Mickey Mouse (2013)

[TsWade2]

Saw Down the Hatch on HD early today. And it was hilarious! Here's what's this short is about, Mickey and Goofy get trapped inside Donald's body after they accidentally get shrunken down to miniature size. And not only Professor Ludwig Von Drake is the special guest of this short, guess who's also made a cameo appearance in this short? I'll give you hint. He's from Ducktales, but it's not Scrooge.

And yet there's still no word on it from Disney.com! This is strange, because don't they usually have them up on both TV and online at the same time?

It'll be on youtube tomorrow.

[TsWade2]

Here's the short: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dcqDCoJ6F8
Okay, so no one guess who's the other character that's in there, I'll announce it. It's Gyro Gearloose.

[Mickeyfan1990]

Okay, so no one guess who's the other character that's in there, I'll announce it. It's Gyro Gearloose.

I saw him too, I just didn't know his name.

[drnilescrane]

As somebody who was smack bang in the target age group when Mickey Mouse Works first ran on television, I can't help but be simultaneously enthralled and absolutely appalled with these shorts. We've seen a wide variety of different stories and situations and quite a number of the episodes have been fun if a bit hollow.

Honestly, I don't care about the style of the animation or the quality of production - that stuff has always been a bit hit or miss and left to the interpretation when it comes to television. (As somebody who did some study related to animation in college, it pissed me off that everybody was tripping over themselves to emulate UPA's style without attempting to lean a thing about American mid century aesthetics. It's how shows like this are getting made all over the place). Do I like Mickey looking like this? No, but it's not killing me.

What has really upset me is that the characters have been bastardized to the point they've been reduced to single line caricatures based on a goal to get back to a more impish Mickey Mouse. I can understand why you'd have that goal - working with the "corporate" Mickey Mouse you encounter at Disneyland may seem boring and unchallenging. But they Mickey, and Donald, and Goofy they've created are so extreme and out of their personalizes they feel inherently wrong. Say what you will about something like Quack Pack - but middle aged Donald was still Donald, not an obstinate jerk who purely exists to make everybody's lives miserable.

I think Mouse Works in later episodes (the first season's writing was very cut and dry) came up with a much better solution to the wooden Mickey problem - subtle parody (the type which was popular around 2000). Sure, Mickey was very much the typical nice suburban guy, always willing to help out a friend... or was he? In 'Hickory Dickory Mickey' we see a subversion of the Mouse character - sure, Mickey took Goofy to the Airport because he felt he had to, not because he wanted to... the nice guy image is just a facade that Mickey hides behind and underneath when he's just as irritable and selfish as everybody else. It's a parody of the suburban eMickey of the 40s/50s/60s. I think that's a more interesting and complex character than somebody who's just a troublemaker. On the flip side, Mickey Mouse Works had no idea what to do with Daisy and ruined that character after Quack Pack.

Anyway, it's Goofy that's really annoyed me this time around. Sure, It's unreasonable to ask for the layered character from A Goofy Movie, but this Goofy just is way too thick and angry as opposed to... goofy . I would have hoped that at some point somebody would have said anything. Those somebodies would be people like Roy Disney, Andreas Deja, Wayne Allwine...

[thedisneyspirit]

As somebody who was smack bang in the target age group when Mickey Mouse Works first ran on television, I can't help but be simultaneously enthralled and absolutely appalled with these shorts. We've seen a wide variety of different stories and situations and quite a number of the episodes have been fun if a bit hollow.

Honestly, I don't care about the style of the animation or the quality of production - that stuff has always been a bit hit or miss and left to the interpretation when it comes to television. (As somebody who did some study related to animation in college, it pissed me off that everybody was tripping over themselves to emulate UPA's style without attempting to lean a thing about American mid century aesthetics. It's how shows like this are getting made all over the place). Do I like Mickey looking like this? No, but it's not killing me.

What has really upset me is that the characters have been bastardized to the point they've been reduced to single line caricatures based on a goal to get back to a more impish Mickey Mouse. I can understand why you'd have that goal - working with the "corporate" Mickey Mouse you encounter at Disneyland may seem boring and unchallenging. But they Mickey, and Donald, and Goofy they've created are so extreme and out of their personalizes they feel inherently wrong. Say what you will about something like Quack Pack - but middle aged Donald was still Donald, not an obstinate jerk who purely exists to make everybody's lives miserable.

