Peter Pan & Wendy (Live-Action)

[Disney Duster]

Vlad and Marce, you make great points. I mean, this film wasn't good enough for me to want to watch again, unlike, say, Hook. I even liked Pan better. But I thought it had some good stuff. Plus, Peter Pan was cruel enough to kill Lost Boys who got too old in the book. But yes, I prefer the '53 version where Peter is just arrogant and doesn't kill any of his friends, and children can visit or live there and it's all fun and games.

[D82]

Peter Pan & Wendy Review-Bombing Prompts Rotten Tomatoes to Remove Low Score
https://thedirect.com/article/peter-pan ... toes-score

[Sotiris]

The extent Rotten Tomatoes has gone to censor people in order to protect the studios is frankly nauseating.

[D82]

I personally don't mind it, as the audience score is useless anyway in cases like this, since you can't know what people really think of the film. When it's a theatrical release we at least have the Cinemascore, which can't be easily manipulated.

[Disney's Divinity]

You know Disney's fingerprints are all over this--the website was changed to make it harder to find the audience reaction at the same time Mulan imploded, too--but I imagine even the more general Hollywood types wanted this to happen as well so that their paid-off critics are the only voices that are heard. They know most average moviegoers trust audience reactions more than critic reactions. I mean, look at how disproportionately negative the critics were with Aladdin versus the audience that loved it because it was a faithful retelling. But they wouldn't censor the critics for doing the same to Aladdin as they are the audience for being out-of-step with the critics on Mulan, PP&W, and TLM.

Anyway, it's very disturbing how censorship tendencies are as popular within the far left as they are with the far right. They are both dangerous in my book, although at least the far left's power really doesn't extend outside of certain areas (like Hollywood) whereas the far right is a more widespread threat.

[Patricier21]

I wanted to like the film, I really did. I went into it with an open mind, thinking maybe the trailer did not do it justice. But I just didn't like it. The filmmakers really made an effort to ruin the animated classic - from the dark visuals, to the characters. I didn't mind the race-bent Tinker Bell, but I did mind the fact that she didn't have a personality. I hated how Wendy was turned from a caring, sweet, elegant girl into a total b***h (remember the scene where she threw her brothers under the bus, only to say "it's every man for himself"?). I hated how Peter Pan was a wuss, and how Captain Hook, turned from a fun villain into a boring character.

I'm not hating the actors, they did their best with what they were given. It seems to me the filmmakers focused more on fixing the racist issue in the original and to shove diversity and inclusivity down our throats, and left out, well, the story.

Well that scene in question is all a part of the game that they are playing and part of her development, portrayed in a realistic kind of way to how siblings (and even friends, to make a comparison to a pair later in the movie). Trust me, I can more than relate to that with my own siblings and even other people I know.

As for your other criticisms, well I wouldn’t call Peter Pan a “wuss” Or even more cruel, it’s simply the realistic natural nature of the beast. That is for the wood authentically be like in this kind of context, something that adds onto if not improves on what previous adaptations have done. Don’t get me wrong, I can completely see why people are disappointed in Neverland seemingly overall “lacking the fun” so to speak, but again that is what this kind of thing would be like, especially in the argument of Neverland being in a consistent “time loop”, as after a while, even doing this kind of thing over and over again would eventually “fade out” so to speak, even if it still maintains consistency, yet another thing that I very much can relate to.....

Someone being able to leave Neverland is also not an inconsistency, as well it’s the same way they’re able to actually get to Neverland, they simply went out another way. There’s all kinds of things you could also make an argument for another similar IPs such as Narnia (which have somewhat explored that in the sequels) even Dragon Tales etc. It’s not an inconsistency if you truly overall think about it, no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem

[D82]

The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes has been restored:

Update: Shortly after this piece was published, the 13% Rotten Tomatoes audience score was restored.

Source: https://bgr.com/entertainment/disneys-p ... nce-score/

[Sotiris]

Interesting. It seems like the publicity this got made RT backtrack. They have still not restored the audience score for Queen Cleopatra, another streaming project that allegedly got review-bombed.

[D82]

They have still not restored the audience score for Queen Cleopatra, another streaming project that allegedly got review-bombed.

It's interesting to know Peter Pan & Wendy wasn't the first case of an audience score being removed.

All this reminds me of the dislikes on Youtube not being visible anymore. Though, I've never understood why there's a dislike button in the first place. Doesn't that promote hate? If you don't like something, you can just not give it a like. I wonder if the reason they have it is that it's profitable for the company in some way.

