Official 'Enchanted' Discussion Thread + Trailer !

[Atlantica]

I think the video is now removed from Youtube, I don't know why! It was really nice I have to say...why couldn't it be a fully-animated film? WAAAAAA!!

i could not agree more! (About it being fully animated, I mean.) We will get our wish with The Princess and the Frog though!

[Jules]

Oh yes, I quite agree with you that Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and so forth have a lot more soul than the likes of Pocahontas (which is actually one of my least favourites). I'm really only saying that the animation was better in the later films of the 90s - it was certainly not completely on model in The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast, and the animation within these later films has a much better consistency and flow to it - it manages to be both character-y and designer-y in Hercules, for example, a definite step up from Mermaid.

Ok, so we're saying that later 90s films are animated better than early 90s films, but by how much. Are they marginally better, or is there a substantial difference to the trained eye?

By the way, I'm curious ... do you consider The Lion King to form part of the early 90s flicks in terms of animation? Surely Lion King was fine, wasn't it? Roger Ebert says it is "superbly drawn" in his review.

And what about Hunchback? I think it's superbly animated, but what is your opinion?

[Billy Moon]

I have to say...why couldn't it be a fully-animated film? WAAAAAA!!

Because it would have been pretty hard to do the "real world" sequences in animation so that it would look convincing enough.

[purin]

Hm, I've never thought about Ariel's eye ducts...
It was her lip that caught my attention. However... I wonder if the scenes in which Ariel looked more realistic (not just her lip) were instead done so she was more "on model," would they have had the same impact on me?

Anyway, there's being on model and there's fluidity, but the real key to animation is what you DO with it to make us feel when whe watch it.

As for why it couldn't all be animated... You probably could do the second half in animation convincingly. The problem is the language of "different worlds." I suppose if you were to do the whole movie animated, you'd need something else to make the worlds THAT different (like in Wizard of Oz): maybe a different style, a different set of colors (like in Brother Bear), or a different type of animation all together. Since she's going from "Fantasy" to the "Real World" it does follow that her world is created and ours is the actual thing.

... but...

Why is animation such an issue if there's only a teensie bit of it at the beginning of the movie?
('cause we brought it up, I guess...)

[Cierra_Dancer]

Why is animation such an issue if there's only a teensie bit of it at the beginning of the movie?
('cause we brought it up, I guess...)

Well there's some at the end too.

I would guess that...

part of it is that people have been waiting a while and have heard about how Enchanted is the first movie in whatever years to do 2D again! So some people are a little down because they expected it to be amazing looking.

Also it's 2D which hasn't been done in a while as mentioned above, and people are hoping it sets off more 2D movies, which I think it is.

[Disneykid]

Well, I personally think the consistency began with Aladdin. The movie has a very uniform look to it with an even level of quality throughout it. Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast, though, have some rough edges. Both films have characters looking kind of slap-dash when they're far from the camera, especially background characters. I also find the line-art in both films to be somewhat odd. I can't really put my finger on it, but the way the clean-up animation is done doesn't seem to be as smooth as later films, and there's a sort of lack of depth that (dare I say it) sometimes makes them look a little DTV-ish. Please note, though, that I'm not slamming the animation. Both films are superbly animated overall; I'm merely stating that if you were to pick nits and really analyze them, the Disney films from Aladdin onward have a smoother, deeper appearance to them.

As for the question of whether there's a huge difference in quality, the answer's no. Examining everything overall, there's not a huge leap, but when you really sit down and look closely (especially on a larger display), you can see the difference. It's also easy to see the difference when you're viewing a montage of Disney scenes like in any YouTube fan video. Maybe it's because Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast are more natural than the proceeding films, and are therefore harder to keep at a consistent level than something ultra-stylized like Pocahontas and Hercules.

[Cierra_Dancer]

Anybody see the resemblence?

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

II have to say...why couldn't it be a fully-animated film? WAAAAAA!!

Because the animation in the film is already ugly enough?

[kbehm29]

They showed this trailer before POTC: At World's End.

It had the audience ooooohing and aaaaahing. They barely showed any of the animated portion of the movie, though. Some of the special effects looked amazing. I will go see this.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

I have to say...why couldn't it be a fully-animated film? WAAAAAA!!

