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I guess I just don’t care if they’re making sequels or original films. Does it really make a difference if you’re getting a 3D buddy roadtrip with new characters or already-made characters? Disney isn’t really “Disney” anymore anyway; there isn’t any difference between PIXAR and Disney anymore, to their detriment. If one is making an original film and the other is making a sequel, so what, who cares? At least I (miraculously) liked Frozen and—to a lesser extent—Zootopia. I'd rather see more of them, tbh.
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Don't ask me for details because I have my source's trust. But to those who are worried about sequels being announced for WDAS at the Expo, all I can say is that all of you will be pleasantly surprised. :)
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^Thanks for telling us, disneyprincess11! That's very encouraging.
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disneyprincess11 wrote:Don't ask me for details because I have my source's trust. But to those who are worried about sequels being announced for WDAS at the Expo, all I can say is that all of you will be pleasantly surprised. :)
That's good news to hear! Very encouraging :clap:
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They should've insisted on keeping the Spanish setting, even if they ditched the whole story, and adapt another one...Plus please throw in the garbage any "critique" about the Spanish setting. The last thing we need is preachy Yankees telling Spaniards their culture is "problematic" and unwoke. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: That "echoing but critically commenting on the pioneer flavor of the old cartoons" can go either way and knowing how Disney goes with messages...
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If something new is coming, I hope Disney will start branching out from their typical CGI fare and opt for something more visually interesting like the technology used in Paperman or Into the Spiderverse.
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thedisneyspirit, where did they say/imply they removed the Spain setting and Spanish themes from the last versions? :scratch:
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Here is what i want. No more Sequels after Frozen 2.

More Disney movies that adapt Classic stories.

At least every other one should be a musical if the songs are good people won't get tired of it.

Stories set in different times and places like victorian England , the aancient egypt, the Roman era or the Elizabethan era.

And No more twist billian ! Please Disney.

I want more movies like they made in the 90s where they take classic stories/legends/myths and works of literature and added musical numbers and magical elements.

Don Bluth's Thumbelina ( which i consider the most underated animated movie ever !) and Anastasia are more what i want from Disney.

I think Bolt is a really low point it's the kind of contemporary talking animal comdey a studio liike Dreamworks would make not Disney.

I think Disney should look at what classic stories have potential for a Disney musical or what Folklore or mythology
would be good in Disney animation.

Maybe something about elves/Fairies. But more the tolkien/ A midsummer night's dream kind and not tiny animal like ones or a movie about the roman deities.

I like the Dragon idea. But i would only be down with the movie if the dragon spoke and acted likea human like Smaug in The Hobbit and not those things ! in How To Train Your Dragon.

By the way Smaug is my favorite Dragon from any work of fiction.
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disneyprincess11 wrote:thedisneyspirit, where did they say/imply they removed the Spain setting and Spanish themes from the last versions? :scratch:
They never did. AFAIK, the Spanish setting was going along with the project until it was cancelled.

I'm just saying it's too good a setting to let go, honestly, and they should've tried to keep the setting but apply another story if the Gigantic story wasn't working.
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arent they working on a Hispanic princess movie with Lin Manuel Miranda? maybe they will set it in Spain?
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Last I heard it was a latina princess. Latin America =/= Spain.

Even if Spain does have actual monarchy unlike Latin America, latinos will be so pissed if Disney attempts to make a Spanish princess and tries to sell her as "latina". "How dare you give us the princess of the conquistadores". Even Miranda might throw a tantrum. :D
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^so then we'll get another made up magical kingdom like Elena of Avalor? I was kinda hoping it would be Spain b/c at least they can stick to one culture. I dont want another Latina princess whose culture is a mix of Latin cultures. That was fine for Elena but I dont want the same thing again. Maybe they will set it in pre-columbian times and she'll be daughter of an emperor?
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That would be more historically accurate and respectful of the cultures than some forced in monarchy, true, but Disney marketing team only cares about dolls and sales, and according to them, the princesses that sell the most dolls are the ones with froufrou dresses and big shiny castles, which means in their own terms that the "ethnic" princesses don't sell as much. Which is bs, but there you have it. So they'd prefer making another Elena fiasco than something genuine and respectful, all for the sake of a doll selling more. :roll:

I don't really think most latinos would be against a Spanish princess presented as such. The only ones who'd bitch about it are SJWs who hate seeing Europeans as white and the extremist anti-Spain folks who wish to kick the Spanish descendants out of the country, but these people are seen as even bigger morons amongst latin societies. :D But, like, try to sell her as being "latina", then yeah, people won't be fooled.
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It would be nice to see Disney represent Mayan or Aztec culture considering how they bastardized the Incas in The Emperor's New Groove, but like thedisneyspirit said, Disney's recognized that ethnic princesses don't sell nearly as well. I really hope they don't go the Elena route though because the Taco Bell shtick might work for TV, but I'd prefer something authentic for the big screen. A princess from Spain would be nice but I can see the controversy behind that, especially after Sofia the First.
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Truuue, if they try the mix-up on a movie meant for International audiences, then actual latinos will rightly complain like Asians did with Mulan. I figure hispanic-americans wouldn't give a crap and would defend it, but actual latinos would be critical of seeing things like Incas eating tacos or the like. And it'd be hilarious since Disney would try hard to ignore that controversy and even Americans would be defending the Mouse for its inaccuracies. :D "But they all speak the same language then they must be the same"

Aaaah, and then it tanks at the Latin American box office...So sweet.
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Disney/Pixar managed to make Coco respectfully and this is after so many signs pointed towards that film turning off the entire Latin American market (between the white director and trying to copyright a cultural holiday), so I'd like to imagine that Disney would be capable of repeating that magic for any other Latin American country. But if this is a princess film, we know Disney tends to get a little antsy which leads to another Mulan, Elena, Moana situation where entire cultures are mashed together to create the most marketable one for a film.

