Your thoughts on.... Cinderella: PE

[clfpan]

I just saw it too, last night. I hadn't seen it in YEARS! I had forgotten that Cinderella is a strong character, that even though she is nice and all, she still is not as "nice" as Snow white, like when the stepmother gets the invitation and the stepsisters dont want Cindy to go, and she stands up for herself and tells them that she is still a part of the family, or the part when they're getting ready to go to the ball and the Stepmother tells her, YOU"RE NOT READY?, and wants to keep telling her junk she simply says "im not going" and walks away. I thought that was really kool, i mean she is Nice but not stupid like other Heroines.

[dvdjunkie]

Yendor, I think that you are 'nitpicking' a cartoon. I don't understand what the big deal is. It is only a movie, and an animated one at that!! If this was a live action Academy Award contender, then I could see your justification for this drivvel. Movies aren't meant to be watched frame-by-frame, and if that is how you get your kicks, I can just imagine what other movies get the frame-by-frame treatment.

This is animation, and it is not supposed to be picked apart frame-by-frame. It is an animated story with animals and people who can do incredible and sometimes impossible things. I think that you need to lighten up and leave the nitpicking to live action features and not to animated ones. It reminds me of those people who try to read nasty things into Disney movies that aren't there. Please don't be one of those people, I beg you.

[yendor]

Gee, DVDJunkie, I wonder if you really know what the word "drivel" means, since you obviously don't know how to even spell it correctly.

And studying a film sequence frame by frame is hardly an example of somebody getting their "kicks," as you so eloquently put it. Given such logic (which is just plain nuts, by the way), film historians and critics would never have dissected the shower sequence in Hitchcock's "Psycho." Or do you consider that, uh, "drivvel," too? Get real. The only nit(wit) that needs picking is you.

One of the beauties of films on dvd is the option to slow down action, watch frame by frame, and even zoom in. As someone who's always been curious as to how the animators accomplished the very cool transformations in Cinderella, why should I go on wondering when I have the technology at my fingertips to quell that curiosity? Your reasoning is about as twisted as your spelling.

And thanks for the cinema lesson about animation. For your info, classic animation is/was animated "frame by frame." Sorry to burst your bubble.

Rod

[Disney Duster]

Yendor, watching some parts of the movie frame by frame is exactly one of the reasons why I'm so happy Cinderella is finally on DVD! I really love those transformations, they're my most favorite parts! It has been known that Walt Disney paid special attention to the Fairy Godmother "Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo" scenes, and he even said that the scene where Cinderella gets her gown is his favorite scene in all the animation ever done at his studio! It's my ultimate favorite scene, too. I haven't watched the DVD yet, but will very soon and can't wait to go frame by frame with some parts!

Of course, I'm worried that the restoration of the scene made the sparkling stars look wierd, so I'll have to see...

I'm glad that someone here besides me seems to think the transformations in the movie are especially cool, yendor, and also likes looking at scenes like that frame by frame.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

It is only a movie, and an animated one at that!!

Junkie, please stop telling us that attention to detail is such a bad thing. Not all, but quite some people here care a lot about the art of animation - and for some that might involve a lot of details. That you don't care about that aspect is quite all right, of course, but it still doesn't mean that it's insignificant.

[MinnieMe]

(6) There are at least three mistakes in Cinderella. The first has to do with Cindy's "old" dress. When she first puts it on the dress form, it has no collar. Later, when the mice are working on it, we can clearly see that they're removing a small white collar. The second again has to do with the dress. When the birds bring up the bow to Cindy's dress and later trim it with scissors, how the heck is the bow staying up? We don't see anybody sewing it--apparently, it merely sticks to the neckline by sheer force! The third involves the fairy godmother. Watch the scene where she treansforms the pumpkin to the coach: at the end of the sequence, we can see her off to the left, with her wand still raised. Immediately, the scene cuts to a medium shot of her, and she's suddenly holding the wand in the palm of her other hand!

Yendor, I definitely noticed the first two mistakes you mentioned. I remember they even bothered me as a little kid watching it on VHS!


And I'm also starting to get tired of dvdjunkie's constant negativity. It especially bothered me that he likened the poster to one that finds inappropriate and "nasty" things in movies. I didn't find anything wrong with Yendor's post.

[brownie]

While I was watching my Cinderella dvd, I paused it to get my dinner. When I came back to the living room, I noticed that Cinderella had no eyebrows! So I pressed the pause button once and it skipped to the very next frame where her eyebrows magically appeared.