Because it would have been pretty hard to do the "real world" sequences in animation so that it would look convincing enough.

What about using the same characters in a completely different story?

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

II have to say...why couldn't it be a fully-animated film? WAAAAAA!!

Because the animation in the film is already ugly enough?

Good Lord..

[Poody]

What about using the same characters in a completely different story?

Well, don't worry.... Enchanted II is apparently already in the works.... If it happens, I would assume that someone from the real world (maybe the guy she meets) is sent to her "enchanting" animated land....

[Jules]

II have to say...why couldn't it be a fully-animated film? WAAAAAA!!

Because the animation in the film is already ugly enough?

T/P Fan, do you think anyone is convinced you really think the animation is crappy!? I think we are all too used to your slamming every newly released Pixar film. Apparently, simply because the animation in Enchanted has been done at James Baxter's place, it's worthless to you, isn't it?

And please stop picking on poor Ariel and Aurora. Just say you don't like the films, but don't portray them as utter pig droppings.

Sorry for the rant, but I am very tired of T/P Fan's constant netgative attitude. And he knows it. His gripes are never justified.

[Billy Moon]

What about using the same characters in a completely different story?

Why? They were created for this film. And, they are obviously designed to resemble all of the clichés in classic Disney princess films to spoof them. Making a completely animated film with those kind of characters would be totally pointless and redundant.

[Dottie]

What about using the same characters in a completely different story?

Well, don't worry.... Enchanted II is apparently already in the works.... If it happens, I would assume that someone from the real world (maybe the guy she meets) is sent to her "enchanting" animated land....

Geez!! When are they going to learn?

[Kyle]

What about using the same characters in a completely different story?

Why? They were created for this film. And, they are obviously designed to resemble all of the clichés in classic Disney princess films to spoof them. Making a completely animated film with those kind of characters would be totally pointless and redundant.

yeah, making a movie with these characters would mean they would become the very thing they were trying to parody in the first place.

[Hogi Bear]

Well, the trailer is back online, so here are the links (Right click and "save ... As"):

http://progressive.totaleclips.com.edge ... 39_b2t.mov (Small - 12.7 MB)
http://progressive.totaleclips.com.edge ... 39_b2u.mov (Medium - 20.3 MB)
http://progressive.totaleclips.com.edge ... 39_b2v.mov (Large - 43.1 MB)

http://progressive.totaleclips.com.edge ... 39_b2d.mov (480p - 81.8 MB)
http://progressive.totaleclips.com.edge ... 39_b2e.mov (720p - 150.1 MB)
http://progressive.totaleclips.com.edge ... 39_b2f.mov (1080p - 198.3 MB)

Enjoy!

It looks good. I'm not sure if anybody has thought of this, but it's basically the opposite to movies like Mary Poppins and Bedknobs and broomsticks, with how the characters are involved with the animated and live environments.

[Ariel'sprince]

But, the Classics clips still bother me. Looking at them again, they seem quite guy orintated (sp?). I know they are not specifically 'guy' movies, but i would not associate the clips they showed with a Princess film. And the one Princess clip they did show wasnt romantic etc. I really do wonder why they chose the clips they did.

i disagree about the clips that were chosans (and by the atlanticaunderthesea-why do call those films "guy films"? it's nonsense to call them that way)-the whole thing was about animation-disney trying to make something new and they returned to the clasic animation so they put tarzan,beauty and the beast or toy story,if they were putting clips from snow white,cinderella and sleeping beauty (and not the little mermaid,Ariel is recently consider a clasic princess and she isn't,this franchise began to take over disney and make people less love disney) it was the "oh,look,a new princess which means-new dolls,video games,book and more" so enchanted is a litle different.

[blackcauldron85]

I watched the trailer a few days ago online, but...

it was not shown last night when I saw POTC:AWE!!!

Half my excitement went to seeing POTC:AWE, and the other half was reserved for seeing the "Enchanted" trailer on the big screen and hearing people's reactions. And they didn't show it...I just don't get it.

[akhenaten]

at the theaters i went they didnt show enchanted trailer either. but they showed ratatouille's and the whole cinema went dead SILENT! everyone was so absorbed. such a beautiful moment. not even a laughter, groan, sigh or conversation. it was one of the most amazing moments in my cinemagoing life.