I think Mouse Works in later episodes (the first season's writing was very cut and dry) came up with a much better solution to the wooden Mickey problem - subtle parody (the type which was popular around 2000). Sure, Mickey was very much the typical nice suburban guy, always willing to help out a friend... or was he? In 'Hickory Dickory Mickey' we see a subversion of the Mouse character - sure, Mickey took Goofy to the Airport because he felt he had to, not because he wanted to... the nice guy image is just a facade that Mickey hides behind and underneath when he's just as irritable and selfish as everybody else. It's a parody of the suburban eMickey of the 40s/50s/60s. I think that's a more interesting and complex character than somebody who's just a troublemaker. On the flip side, Mickey Mouse Works had no idea what to do with Daisy and ruined that character after Quack Pack.

Anyway, it's Goofy that's really annoyed me this time around. Sure, It's unreasonable to ask for the layered character from A Goofy Movie, but this Goofy just is way too thick and angry as opposed to... goofy . I would have hoped that at some point somebody would have said anything. Those somebodies would be people like Roy Disney, Andreas Deja, Wayne Allwine...

Agree. The characters seem more like something out of Spongebob or Ren and Stimpy than actual Disney. Goofy in this show is a bad Patrick Star clone...

[Big Disney Fan]

Okay, so no one guess who's the other character that's in there, I'll announce it. It's Gyro Gearloose.

I saw him too, I just didn't know his name.

I recognized Gearloose right off the bat.

As somebody who was smack bang in the target age group when Mickey Mouse Works first ran on television, I can't help but be simultaneously enthralled and absolutely appalled with these shorts. We've seen a wide variety of different stories and situations and quite a number of the episodes have been fun if a bit hollow.

Honestly, I don't care about the style of the animation or the quality of production - that stuff has always been a bit hit or miss and left to the interpretation when it comes to television. (As somebody who did some study related to animation in college, it pissed me off that everybody was tripping over themselves to emulate UPA's style without attempting to lean a thing about American mid century aesthetics. It's how shows like this are getting made all over the place). Do I like Mickey looking like this? No, but it's not killing me.

What has really upset me is that the characters have been bastardized to the point they've been reduced to single line caricatures based on a goal to get back to a more impish Mickey Mouse. I can understand why you'd have that goal - working with the "corporate" Mickey Mouse you encounter at Disneyland may seem boring and unchallenging. But they Mickey, and Donald, and Goofy they've created are so extreme and out of their personalizes they feel inherently wrong. Say what you will about something like Quack Pack - but middle aged Donald was still Donald, not an obstinate jerk who purely exists to make everybody's lives miserable.

I think Mouse Works in later episodes (the first season's writing was very cut and dry) came up with a much better solution to the wooden Mickey problem - subtle parody (the type which was popular around 2000). Sure, Mickey was very much the typical nice suburban guy, always willing to help out a friend... or was he? In 'Hickory Dickory Mickey' we see a subversion of the Mouse character - sure, Mickey took Goofy to the Airport because he felt he had to, not because he wanted to... the nice guy image is just a facade that Mickey hides behind and underneath when he's just as irritable and selfish as everybody else. It's a parody of the suburban eMickey of the 40s/50s/60s. I think that's a more interesting and complex character than somebody who's just a troublemaker. On the flip side, Mickey Mouse Works had no idea what to do with Daisy and ruined that character after Quack Pack.

Anyway, it's Goofy that's really annoyed me this time around. Sure, It's unreasonable to ask for the layered character from A Goofy Movie, but this Goofy just is way too thick and angry as opposed to... goofy . I would have hoped that at some point somebody would have said anything. Those somebodies would be people like Roy Disney, Andreas Deja, Wayne Allwine...

Agree. The characters seem more like something out of Spongebob or Ren and Stimpy than actual Disney. Goofy in this show is a bad Patrick Star clone...

Well, I've pretty much accepted this show for what it is: an attempt to restore some of Mickey's pluck that seemed to have been abandoned so long ago and also an attempt to keep alive the non-kiddie-show Mickey we prefer (after Epic Mickey 2 apparently fell a bit flat). I'd rather watch this show (or Mouse Works) than Mickey Mouse Clubhouse any day. As for Goofy, if you want to see him really angry, watch Motor Mania or maybe those 1960s cartoons about how not to drive on the freeway.

[disneyphilip]

As somebody who was smack bang in the target age group when Mickey Mouse Works first ran on television, I can't help but be simultaneously enthralled and absolutely appalled with these shorts. We've seen a wide variety of different stories and situations and quite a number of the episodes have been fun if a bit hollow.

Honestly, I don't care about the style of the animation or the quality of production - that stuff has always been a bit hit or miss and left to the interpretation when it comes to television. (As somebody who did some study related to animation in college, it pissed me off that everybody was tripping over themselves to emulate UPA's style without attempting to lean a thing about American mid century aesthetics. It's how shows like this are getting made all over the place). Do I like Mickey looking like this? No, but it's not killing me.

