Sleeping Beauty DVD AND BLU-RAY Discussion Thread Vol. II

[Marky_198]

I'm with wildphantom on this one.

I'm pretty sure that the picture IS supposed to be that sharp but we're so used to seeing it not that clear to know any better. I personally like to see the deatail that someone spent hours into putting in each film. I admire the artistic ability that the animators in the studio had while working on this film and when it's "blurry" you don't really get that. You can't see the details in the backgrounds or in each character's design, as they were intended to be. Afterall detail was one of Walt's visions for this film, that's a lot of why it took so much time and money to make.

I think this is nonsense.
Do you really think the dvd version is going to look "blurry"?
It's extremely sharp and perfect. Yoy can see every detail and character design perfectly.
The Blu Ray screenshots show that the movie loses everything by making it way too sharp.
You can ruin a live action movie too by making it too sharp and unrealistic.

[yukitora]

I'm with wildphantom on this one.

I'm pretty sure that the picture IS supposed to be that sharp but we're so used to seeing it not that clear to know any better. I personally like to see the deatail that someone spent hours into putting in each film. I admire the artistic ability that the animators in the studio had while working on this film and when it's "blurry" you don't really get that. You can't see the details in the backgrounds or in each character's design, as they were intended to be. Afterall detail was one of Walt's visions for this film, that's a lot of why it took so much time and money to make.

I think this is nonsense.
Do you really think the dvd version is going to look "blurry"?
It's extremely sharp and perfect. Yoy can see every detail and character design perfectly.
The Blu Ray screenshots show that the movie loses everything by making it way too sharp.
You can ruin a live action movie too by making it too sharp and unrealistic.

ugh, no you can't. Especially as this film has a lot of "zoomed" out scenes, where faces are just blurs on the DVD.

Please detail on how you "lose everything by making it way too sharp". Sure that's true for artificial sharpening, but that's not the case here.

[sabertoothdagger]

Does anyone know what retailers are going to be offering in addition to the Sleeping Beauty DVD / BluRay? As in, plush, lithographs, etc?

[Ariel'sprince]

I've made a vow to myself that I won't start collecting Blu-Ray, otherwise I'll just be re-updating my collection and double dipping for the 3rd or 4th time. That's why I really hope they don't phase DVDs out for Blu-Ray when it comes to releases I don't have like Fantasia, Fantasia 200 and Snow White. Please don't do that to me Disney

Agree,and Blu-Ray is pretty much the same as DVD only a little,but just a little,better.
I might buy The Little Mermaid on Blu-Ray and I might buy Enchanted on Blu-Ray if it will be a 2 discs edition (And with a prettier cover).

[CampbellzSoup]

I've made a vow to myself that I won't start collecting Blu-Ray, otherwise I'll just be re-updating my collection and double dipping for the 3rd or 4th time. That's why I really hope they don't phase DVDs out for Blu-Ray when it comes to releases I don't have like Fantasia, Fantasia 200 and Snow White. Please don't do that to me Disney

Agree,and Blu-Ray is pretty much the same as DVD only a little,but just a little,better.
I might buy The Little Mermaid on Blu-Ray and I might buy Enchanted on Blu-Ray if it will be a 2 discs edition (And with a prettier cover).

Incorrect. If you have a hihg defintion television and surround system it's actually much much better.

[Ariel'sprince]

Agree,and Blu-Ray is pretty much the same as DVD only a little,but just a little,better.
I might buy The Little Mermaid on Blu-Ray and I might buy Enchanted on Blu-Ray if it will be a 2 discs edition (And with a prettier cover).

Incorrect. If you have a hihg defintion television and surround system it's actually much much better.

Actually,I don't have a HD TV and I don't think that I have a surround system.

[singerguy04]

I cannot understand how anyone can argue that the DVD is more precise than the Blu-ray. It's obvious that Blu-ray stands above the DVD images. True, it's not an amazing difference, but the way these are presented on the Blu-ray is the closest thing we have to how they were presented originally in theatres. That is FACT! This has absoltely nothing to do with the restoration process, both have the same restoration! The Blu-ray can hold more data than the DVD and that means that the DVD image isn't as good because it's not all there! The Blu-ray DOES have all the data so it's presented in the way it's supposed to be seen. I know I cannot not argue about personal taste, but this isn't about personal taste. It's about how it's supposed to be seen. An please explain how this film was supposed to be realistic in the first place.

Sorry if this comes off as shrewd. I just feel like I'm arguing about who has a better economic plan, Obama or Palin... oops i mean McCain.

[drfsupercenter]

There's not really THAT BIG of a difference between DVD and Blu-Ray... if you play a well-made DVD in an Xbox 360, PS3, or Blu-Ray player, it looks pretty darn good on an HDTV. Granted Blu-Ray will be a bit better, but it's not night and day like they make it out to be. (Like how the Blu-Ray sample video they keep looping at video stores intentionally screws up the DVD segments to make them appear worse than they actually are on the original disc...)

I'm not complaining about the detail, even. But to quote a guy from Best Buy, "Brighter is not always better." Disney keeps making the colors brighter and brighter as the releases go on... and it gets to a point, like the Blu-Ray screencaps, where it just looks absurd compared to any of the other releases.

The DVD one has better-looking colors (to me, at least) than the Blu-Ray one. Judging by the 8 or so screenshots that were uploaded. (By the way, where are these people getting the discs from? Did someone rob a delivery truck or something?)

@Flanger-Hanger, Mollyzkobou was referring to a certain set of encodes of Pokémon, that for the longest time were the only way to watch it (due to the rarity of the DVDs of season 3... and up until the new boxsets of Indigo League, the very first season). He used so much filtering to make it look good (as in, not pixelated or blurry) that certain parts actually look like an oil painting in that all the qualities that make the show what it is have been sucked out.

