Frozen: Part V

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tomakpo wrote:How different is the beginning Cantus from the Eatnemen Vuelie we heard?


It's exactly the same, at least the portion they used over the opening credits (which shows the formation of individual snowflakes, one of which then floats into the 'o' in 'Frozen.') It plays again towards the end of the movie. I know they said they were changing it somehow? But if they did, beyond not actually using the entire track, it was too subtle for me to notice.
Candy-Bonita95 wrote:I have been hearing pleasant things about Frozen so far. The music sounds fantastic, and the voice acting is amazing. The composition of the visuals is also similar to the hand-drawn Disney films.(It has the appropriate angles. Not exaggerated and obnoxious. The characters move nicely too.) I will definitely see Frozen on the opening night.

But there is one thing that I am disappointed about. (Some of you can guess what it is.) :It's Hans sudden persona change. I don't mind Hans being the villain. It's just how he functions as a villain. What is the point of him being evil? Couldn't stopping the eternal winter be his goal rather than taking over the kingdom?

To help, I will ask phan258 some questions.

Why is Hans evil? Should I just wait and see the movie?


I'm not sure I could tell you for sure WHY he's evil, just that he does evil things, and that I find it makes him an extremely interesting villain. You could argue he does it all for power, which is how he briefly explains himself in the movie. I like villain characters though, so to me it's more fun to think about why he'd be willing to essentially throw away future opportunities with other royal women and even Anna herself, who still believed he was at least a good man, if maybe no longer the right one for her (seeing as at this point she's starting to have feelings for Kristoff.) I guess you could say he's evil because he let his desire for power/money/status overrule all else, even common sense, which would say not to tell your fiancee your evil plot without making sure she's really truly dead first, lol.
RyGuy wrote:Thanks, phan258! First your stellar reporting about Tangled a few years back and now this. You rock.


Hey, it's no trouble. Thanks. :)
Musical Master wrote:Thank you so much phan258 for answering my questions. :D

Oh and the moments I was talking about was these:

When Elsa builds the ice palace in Let it Go.

When Anna turns into an ice statue.

The climax scene where Elsa and Hans are in the blizzard.

Do You Want to Build a Snowman and parents deaths.

And finally: The moment when Anna and Elsa skate in the very ending of the film.

Those were the moments I wanted to know, but once again, I thank you so much for answering my questions. :)


Ah, these were audience reactions we're discussing? I know during LiG there was a lot of chatter from the little kids. I think the song and grand visuals got them pretty excited, haha. Anna's "death": everyone was very quiet waiting to see what would happen. Blizzard same thing, as we all knew Hans was bad at that time and wanted to see what he would do...the beginning of DYWBAS had lots of laughs, cute and funny...parents deaths were sad but expected, I think. I know I felt emotional at that time, watching the sisters cry. The ending was very cute/sweet and the overall mood was happy, with lots of applause.

Personally I think it's poor form to admit you didn't bother to finish watching a movie then go ahead and bash it anyway, but whatever :roll:

I also will never agree with Gothel loving Rapunzel. She didn't. She used and emotionally abused her for basically her entire life up until the movie starts. Rapunzel is a thing to Gothel, nothing more.

I do agree that if you like Broadway you'll be much more likely to enjoy Frozen. Most of the singing is done in 'real time,' if you will, rather than voice over.
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Does the Vuelie play during the Disney castle?
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Thank you again phan258.

I'm glad you agree about how you should still stay for atleast the whole thing to give a fair opinion on a movie. But hey, an opinion is still an opinion.

To me what makes Gothel a weaker villian compared to the past is that she didn't even TRY to give Rapunzel any sort of motherly love/concern for her, instead treating her like an object which isn't a very strong thing to do as a bad guy. If Gothel atleast gave Rapunzel that sort of comfort, then she would not only be a more sociopathic villian but one who had a more distrubing edge to her. But hey you can disagree with me on this but that's how I feel about her. But as she is now, she's still a better villain than say, the villians of the past decade.
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He has now posted an elaboration. Of sorts. To my mind, it's more opaque than it needed to be:

http://www.michaelspornanimation.com/splog/?p=12628

These strike me as the most lucid passages, but it would be fair to read them in context:
I apologize. I ‘m gettting older and animation has turned from its simple little roots of magic. Frm those simple glories wehre the one blowahard driving the car can cause such dificulties. But the response couldn’t have been – not for Mickey Donald Goofy or the nephews – it couldn’t have been to react with an automatic aid button from the very unwacky world of 3D computer animation. That’s not even “Deus Ex Machina” that’s “cartoonist ex machina”. (Aid from above, anyone.)