I actually know many Mexican-Americans here in Texas who like to pretend they are from Spain as it makes them feel superior in front of the rest of the Hispanic community. I'm sure they wouldn't mind Spain being used as a location rather than a Latin American melting pot.
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JeanGreyForever wrote: But if this is a princess film, we know Disney tends to get a little antsy which leads to another Mulan, Elena, Moana situation where entire cultures are mashed together to create the most marketable one for a film.
DING DING DING DING DING

Disney is known to be lazy at times, so I wouldn't be surprised they go that route in order to get those damn dolls sold. it's not like their previous latin characters have been accurate (Honey Lemon, who honestly Imo was presented to be so white-ish it came as a genuine surprise to hear the directors go and claim she's latin. I also doubt the series has done something about it tbh. It's not like there can't be white latins, there are, but you know, give us a clue or something? A name, a comment? If you didn't tell people they'd assume she's just another Californian white girl.
 I actually know many Mexican-Americans here in Texas who like to pretend they are from Spain as it makes them feel superior in front of the rest of the Hispanic community. I'm sure they wouldn't mind Spain being used as a location rather than a Latin American melting pot.
That's...Kinda sad tbh. Every country has problems, but acting like you're above it won't improve it. Besides, that's really gonna fall in their faces once people ask them about genuine Spanish places and they don't have anything to answer with.
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JeanGreyForever wrote:But if this is a princess film, we know Disney tends to get a little antsy which leads to another Mulan, Elena, Moana situation where entire cultures are mashed together to create the most marketable one for a film.
Mulan? Did you mean Jasmine? Which cultures are mashed together in Mulan? Isn't it just Chinese? Are there other Asian cultures in the mix? Unless you mean the Americanisms in the film like slang or humor and the like.
JeanGreyForever wrote:I actually know many Mexican-Americans here in Texas who like to pretend they are from Spain as it makes them feel superior in front of the rest of the Hispanic community.
That's uncommon. Maybe they feel by claiming they're Spanish, people will be less prejudicial and biased towards them? Maybe it's a misguided way of them to distance themselves from Mexican stereotypes or shield themselves from potential racism?
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its true, my family and I are white Hispanics and the Cuban Americans(mostly older)relatives and friends I know are obsessed with Spain. But I would certainly never tell someone I'm from Spain...or Cuba for that matter since I was born in the US.
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thedisneyspirit wrote:DING DING DING DING DING

Disney is known to be lazy at times, so I wouldn't be surprised they go that route in order to get those damn dolls sold. it's not like their previous latin characters have been accurate (Honey Lemon, who honestly Imo was presented to be so white-ish it came as a genuine surprise to hear the directors go and claim she's latin. I also doubt the series has done something about it tbh. It's not like there can't be white latins, there are, but you know, give us a clue or something? A name, a comment? If you didn't tell people they'd assume she's just another Californian white girl.
Honestly, there'd be no indication of Honey Lemon's background if Disney hadn't mentioned it online and sparked a controversy from that. Characters like Honey Lemon and Sofia the First wouldn't be so problematic if Disney had other characters of Latin background that actually looked the part. Then Disney could claim to have a wide variety of Latin and Hispanic characters, since as you said, there actually are Hispanics who look white and are blonde and/or blue-eyed. But when Disney's only Hispanic characters happen to be the white passing ones, that's a problem. No wonder they quickly started work on Elena of Avalor to counteract these incidents.
thedisneyspirit wrote: That's...Kinda sad tbh. Every country has problems, but acting like you're above it won't improve it. Besides, that's really gonna fall in their faces once people ask them about genuine Spanish places and they don't have anything to answer with.
Sotiris wrote:That's uncommon. Maybe they feel by claiming they're Spanish, people will be less prejudicial and biased towards them? Maybe it's a misguided way of them to distance themselves from Mexican stereotypes or shield themselves from potential racism?
The ones I personally know actually like to lord their "Spanish" heritage over other Mexicans. They think it makes them superior and more cultured because they're European and not South/Latin American. :roll:
Sotiris wrote: Mulan? Did you mean Jasmine? Which cultures are mashed together in Mulan? Isn't it just Chinese? Are there other Asian cultures in the mix? Unless you mean the Americanisms in the film like slang or humor and the like.
No, I meant Mulan. I've heard lots of Japanese people claim that Mulan has Japanese influences. Those can still be explained because Mulan heavily drew from the Tang Dynasty and Japan adopted many cultural attributes from that era, however there's so much wrong with Mulan just from its portrayal of China. Obviously, China is a huge country and different parts will have regional differences but you'd never be able to tell that from the movie.

I've heard Chinese people say that Mulan is incredibly inaccurate and they pointed out an analogy of if China created a film on the United States where New York is full of cowboys riding horses and cacti are being used instead of fire hydrants. Or a film set in the Old South but instead of cotton being picked, it's grapes or rice.

Those are just cultural and regional inaccuracies which Disney failed to properly research, and that's not even getting into timeline issues. They basically took anything even remotely Chinese and compacted it all together in one movie, never thinking about how elements like the Forbidden City don't necessarily gel with the Huns (another very problematic and inaccurate portrayal) or fireworks and gunpowder. I read another Chinese person mentioning that it would be like creating a movie that throws together elements from Greco-Roman times, the Medieval Era, while being set in Victorian England.
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