[Disney's Divinity]

Oh, my goodness. I didn't even know it's down to 13% at this point. Anyway, trying to censor the audience invalidates the (few) positive reactions as much as the negative ones.

[Farerb]

All this reminds me of the dislikes on Youtube not being visible anymore. Though, I've never understood why there's a dislike button in the first place. Doesn't that promote hate? If you don't like something, you can just not give it a like. I wonder if the reason they have it is that it's profitable for the company in some way.

It was useful when people rated videos in good faith. If there was a video about someone reviewing something, or instructions on how to install something, etc..., You could check the likes/dislikes ratio and understand if the video was worth your time or not.

[UmbrellaFish]

Because it needs to be said— review bombing is real, especially when a movie is perceived to have a feminist message or to center POC. It’s not censorship for Rotten Tomatoes to mitigate abuse of its system by users, especially when they have access to internal data and tracking that would help them identify targeted campaigns of review bombing. I’m sure it’s a shitty movie, but the discrepancies between Peter Pan and Wendy’s audience/critic scores and the number of audience reviews received compared to Pinocchio and Lady and the Tramp looks pretty suspect.

[Disney's Divinity]

For the sake of good faith discussion, the implication made above also should be corrected--no one in this thread has said review bombing is not real.

As for the rest, I disagree. It can't help but be censorship because there is no manner in which they could weed out the genuine reviews from the disingenuous ones--mostly because there would be those who would claim any negative review is a "review bomb" simply because they don't like it. It doesn't come across like Facebook or Twitter where they can know if an account is a bot or not (or could, if the leadership wanted to). And, no offense, but if this movie was "review bombed" for Pan and Tinker Bell being racebent, it's very unlikely Pinocchio wouldn't have also received the same treatment for the Blue Fairy being racebent. Moreover, both Aladdin and TLK featured large, diverse casts and had highly positive audience scores--so... And I'm pretty sure the same is true for quite a few recent WDAS films, like Encanto, Moana, Raya, etc.

[UmbrellaFish]

Here is a link to the audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes so people can judge for themselves whether or not this movie is getting review bombed: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/peter_ ... ?type=user

[Lele]

Because it needs to be said— review bombing is real, especially when a movie is perceived to have a feminist message or to center POC. It’s not censorship for Rotten Tomatoes to mitigate abuse of its system by users, especially when they have access to internal data and tracking that would help them identify targeted campaigns of review bombing. I’m sure it’s a shitty movie, but the discrepancies between Peter Pan and Wendy’s audience/critic scores and the number of audience reviews received compared to Pinocchio and Lady and the Tramp looks pretty suspect.

Aladdin, Moana, Encanto etc were all centering non whites. Why didnt they get review bombed?

[Patricier21]

Because it needs to be said— review bombing is real, especially when a movie is perceived to have a feminist message or to center POC. It’s not censorship for Rotten Tomatoes to mitigate abuse of its system by users, especially when they have access to internal data and tracking that would help them identify targeted campaigns of review bombing. I’m sure it’s a shitty movie, but the discrepancies between Peter Pan and Wendy’s audience/critic scores and the number of audience reviews received compared to Pinocchio and Lady and the Tramp looks pretty suspect.

Well, you’ll never truly know unless you truly check it out for yourself, EH? Either way it’s much better use of your time than wasting it analyzing and guessing these statistics you are stating without having more solid concrete proof to back it up, EH?

[UmbrellaFish]

Rotten Tomatoes has tools at their disposal we do not. But the reviews are public… so are the users’ profiles… This movie has inspired an awful lot of people to leave low effort comments and 1-star ratings for this one, specific movie on Rotten Tomatoes. What about Peter Pan and Wendy might have spurred the creation of so many new accounts?

[Disney's Divinity]

There is nobody who has said the film hasn't been review bombed, we just differ by degrees. And we also know there are people giving it 5 stars undeserved as well, although probably at a fifth of the strength of those on the opposite end.

I'm curious though how PP+W is different from Pinocchio, TLK, and Aladdin though? The former had a race bend as well as a new character that is a PoC, and the latter two are both much more diverse than PP+W. The major difference is how much more unfaithful the film is compared to those, particularly Aladdin and TLK.

[UmbrellaFish]

It’s not just the racebend, in fact I would say it’s more so misogyny coming from incels. The movie’s title has been changed to include a female character and the movie has been marketed as more feminist than the original. See the Ghostbusters remake.

[Sotiris]

At the end of the day, any discussion regarding review-bombing boils down to this: "If it's something I like and/or it aligns with my politics then bad reviews are review-bombing; if it's something I don't like and/or goes against my politics, then bad reviews are rightful, objective criticism."