Not to take away from DDuster's opinion, but I personally would never say that Frollo has paternal feeling for Quasi so much as Quasi has feelings for Frollo, who's been his only human contact beyond the people in the cathedral. And I think the same of Gothel, who shows no real attachment to Rapunzel throughout the movie. It's something that both Quasi and Rapunzel are supposed to feel--a feeling that's been fostered by Gothel/Frollo, and a natural desire for relationships in Rapunzel/Quasi--but neither Frollo or Gothel ever return that affection.DisneyAnimation88 wrote:I know you said that you haven't seen the film for a while but do you remember that Frollo is so disgusted by the baby that he is about to drop it down a well before he is stopped by the archdeacon? I see what your saying but I think the reason Frollo is such a convincing and effective villain is that he is completely, entirely, unapologetically evil. He does say during the beginning that perhaps one day Quasimodo will prove useful and he does, leading Frollo to the gypsies. I think Quasimodo views Frollo as a guardian as he has always been told a lie that Frollo saved his life but I don't think Frollo is capable of having any kind of paternal feeling toward anyone, not just Quasimodo.DisneyDuster wrote:I didn’t think that Frollo was supposed to raise Quasimodo to make up for killing the mother, I thought he was supposed to do it because the baby was innocent and shouldn’t be killed, and needed protection, but I haven’t seen it in a while. I just don’t think Frollo could treat Quasimodo so much near a son, laying his arms on him, without some kind of feeling, and I don’t think Quasimodo could be raised by him without some kind of fond feeling. However, it’s nowhere near Rapunzel and Mother Gothel’s mother-daughter relationship, I know that.
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I disagree about Gothel. She may not have had a very affectionate personality, but why would she have gone 3 days away for paint for Rapunzel. Why would she make Rapunzel's favourite hazelnut soup for her birthday? I think she was a little attached to Rapunzel.Disney's Divinity wrote:Not to take away from DDuster's opinion, but I personally would never say that Frollo has paternal feeling for Quasi so much as Quasi has feelings for Frollo, who's been his only human contact beyond the people in the cathedral. And I think the same of Gothel, who shows no real attachment to Rapunzel throughout the movie. It's something that both Quasi and Rapunzel are supposed to feel--a feeling that's been fostered by Gothel/Frollo, and a natural desire for relationships in Rapunzel/Quasi--but neither Frollo or Gothel ever return that affection.DisneyAnimation88 wrote: I know you said that you haven't seen the film for a while but do you remember that Frollo is so disgusted by the baby that he is about to drop it down a well before he is stopped by the archdeacon? I see what your saying but I think the reason Frollo is such a convincing and effective villain is that he is completely, entirely, unapologetically evil. He does say during the beginning that perhaps one day Quasimodo will prove useful and he does, leading Frollo to the gypsies. I think Quasimodo views Frollo as a guardian as he has always been told a lie that Frollo saved his life but I don't think Frollo is capable of having any kind of paternal feeling toward anyone, not just Quasimodo.
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She did all of that because she didn`t want Rapunzel to rebel against her, and leave the tower. She needed to make sure that Rapunzel thought she cared about her.Linden wrote:I disagree about Gothel. She may not have had a very affectionate personality, but why would she have gone 3 days away for paint for Rapunzel. Why would she make Rapunzel's favourite hazelnut soup for her birthday?
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I don't know. A 3 day trip is a long way to trick someone into thinking you care about them. I don't think Gothel loved Rapunzel or anything. I just think she got used to her company and liked her a little when she was in a good mood.Scarred4life wrote:She did all of that because she didn`t want Rapunzel to rebel against her, and leave the tower. She needed to make sure that Rapunzel thought she cared about her.Linden wrote:I disagree about Gothel. She may not have had a very affectionate personality, but why would she have gone 3 days away for paint for Rapunzel. Why would she make Rapunzel's favourite hazelnut soup for her birthday?
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Yea I agree!Linden wrote:I don't know. A 3 day trip is a long way to trick someone into thinking you care about them. I don't think Gothel loved Rapunzel or anything. I just think she got used to her company and liked her a little when she was in a good mood.Scarred4life wrote: She did all of that because she didn`t want Rapunzel to rebel against her, and leave the tower. She needed to make sure that Rapunzel thought she cared about her.
She was never nuice to Rapunzel until that time.
Right? Seemed more like a "my agent said I have to come do this.. so. I showed up." And unless I heard wrong, he didn't sing anything from Tangled? lolSWillie! wrote:Hahahaha seriously. He should've stuck to the piano. My god. It didn't even seem like he was taking it seriously...Patrick wrote: Mr. Menken sure is a lot of things but a singer isn't one of them.. But that was nice.Thanks for posting.
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haha yea!Patrick wrote:Right? Seemed more like a "my agent said I have to come do this.. so. I showed up." And unless I heard wrong, he didn't sing anything from Tangled? lolSWillie! wrote: Hahahaha seriously. He should've stuck to the piano. My god. It didn't even seem like he was taking it seriously...
thanks for posting. wheres Tangled, Alan? 
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Well he has expressed he sees composing just as a job, one which he doesn't necessarily enjoyPatrick wrote:Right? Seemed more like a "my agent said I have to come do this.. so. I showed up." And unless I heard wrong, he didn't sing anything from Tangled? lolSWillie! wrote: Hahahaha seriously. He should've stuck to the piano. My god. It didn't even seem like he was taking it seriously...
The video is funny. You don't often see talent mixed with... that.
Did he really say he doesn't necessarily enjoy composing????Victurtle wrote:Well he has expressed he sees composing just as a job, one which he doesn't necessarily enjoyPatrick wrote: Right? Seemed more like a "my agent said I have to come do this.. so. I showed up." And unless I heard wrong, he didn't sing anything from Tangled? lol
The video is funny. You don't often see talent mixed with... that.
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Maybe he just doesn’t like composing to meet other people’s needs. Hasn’t it been said that the producers of Tangled had him change a lot to fit what they were going for? Who knows, possibly the songs would’ve been stronger if he had been left alone. But what if's are aggravating.
But I think that happens with any job. People always say, "Get a job in something you enjoy." Which usually just makes you end up hating what you once enjoyed.
But I think that happens with any job. People always say, "Get a job in something you enjoy." Which usually just makes you end up hating what you once enjoyed.
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I'm sure it's incredibly frustrating work. You can drive yourself to exhaustion writing what you think is excellent material only to have whoever's calling the shots reject it in favor of something you think is less suited. I imagine it's the difference between, say, his experience writing "Little Shop of Horrors" and something for a major studio like Disney. With LSOH it was essentially him and Howard working through it themselves and calling the shots, and with a major studio you risk getting "Part of Your World" cut because some kid can't hold onto a box of popcorn.
"Ta ta ta taaaa! Look at me... I'm a snowman! I'm gonna go stand on someone's lawn if I don't get something to do around here pretty soon!"
And even when they adapted Little Shop of Horrors, a couple of songs were cut even after they were filmed, like when "The Meek Shall Inherent" was dramatically shortened or the infamous re-shot ending that took out "Don't Feed the Plants" and had Audrey II die at the end.SpringHeelJack wrote:I imagine it's the difference between, say, his experience writing "Little Shop of Horrors" and something for a major studio like Disney. With LSOH it was essentially him and Howard working through it themselves and calling the shots, and with a major studio you risk getting "Part of Your World" cut because some kid can't hold onto a box of popcorn.
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