I'll take some screenshots later to show you just how horrible those encodes were. (Compared to the DVDs, of course)

[amazon980]

I cannot understand how anyone can argue that the DVD is more precise than the Blu-ray. It's obvious that Blu-ray stands above the DVD images. True, it's not an amazing difference, but the way these are presented on the Blu-ray is the closest thing we have to how they were presented originally in theatres. That is FACT! This has absoltely nothing to do with the restoration process, both have the same restoration! The Blu-ray can hold more data than the DVD and that means that the DVD image isn't as good because it's not all there! The Blu-ray DOES have all the data so it's presented in the way it's supposed to be seen. I know I cannot not argue about personal taste, but this isn't about personal taste. It's about how it's supposed to be seen. An please explain how this film was supposed to be realistic in the first place.

Sorry if this comes off as shrewd. I just feel like I'm arguing about who has a better economic plan, Obama or Palin... oops i mean McCain.

I agree.

[drfsupercenter]

If it's exactly the same difference, than what's up with the brightness being different on EVERY SINGLE SHOT?

Compressing has absolutely nothing to do with brightness. I could take the 1080p Blu-Ray version and compress it to MPEG-2, as the studios do, and it will look exactly the same when comparing screenshots (With the obvious difference being the frame size...)

If they are exactly the same restoration, that's fine. Maybe it's the fault of whatever program took the screenshots. But all I'm saying (along with almost everyone else here) is that the COLORS of the DVD version look better than the colors of the Blu-Ray version. It has nothing to do with how clear the picture is, whether it's blurry, whatever.

[KubrickFan]

I cannot understand how anyone can argue that the DVD is more precise than the Blu-ray. It's obvious that Blu-ray stands above the DVD images. True, it's not an amazing difference, but the way these are presented on the Blu-ray is the closest thing we have to how they were presented originally in theatres. That is FACT! This has absoltely nothing to do with the restoration process, both have the same restoration! The Blu-ray can hold more data than the DVD and that means that the DVD image isn't as good because it's not all there! The Blu-ray DOES have all the data so it's presented in the way it's supposed to be seen. I know I cannot not argue about personal taste, but this isn't about personal taste. It's about how it's supposed to be seen. An please explain how this film was supposed to be realistic in the first place.

Well, I could argue with that. Disney clearly has stated that they don't want these films to look the way they did fifty years ago, but they want them to look contemporary, to make them look attractive to younger audiences. I thought it was Frank Thomas (or one of the other Nine Old Men who was still alive at the time) who said about the release of Snow White on dvd: "They're nice colors. They're not the way they were back then, but nice".
And you would've had grain in the picture, and probably a much more natural looking film, if it was scanned from the 70mm picture.

Oh, and it can never be the same as it was in theaters, because of the wrong aspect ratio. [/b]

[DisneyFreak5282]

I'm going to buy the regular DVD for now, however when I have more money I'll get the Blu Ray too. I don't have the equipment yet for Blu Ray, but you know, Disney and their vault.

I decided that too. I'm hoping the Blu-Ray will be cheap on Black Friday, because if I already own the DVD by then I will be getting that. If I don't own the DVD version then I will be buying that by or on Black Friday.

[magicalwands]

From DVDTalk.com:
Best Buy- 14.99 / 24.99: Free Exclusive Sleeping Beauty alarm clock with the purchase of Sleeping Beauty on DVD OR Blu-Ray
Circuit City- 14.99 / 25.99: Free Sleeping Beauty Ion-on decal with purchase of Sleeping Beauty DVD
Target- 15.99: Sampler DVD which features highlights from the all-new Tinker Bell movie

Should I wait until Black Friday for the DVD? I have no intentions to actually want this, I really could wait until November. I remember seeing The Little Mermaid on sale, but was last year's Jungle Book on sale?

[stewie15]

Whats black friday?

[pap64]

Whats black friday?

Its the day after Thanksgiving. In the US its the official of the Holiday shopping season. Nearly 90% of stores offer great deals and bargains during this day. The day is infamous for the great amount of greed and consumerism it creates, hence why its called "Black Friday".

[amazon980]

Whats black friday?

Hell on earth when you work at disney store.
SO MANY PEOPLE! and all those shirts O_O i died a little that day.

[Marky_198]

Disney clearly has stated that they don't want these films to look the way they did fifty years ago, but they want them to look contemporary, to make them look attractive to younger audiences. Frank Thomas (or one of the other Nine Old Men who was still alive at the time) who said about the release of Snow White on dvd: "They're nice colors. They're not the way they were back then, but nice".
And you would've had grain in the picture, and probably a much more natural looking film, if it was scanned from the 70mm picture.
. [/b]

Exactly.

Can you believe there are some people on here that just ignore the words of the original artists and Disney and say that it's exactly what the film looked like in theatres back then? Just like they do with SB now?
Crazy....

[Marky_198]

Please detail on how you "lose everything by making it way too sharp". Sure that's true for artificial sharpening, but that's not the case here.

I think this IS the case here.
Photographed cells and backgrounds don't look like this.

[amazon980]

You know what’s really funny? (Trying to stop the arguing a bit) Is the whole world going to hell and all we can talk about is Sleeping Beauty's restoration.

[Marky_198]

You know what’s really funny? (Trying to stop the arguing a bit) Is the whole world going to hell and all we can talk about is Sleeping Beauty's restoration.

In the end it's all about stopping the damaging of beauty
In the world and in a film.