation became more obvious. I've read from a review that the blurry shots were caused by cels not being completely flat while the frames were transferred on film.

I thought that the blurry shots could only be seen in the Blu-ray. Hmmm, so it must be the restoration.

I have not bought the Diamond Edition yet (I have to wait until the end of the month), so I do not know exactly how it looks like..

Screenshots anyone?

[Elladorine]

I dunno, I think the whole thing looks pretty damn good for its age.

*EDIT*

By the way, is this screencap from the segment in question that's supposedly so blurry it's unrecognizable?



This is from the new DVD that came with my blu-ray combo pack. I might say it looks a bit soft here, but nothing to freak out over. Or if I have the wrong scene, well, I had a hard time telling.

[Marky_198]

Ok, this really explains a lot about your ignorance.

Personal attacks are against forum rules. Be careful about that.

You should be careful with your silly accusations.

Now, do I need to tell you what the actual word means?

"Ignorance is the state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information. This should not be confused with being unintelligent, as one's level of intelligence and level of education or general awareness are not the same. The word "Ignorant" is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware. The term may be used specifically (e.g. "One can be an expert in math, and totally ignorant of history.") or generally (e.g. "an ignorant person)."

In this case you are unaware of the blurry scene, even after you looked for it.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Marky_198]

enigmawing, wrong shot.

[Marky_198]

I've read from professional reviews of the Diamond Edition that the blurry shots were the results of the new restoration. By "result", I do not mean to say that it was intentional on the part of the people who did the restoration, but the result of the restoration in which the flaws of the animation became more obvious. I've read from a review that the blurry shots were caused by cels not being completely flat while the frames were transferred on film.

I thought that the blurry shots could only be seen in the Blu-ray. Hmmm, so it must be the restoration.

I have not bought the Diamond Edition yet (I have to wait until the end of the month), so I do not know exactly how it looks like..

Screenshots anyone?

Thank you very much.

Exactly, this problem is NOT present in early versions.

[SpringHeelJack]

No, Marky, it's present, but because your laserdisc is (cover your ears) of a lower quality than Blu-ray, it's not noticeable. It's still there.

[KubrickFan]

It has nothing to do with that.

The scene is wrong and damaged.
It seems like you have double standards.
In previous versions this scene looks perfect, and suddenly it looks damaged and extremely blurry.

So do you or do you not care about the filmmakers intentions?
Because this mistake is certainly not what was intended.

This 'damage' was always there, if you're referring to the thing I think you are. There are some slightly softer frames because of the misalignment or damaging when they did the multiplane shots seventy years ago. Entire shots being soft are probably your imagination, because they're not there.

And it's funny that you should talk about intentions by filmmakers, because you so easily dismiss them when you don't like it (Beauty and the Beast, for example).
Point is, Theo Gluck and his team did a wonderful restoration of Snow White. If you don't want to see that, please stick to the Laserdisc and stop complaining about it.

[Elladorine]

I'd be more than happy to post screencaps from the DVD off the Diamond Edition as well as the Platinum Edition DVD for comparison . . . if I knew exactly what scene we're referring to. Granted, I'd literally been up all night working (and still haven't gotten enough sleep) but I didn't see anything blurry popping out at me.

[2099net]

Hi Marky! We really must stop meeting like this. People will start to gossip.

Anyhow. Here's an article you may find enlightening (or perhaps not, given your past record). It's highly regarded and highy skilled Disney animator Andreas Deja talking about the latest Snow White restoration which includes quotes from him such as:

"Yes!" Deja declares. "I can guarantee you will. There is a pristine quality to it. It's like there is a window into Snow White. It's like the window opens and you are looking at the real thing. It is just amazing. The clarity of the image is almost shocking, it is so beautiful. And the nuances in the colour tones, especially in the backgrounds ..."

He says most people have never seen exactly what Snow White is supposed to look like. With new prints struck for theatrical re-releases in the 1950s through the 1970s, "there was a tendency to go toward the warm colour and push the yellows and the oranges and the reds -- and the blues were really compromised. Also, the contrast seemed to be too strong. The dark backgrounds, whether it was a forest or a castle wall, seemed to go almost black.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, now cleaned of dirt and dust, with frame tears fixed and colour corrected, looks like what Walt Disney wanted it to look like.

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment ... 6-sun.html

Now, I'm sure if the situation was reversed, you'd be more inclined to believe Deja's word or mine, just like I (and I suspect almost everyone else) is likely to believe Deja's word over yours.

As for the "blurryness" - there's lots of reasons this could be so - faults with the shooting, faults with the actual negative at that point... who knows?

I suspect it's because various cels weren't 100% flat when shot and thus form thin shadows. You can see this to left of the top-left area of the Hag/Witch in this image.


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As you can see, it can make the edge of the image appear blurred. It's something less likely to be noticed on a smaller resolution, as you can see (the smaller image is simply resized in "Paint .Net" to 50% of the original. No other processing was performed. (In actuality an SD image is less than 50% of a HD image so the blurring would be even harder to see on LD, VHS or DVD.)

So in conclusion, I expect what you are seeing is what the original audience would have seen at the time, because believe it or not, the original film is not flawless!

What I do know is those responsible for the restoration aren't superhuman and can only do so much. I find it incredible you you constantly complain about the sharpness of Blu-ray giving you headaches, or showing the Prince to be too feminine. Yet here you are complaining one section is too "blurry". It really is unbelievable!

[ajmrowland]

The last part of "with a smile and a song".

[Wonderlicious]

enigmawing, wrong shot.

In that case, why don't you find the still you want people to look at, then? Or are you just making the whole thing up as an extended joke?

[Elladorine]

Yeah right, focusing on the movie and not noticing that a whole scene is so blurry that you can't even make out what film it is.

Ohhh, wait . . . you must have been talking about this scene then:

[Marky_198]

Yep, that's the scene, although the shot I meant was a few seconds later.

I brought this up, because everyone is always complaining about how blurry laserdisc was/is, and how hd is the only good thing, and yet no-one seems to care about a scene looking like this.

But the basic thing is, this extreme sharpness doesn't do the classics any good.
Flms on cinema screens were never that sharp. Not like this.
HD ruins the classics. That's a shame.
That's why everything is so flat and visible. It sucks all the life out of it.

[SpringHeelJack]

Then please, by all means, stick to your laserdiscs.

[Escapay]

And start your own forum:

http://www.ultimatemarky.com/forum



albert

[Elladorine]

And start your own forum:

http://www.ultimatemarky.com/forum



albert

Oh god. I actually clicked on that and I knew better.

[Nandor]

Yes, I hate how being visible sucks the life out of things

Oh, I am so done trying to reason with you. You ask whether anyone noticed the scene being blurry and I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and actually check it. My bad, won't happen again.
Also, 'Ignorance is the state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information'. Since I did none of these, your comment still counts as a personal attack. Can't be aware of something that isn't there, just like you can't be ignorant of the sky being green. That said, I'm out. I'll join the rest of the forum in laughing at your posts

[KubrickFan]

But the basic thing is, this extreme sharpness doesn't do the classics any good.

Do you even read what others write? It's not extremely sharp, Snow White looks quite soft because of the Technicolor process used back then. And again you keep forgetting that 35mm film has a much higher quality than Blu-ray has, so it cannot look sharper than film.

[Escapay]

And start your own forum:

http://www.ultimatemarky.com/forum



albert

Oh god. I actually clicked on that and I knew better.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

And welcome to our side, Nandor! It's fun! We have popcorn and milk duds (the real ones, not the milk buds!) and skittles and poisoned dragon's liver!

albert