What has really upset me is that the characters have been bastardized to the point they've been reduced to single line caricatures based on a goal to get back to a more impish Mickey Mouse. I can understand why you'd have that goal - working with the "corporate" Mickey Mouse you encounter at Disneyland may seem boring and unchallenging. But they Mickey, and Donald, and Goofy they've created are so extreme and out of their personalizes they feel inherently wrong. Say what you will about something like Quack Pack - but middle aged Donald was still Donald, not an obstinate jerk who purely exists to make everybody's lives miserable.

I think Mouse Works in later episodes (the first season's writing was very cut and dry) came up with a much better solution to the wooden Mickey problem - subtle parody (the type which was popular around 2000). Sure, Mickey was very much the typical nice suburban guy, always willing to help out a friend... or was he? In 'Hickory Dickory Mickey' we see a subversion of the Mouse character - sure, Mickey took Goofy to the Airport because he felt he had to, not because he wanted to... the nice guy image is just a facade that Mickey hides behind and underneath when he's just as irritable and selfish as everybody else. It's a parody of the suburban eMickey of the 40s/50s/60s. I think that's a more interesting and complex character than somebody who's just a troublemaker. On the flip side, Mickey Mouse Works had no idea what to do with Daisy and ruined that character after Quack Pack.

Anyway, it's Goofy that's really annoyed me this time around. Sure, It's unreasonable to ask for the layered character from A Goofy Movie, but this Goofy just is way too thick and angry as opposed to... goofy . I would have hoped that at some point somebody would have said anything. Those somebodies would be people like Roy Disney, Andreas Deja, Wayne Allwine...

(sigh) Where do I begin? You have no idea how wrong you really are.

[disneyphilip]

Agree. The characters seem more like something out of Spongebob or Ren and Stimpy than actual Disney. Goofy in this show is a bad Patrick Star clone...

You, too, are dead wrong and you know it. People like you need to drop the self-righteous know-it-all attitude.

[TsWade2]

Agree. The characters seem more like something out of Spongebob or Ren and Stimpy than actual Disney. Goofy in this show is a bad Patrick Star clone...

You, too, are dead wrong and you know it. People like you need to drop the self-righteous know-it-all attitude.

I agree! Mickey Mouse Works, House of Mouse, and Mickey Mouse Shorts are not bastardizing the character we know and love. That's bullpoop! The only DIsney show I know that's bastardizing Mickey and friends is Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. And those Mickey Mouse short are not meant to be like that disgusting show Ren & Stimpy or that stupid annoying Spongebob Squarepants. The creator of Ren & Stimpy bastardize Yogi Bear, not Mickey Mouse. I'm sorry to say this and I hope you all forgive me, but you guys are a bunch of hypocrites!

[disneyphilip]

As for Goofy, if you want to see him really angry, watch Motor Mania or maybe those 1960s cartoons about how not to drive on the freeway.

Exactly! It really disgusts me that people don't realize that Goofy has been portrayed as a grump MANY times in the past. Not just in those particular cartoons, but also in the majority of the everyman Goofy shorts of the 50's (ie: Fathers are People, Teachers are People, Father's Day Off, Father's Week End, Man's Best Friend, Hello Aloha, etc.) as well as in the sports-themed Goofy shorts of the 40's (ie: Hockey Homicide, How to Play Baseball, How to Play Football, Double Dribble, Tennis Racquet, etc.--where almost all of the Goofy look-alikes were depicted as aggressive jerks).

All that and the fact that he's just acting, because he and the other characters are Hollywood stars that can play many different kinds of roles. And Goofy has always been referred to as Disney's most versatile character, which they've also been attempting to revive in the new shorts (playing roles other than his "default" characterization, such as with his role in No Service, his cameo as a woman in New York Weenie and his portrayal as a zombie in Ghoul Friend). Heck, Goofy has even played antagonist roles quite a few times before, like in Ye Olden Days and Mickey's Christmas Carol, as well as in Motor Mania, Freewayphobia and Goofy's Freeway Troubles, all of which were obviously made LONG before No Service, etc.

Plus, the classic Disney shorts never really followed much of a continuity anyway and neither do these new shorts.

[FigmentJedi]

Love all the Adventure Thru Inner Space references.

[Big Disney Fan]

Exactly! It really disgusts me that people don't realize that Goofy has been portrayed as a grump MANY times in the past. Not just in those particular cartoons, but also in the majority of the everyman Goofy shorts of the 50's (ie: Fathers are People, Teachers are People, Father's Day Off, Father's Week End, Man's Best Friend, Hello Aloha, etc.) as well as in the sports-themed Goofy shorts of the 40's (ie: Hockey Homicide, How to Play Baseball, How to Play Football, Double Dribble, Tennis Racquet, etc.--where almost all of the Goofy look-alikes were depicted as aggressive jerks).