[catNC]

I am still IMPATIENTLY waiting on my copy to get to me. I ordered the gift set from Amazon, as the walmart price was over $10 more... I couldn't justify the price difference...

Still waiting, while I sit twiddling my thumbs, green with envy over those of you who have it already...

[Aqua]

However, I've noticed something rather odd on the scene were the clock hits midnight and Cinderella has to leave. Watching the VHS, the chime is rather loud, however, in the DVD, it's almost silent. Maybe I'm seeing things too, but I never recalled the Cinderella's stepmother starting the song for her two daughters when they're ''practicing'' their singing lessons as well.



Again, I'm not too sure, so I may have to re-watch both the VHS and DVD again.

[Escapay]

It is only a movie, and an animated one at that!!

Junkie, please stop telling us that attention to detail is such a bad thing. Not all, but quite some people here care a lot about the art of animation - and for some that might involve a lot of details. That you don't care about that aspect is quite all right, of course, but it still doesn't mean that it's insignificant.

And I'm also starting to get tired of dvdjunkie's constant negativity. It especially bothered me that he likened the poster to one that finds inappropriate and "nasty" things in movies. I didn't find anything wrong with Yendor's post.

Guys, you gotta realize something I did a long time ago:

From dvdjunkie's point of view, if he finds something insignificant or not worthy of his praise and respect, he expects everyone else to agree with him. He feels his opinion is not just the right one, but the only one. I've learned that I can't change that about him, but I can change my attitude towards it which is simply to ignore it. Let him keep his opinion that "nitpicking" is unnecessary. Let him keep his opinion that age matters when it comes to truly appreciating a movie. Let him keep his opinion that Disney DTVs aren't worth watching just because they're not theatre-worthy. Just because you vocally disagree with him on the boards won't change his mind about these opinions. So it's best just to lay off of him, because nothing anyone will say could sway the opinions.



Escapay

[Disney Princess Ariellen]

I just saw it too, last night. I hadn't seen it in YEARS! I had forgotten that Cinderella is a strong character, that even though she is nice and all, she still is not as "nice" as Snow white, like when the stepmother gets the invitation and the stepsisters dont want Cindy to go, and she stands up for herself and tells them that she is still a part of the family, or the part when they're getting ready to go to the ball and the Stepmother tells her, YOU"RE NOT READY?, and wants to keep telling her junk she simply says "im not going" and walks away. I thought that was really kool, i mean she is Nice but not stupid like other Heroines.

One of my favourite Cinderella quotes is "Maybe I should interrupt the, um...'music lesson.'" I love her character; she is so very strong. People give her slack for putting up with all that she does, but you know what, she has no where else to go if she doesn't continue to slave away for her stepmother. In the opening narration, it says that Cinderella was ABUSED (they aren't afraid to use a word so strong; it's clear that this is the case, but they actually admit it!), and yet she retains hope and obviously doesn't consider herself to be less of a PERSON just because others treat her badly. That is incredible strength, to me.

[Disney Princess Ariellen]

Maybe I'm seeing things too, but I never recalled the Cinderella's stepmother starting the song for her two daughters when they're ''practicing'' their singing lessons as well.



Again, I'm not too sure, so I may have to re-watch both the VHS and DVD again.

I do know that the little 'The Pear Shaped Two' intro during the music lesson IS on the VHS. I remember not really getting what they were saying there until I was quite a bit older than I was the first time I saw Cinderella.

And can I gush about how GORGEOUS the restoration looks, and as an owner of the 1987 VHS release of Cinderella and no other form until now, how grateful I am for that?! To give you an idea of how exciting I find this...I was 2 in 1987 and when I got that VHS, I watched it just about every day for I don't know HOW long and acted out being Cinderella just about every time. So it's a VHS...an old one...and a VERY well loved one. It will always have a special place in my heart, but it's nice to have the movie on a format that isn't likely to give out at any moment like my old tape is. (This was why I was more eager to own Cinderella on DVD for just having the movie in a durable format than any movie since, well...since Aladdin came out last year. I actually HAD already worn out an Aladdin VHS...it plays, but it has all these green lines on the screen and makes terrible noises when you rewind it...and had had to buy a new copy on eBay several years ago. My friends say they'll officially be afraid of me if I wear out the Aladdin DVD. )

[yendor]

I actually think the stepmother says "the pear-shaped tones" to the stepsisters before they sing. "Pear-shaped tones" basically means that they should pronounce their words correctly. And how do I know this? From the special edition of "Singing in the Rain!" There's an absolutely hilarious scene where Lina LaMonte (a dead-on "blonde bimbo") is being told by her vocal coach to use "pear shaped tones" when she speaks.