And what about FROZEN? Everything seem to have some kind of magical spell to save the day.

Does anyone get the point? There can be no danger if it all just happens then comes undone. You see, Everything has to have rules . . . everything, or there is no danger. And then what’s the point?
There may be a point here (and bearing in mind that he didn't stay till the end, whereas in fact the conclusion itself strikes me as not quite my favorite deux ex machina). I wouldn't dare to guess what scenes he has in mind -- the trolls curing Anna? The too-easy escape from the wolves? The injury-free fall from the cliff? Just guesses, but I might see where someone could be frustrated there. As someone else mentioned earlier, the wolf battle in BatB did seem to have more genuine threat.

I still wish he'd elaborate more and be more specific, though I suppose he won't.
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Does he usually ramble incoherently like this? Seriously, half of his words aren't even words ???
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So, that guy hated it because everything had magic spells in it? :glare:
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Best Animated Feature (Director: Chris Buck & Jennifer Lee; Producer: Peter Del Vecho)
Best Director (Chris Buck & Jennifer Lee)
Best Original Screenplay (Screenplay: Jennifer Lee; Story: Chris Buck, Jennifer Lee & Shane Morris)
Best Film Editing (Jeff Draheim)
Best Production Design (Art Director: Michael Giaimo)
Best Cinematography (Director of Cinematography, Layout: Scott Beattie; Director of Cinematography, Lighting: Mohit Kallianpur)
Best Visual Effects (Visual Effects Supervisor: Steve Goldberg; Effects Supervisors: Dale Mayeda & Marlon West)
Best Sound Editing (Supervising Sound Editor/Sound Designer: Odin Benitez)
Best Sound Mixing (Re-Recording Mixers: David E. Fluhr & Gabriel Guy, Original Dialogue Mixer: Gabriel Guy)
Best Original Song (‘Let It Go’ Music and Lyrics by: Kristen Anderson-Lopez & Robert Lopez)
Best Original Score (Christophe Beck)

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Wouldn't Best Score be ineligible since it's a musical? :(
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disneyprincess11 wrote:http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-stu ... ion-66632/
Best Animated Feature (Director: Chris Buck & Jennifer Lee; Producer: Peter Del Vecho)
Best Director (Chris Buck & Jennifer Lee)
Best Original Screenplay (Screenplay: Jennifer Lee; Story: Chris Buck, Jennifer Lee & Shane Morris)
Best Film Editing (Jeff Draheim)
Best Production Design (Art Director: Michael Giaimo)
Best Cinematography (Director of Cinematography, Layout: Scott Beattie; Director of Cinematography, Lighting: Mohit Kallianpur)
Best Visual Effects (Visual Effects Supervisor: Steve Goldberg; Effects Supervisors: Dale Mayeda & Marlon West)
Best Sound Editing (Supervising Sound Editor/Sound Designer: Odin Benitez)
Best Sound Mixing (Re-Recording Mixers: David E. Fluhr & Gabriel Guy, Original Dialogue Mixer: Gabriel Guy)
Best Original Song (‘Let It Go’ Music and Lyrics by: Kristen Anderson-Lopez & Robert Lopez)
Best Original Score (Christophe Beck)

Read more: Disney's Dream Award Categories for 'Saving Mr. Banks,' 'Frozen,' 'Monsters University' - Disney News by StitchKingdom.com
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Wouldn't Best Score be ineligible since it's a musical? :(
I don't think it would be ineligible because the original score is just that.
disneyprincess11 wrote:So, that guy hated it because everything had magic spells in it? :glare:
My reaction reading that:

:what: :scratch: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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SWillie! wrote:Does he usually ramble incoherently like this? Seriously, half of his words aren't even words ???
It took a little effort to even vaguely comprehend what he was getting at. I still feel like I'm just guessing as to what his beef is.