All that and the fact that he's just acting, because he and the other characters are Hollywood stars that can play many different kinds of roles. And Goofy has always been referred to as Disney's most versatile character, which they've also been attempting to revive in the new shorts (playing roles other than his "default" characterization, such as with his role in No Service, his cameo as a woman in New York Weenie and his portrayal as a zombie in Ghoul Friend). Heck, Goofy has even played antagonist roles quite a few times before, like in Ye Olden Days and Mickey's Christmas Carol, as well as in Motor Mania, Freewayphobia and Goofy's Freeway Troubles, all of which were obviously made LONG before No Service, etc.

Plus, the classic Disney shorts never really followed much of a continuity anyway and neither do these new shorts.

Well, then, what are you complaining about? You griped that the characters here, such as Goofy, are mere shells of their old selves and yet you also acknowledged that the depictions of the characters in this series is no different than in the classic shorts of old, at least as far as Goofy is concerned. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[disneyphilip]

Exactly! It really disgusts me that people don't realize that Goofy has been portrayed as a grump MANY times in the past. Not just in those particular cartoons, but also in the majority of the everyman Goofy shorts of the 50's (ie: Fathers are People, Teachers are People, Father's Day Off, Father's Week End, Man's Best Friend, Hello Aloha, etc.) as well as in the sports-themed Goofy shorts of the 40's (ie: Hockey Homicide, How to Play Baseball, How to Play Football, Double Dribble, Tennis Racquet, etc.--where almost all of the Goofy look-alikes were depicted as aggressive jerks).

All that and the fact that he's just acting, because he and the other characters are Hollywood stars that can play many different kinds of roles. And Goofy has always been referred to as Disney's most versatile character, which they've also been attempting to revive in the new shorts (playing roles other than his "default" characterization, such as with his role in No Service, his cameo as a woman in New York Weenie and his portrayal as a zombie in Ghoul Friend). Heck, Goofy has even played antagonist roles quite a few times before, like in Ye Olden Days and Mickey's Christmas Carol, as well as in Motor Mania, Freewayphobia and Goofy's Freeway Troubles, all of which were obviously made LONG before No Service, etc.

Plus, the classic Disney shorts never really followed much of a continuity anyway and neither do these new shorts.

Well, then, what are you complaining about? You griped that the characters here, such as Goofy, are mere shells of their old selves and yet you also acknowledged that the depictions of the characters in this series is no different than in the classic shorts of old, at least as far as Goofy is concerned. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Grrr! I NEVER said that the characters were mere shells of their former selves! Please stop putting words in my mouth!

[Big Disney Fan]

Grrr! I NEVER said that the characters were mere shells of their former selves! Please stop putting words in my mouth!

That was the impression I was getting when you compared this show to Mouse Works.

[disneyphilip]

Grrr! I NEVER said that the characters were mere shells of their former selves! Please stop putting words in my mouth!

That was the impression I was getting when you compared this show to Mouse Works.

That was never my intention. Besides, I do like Mouse Works and House of Mouse as well as the new shorts.

[Big Disney Fan]

I find it interesting that most wiki sites think that the black cat in the episode with the goldfish is actually Figaro. I'm inclined to disagree on the matter. The cat here is a tad bigger and a lot more scraggly-looking than Figaro, who is smaller, fluffier and cuter. Here are two shots for a comparison:




Besides, most official sources don't describe this cat at all as Figaro, but just as a cat. In the short itself, Mickey just refers to it as "CAT!!!"

[disneyphilip]

In the short itself, Mickey just refers to it as "CAT!!!"

That doesn't mean anything. Besides, Mickey would not know who that cat is because of the way the story was written.

And as I've said before, the Disney shorts don't have any continuity.

[Big Disney Fan]

In the short itself, Mickey just refers to it as "CAT!!!"

That doesn't mean anything. Besides, Mickey would not know who that cat is because of the way the story was written.

And as I've said before, the Disney shorts don't have any continuity.

Well, my point is, that cat just looks too big and scraggly to be Figaro.

[PatrickvD]

Wasn't Figaro Minnie's cat at some random point?

Either way, I see no resemblance.

[Big Disney Fan]

Wasn't Figaro Minnie's cat at some random point?

Either way, I see no resemblance.

Yes, he was. Although now, I like to think that Minnie looks after Figaro when Geppetto can't do so.

In any case, I agree, I don't understand how they think that that cat and Figaro are one and the same.