Anyway, I wanted to mention the facial expressions in the new Cinderella DVD. Thanks to slo-motion and "frame by frame" (yes, I know DVDJunkie hates that), we can now see all of the facial expressions that usually go by in a blink. Watch Cindy's face when she's telling the prince "Oh, I must go--I haven't met the Prince, yet." They're very, very real! And also, watch the scene where the coach has reverted back to a pumpkin. As they scramble to safety, the horse goes through so many thrashings and kickings that it's really amazing to realize all of these were hand-drawn. As for the transformations, the gown sequence is truly breath-taking. I can see why Walt thought it was the finest piece of animation ever--it's always brought a chill to my spine.

And I must agree that I've always thought the ending was a tad too quick. What happened to the evil stepmother and stepsisters? I seem to recall one version of Cinderella where she took them into the castle to live with her. That would certainly be in keeping with her forgiving personality. Any speculation as to what happened?

In closing, I want to mention Ilene Woods as Cinderella. I love her speaking voice--but the singing! Oh, my stars, she's incredible. And so is Mike Douglas as the Prince! My favorite song in Cinderella is "Sing, Sweet Nightingale," which is done so beautifully by Ms. Woods, complete with double and triple tracks. As a kid, I had the Golden books record of Cinderella and worse it out on my turntable! I still can't get enough of Ilene's great voice!

Rod

[Lucylover1986]

I actually think the stepmother says "the pear-shaped tones" to the stepsisters before they sing.

Yep, just turn on the closed captioning and presto! See exactly what they say!

[Psycon]

I only had time to take a quick look at last night.

I was surprised to see that the R2 version doesn't have the trailers for The Little Mermaid, Cinderella III or Cars.
I also couldn't find the Making Of for the video by Disney Channel of Friends.

Any other R2 owners here who noticed that?

There was a pleasant surprise though. Here in South Africa the Cinderella DVD came with a coupon for a Cinderella storybook. You simply send the coupon in along with $1.50 and they send you the book.
This is a first for South Africa, seeing as we've never gotten collector's gift sets, plush toys, or discount coupons with our Disney DVD's.

I scanned the insert with the "Free Storybook" offer. Here goes -

[2099net]

I was surprised to see that the R2 version doesn't have the trailers for The Little Mermaid, Cinderella III or Cars.
I also couldn't find the Making Of for the video by Disney Channel of Friends.

Any other R2 owners here who noticed that?

Our UK R2 release isn't out yet, but I can't say I'm surprised. The Lion King was missing the video Making Of in R2 (can't say it bothered me, being as I knew about 5% of the 'stars') and R2 normally has fewer and different sneak peeks.

When it comes down to it, all that's missing is some of the promotional advertising. Hardly a great loss. "They're adverts people!"

[Psycon]

Last night was the first time I've ever watched Cinderella. And I really enjoyed it.

I was wondering though - do any of you guys think that Jac and Gus
could've been the inspiration behind Chip and Dale?

I don't know why - maybe it's just the voices and their hilarious antics. But they reminded me of Chip and Dale.

[Psycon]

I was surprised to see that the R2 version doesn't have the trailers for The Little Mermaid, Cinderella III or Cars.
I also couldn't find the Making Of for the video by Disney Channel of Friends.

Any other R2 owners here who noticed that?

Our UK R2 release isn't out yet, but I can't say I'm surprised. The Lion King was missing the video Making Of in R2 (can't say it bothered me, being as I knew about 5% of the 'stars') and R2 normally has fewer and different sneak peeks.

When it comes down to it, all that's missing is some of the promotional advertising. Hardly a great loss. "They're adverts people!"

We did get a sneak peek not meantioned on R1 though - Space Mountain : Mission 2. I'm not that familiar with the Space Mountain ride, so it didn't mean all too much for me.

I would've like the promotional advertising though - I always like browsing through the posters and stuff.

[Barty]

A few higher-res screenshots (of the r2 pal edition) can be seen on http://www.dvd.nl/reviews.php?reviewid=2141 by clicking on the smaller shots.

[Luke]

I was wondering though - do any of you guys think that Jac and Gus
could've been the inspiration behind Chip and Dale?

Perhaps the other way around. Chip and Dale first appeared in <i>Private Pluto</i> (1943) and returned several times when <i>Cinderella</i> would have been in various stages of production. One can draw parallels, but I don't know how much the two pairs have in common.