If he wants his critique to be more convincing and not come off as possibly simply a case of his being in the tank for Miyazaki, a little more specificity and lucidity would have been nice.
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Tbh the thing i'm looking forward to from this film is the music. :lol: Sure, some snippets ain't much, and i'm sure a few stinker songs will pop up here and there, but I'm kinda liking Let It Go and Love is an Open Door. I've only heard the snippet of Love once and the melody stuck with me (something rare with new disney songs for me nowadays :D )

Anybody knows when will the whole soundtrack be available?
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Wait so "Let It Go" is the only song Disney is campaigning for in the Best Original Song category? See how well received the other songs are, I would think Disney would try to be campaigning a second song to get nominated.
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Musical Master wrote:
disneyprincess11 wrote:Wouldn't Best Score be ineligible since it's a musical? :(
I don't think it would be ineligible because the original score is just that.
That’s because of this rule:
Scores diluted by the use of tracked themes or other preexisting music, diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs, or assembled from the music of more than one composer shall not be eligible.
http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawa ... ule15.html

Disney always try anyway because the rule can have different interpretations.
Also, it seems that there is a new award category: best musical, but it will be given only in a year with “sufficient quantity and quality” of musical films. And I don’t think that’s the case this year.
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D82 wrote:
Musical Master wrote: I don't think it would be ineligible because the original score is just that.
That’s because of this rule:
Scores diluted by the use of tracked themes or other preexisting music, diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs, or assembled from the music of more than one composer shall not be eligible.
http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawa ... ule15.html

Disney always try anyway because the rule can have different interpretations.
Also, it seems that there is a new award category: best musical, but it will be given only in a year with “sufficient quantity and quality” of musical films. And I don’t think that’s the case this year.
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:scratch: When in the past 40+ years has Hollywood had a sufficient amount of musicals released in one year? It seems to always be a gamble whether they'll have enough animated movies to nominate more than three. I seriously can't remember the last time we got more than three of four musicals, be they live action or animated.
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DancingCrab wrote::scratch: When in the past 40+ years has Hollywood had a sufficient amount of musicals released in one year? It seems to always be a gamble whether they'll have enough animated movies to nominate more than three. I seriously can't remember the last time we got more than three of four musicals, be they live action or animated.
Maybe the success of Les Mis is an incentive for companies to produce musicals.
I know that Into the woods is coming out, add a disney musical every now and then. Arn't they also trying to make a Wicked movie? Honestly, I don't think it will catch on. There is a big difference in watching a musical as a movie and on broadway. On broadway you learn to appreciate it more since it is live and the production is more restrained than the movie. I personally was very dissapointed in Les Mis, because I thought it was an opera more than a musical. It is exhausting for me to watch the movie. I also didn't like how fake the movie looked. It didn't look like it took place on Earth. It looked like a video game. lol.

My question is, are movies like Pitch Perfect considered Musicals? I feel like If this award catagory does catch on, they should define a line between what counts as a musical and what doesn't..
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DancingCrab wrote:When in the past 40+ years has Hollywood had a sufficient amount of musicals released in one year?
In 2004 but even then the Academy opted not to revive the category. Read more about the whole debacle here.
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Anybody knows when will the whole soundtrack be available?
On November 25th. I'll be ordering this special 2 disc Deluxe edition. Here's the link on Amazon. Also if you order from this link, you'll be giving a little chunk of change to help this website out.

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disneyboy20022 wrote:
thedisneyspirit wrote:T

Anybody knows when will the whole soundtrack be available?
On November 25th. I'll be ordering this special 2 disc Deluxe edition. Here's the link on Amazon. Also if you order from this link, you'll be giving a little chunk of change to help this website out.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... eimprovemz
I was going to order it through Amazon, but I couldn't wait till noon to have the soundtrack in my hands. :D Guess whose going to Walmart at midnight to get the soundtrack!
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On a seperate note..

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I want it to be in the Frozen forum :D
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frankf3 wrote:Wait so "Let It Go" is the only song Disney is campaigning for in the Best Original Song category? See how well received the other songs are, I would think Disney would try to be campaigning a second song to get nominated.
They did the same thing with Tangled, with them only submitting I See the Light. I think the train of thought is that Enchanted and The Princess and the Frog lost in the Original Song category, because the multiple nominated songs cancelled each other out (though I think Once and Crazy Heart were always the front-runners in those years, anyway).

As for Best Original Score, it's possible this year could be different seeing as unlike The Princess and the Frog and Tangled, the songwriter and score composer are two different people. Though it will be interesting to see how Beck's score connects with Lopez's melodies.
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