Tangled Discussion - Part V

[BelleGirl]

I went and saw it a second time and could easily see it again.

I almost hate to admit it, but I am starting to like the CGI more and more. I knew I loved it for the hair and other objects, but not for the actual human faces and body (I still prefer the 2D traditional look) . However seeing it a second time I am getting used to it more. You can see so many details in their eyes for example. Like how Flynn has these golden flecks and Rapunzel has some light brown flecks. I don't think traditional animation would have given them as much dimension. There are still some strange things that didn't quite work like the flying birds looked weird, but overall it is so beautiful.

The songs are also growing on me and surprisingly the "pop" sound of "When Will My Life Begin" was not as bothersome to me.

I really love this movie!

Things I heard from others at the movie:

There were several people saying (rather loudly and during the movie right after Rapunzel's hair is cut and turns brown ) that "She is so pretty. Wow, she now looks so beautiful!" There were several different voices saying this. A few kids, including what sounded like a little boy, and a couple of adults.

On the way out I heard two adults going on and on about how much they loved the movie and how beautiful it was.

Several kids said it made them cry and their moms said it made them cry too.


♥ I think Tangled has been VERY well received. ♥

Aren't you from Holland?
I went to the theater and was one of EIGHT people in a cinemaroom with space for 40.
This movie is gonna flop here... sadly... because it's a lovely movie

C'mon, just because there were a handfull of people in the cinemaroom at that time, you are sure the movie is going to flop? There could be a number of reasons why there were just a few; bad weather, ordinary weekday, all gone to the new HP etc. The Christmas holidays haven't even begun yet. Let's just wait and see, and don't jump to conclusions.

[Tristy]

Did anyone see the New Yorker review for this? They really loved it and they're usually a difficult group of critics to please.

[Sotiris]

And they have to have SOME explanation as to why her hair is back the way it is. It can't be like...

Little girl: "Rapunzel, your hair got cut off at the end, why is it long and blonde again?"

Rapunzel: "Well, I sell more merchandise when I'm portrayed with the long hair, so that's the wig their using. I don't know, kid."

Actually that would be a great answer Just because they're kids doesn't mean they're stupid.

[Tristy]

Well, on a side note, that would be like asking the Beauty and the Beast characters at Disney land why they went back to their enchanted state when they turned back human at the end of the movie.

See? Same kind of idea.

[Sotiris]

Well, on a side note, that would be like asking the Beauty and the Beast characters at Disney land why they went back to their enchanted state when they turned back human at the end of the movie.

See? Same kind of idea.

They could say: "Because during most of the film we were portayed in this state, the audience recognizes us easier that way and expects us to look like this".

[SWillie!]

Well, on a side note, that would be like asking the Beauty and the Beast characters at Disney land why they went back to their enchanted state when they turned back human at the end of the movie.

See? Same kind of idea.

They could say: "Because during most of the film we were portayed in this state, the audience recognizes us easier that way and expects us to look like this".

No, they can't. If Belle or Rapunzel or whoever EVER said anything like that to anyone on stage, they would be fired immediately. (That is, if a manager or someone above them ever heard them say it.) I know some people find that hard to believe, but that is actually the way it is in Disney Parks. They go out of their way to "keep the magic."

Some people, like the hardcore Disney fans who look for loopholes and questionable plot points, come to see them and ask questions and interrogate them on issues such as this one, and, in turn, ruin said magic by forcing the characters into a corner where they can't possibly come up with a legitimate answer and still stay in character. It happens every day. It's sad, really, that these adult Disney fans think they're above it all. That's why people like D23 members and the like get made fun of and looked down upon by people that work for the company. They're extreme fanboy-ish-ness ruins what everyone is there for.

On the other hand, there are the innocent kids. Contrary to what people think (that kids aren't stupid, and they know that characters are just people in costumes or wigs), kids actually DO believe that characters in Disney parks are the REAL thing. And the ones that question that fact usually WANT to believe, and so it's the storylines like "I still have a little bit of magic left inside me" that make it more real to them.

I know the average person doesn't understand how important it is, but I could go on and on about this considering I've gone through days of training to learn how to "keep the magic."

[disneyprincess123]

They could say: "Because during most of the film we were portayed in this state, the audience recognizes us easier that way and expects us to look like this".

No, they can't. If Belle or Rapunzel or whoever EVER said anything like that to anyone on stage, they would be fired immediately. (That is, if a manager or someone above them ever heard them say it.) I know some people find that hard to believe, but that is actually the way it is in Disney Parks. They go out of their way to "keep the magic."

Some people, like the hardcore Disney fans who look for loopholes and questionable plot points, come to see them and ask questions and interrogate them on issues such as this one, and, in turn, ruin said magic by forcing the characters into a corner where they can't possibly come up with a legitimate answer and still stay in character. It happens every day. It's sad, really, that these adult Disney fans think they're above it all. That's why people like D23 members and the like get made fun of and looked down upon by people that work for the company. They're extreme fanboy-ish-ness ruins what everyone is there for.

On the other hand, there are the innocent kids. Contrary to what people think (that kids aren't stupid, and they know that characters are just people in costumes or wigs), kids actually DO believe that characters in Disney parks are the REAL thing. And the ones that question that fact usually WANT to believe, and so it's the storylines like "I still have a little bit of magic left inside me" that make it more real to them.

I know the average person doesn't understand how important it is, but I could go on and on about this considering I've gone through days of training to learn how to "keep the magic."

Oh my goodness do you work at disney world? if you do can i please ask you lots of questions?

[Scamander]

Gosh disney, you couldn't make the german end credit song or it's music video a little less cheap, could you?

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[Fairytales]

Gosh disney, you couldn't make the german end credit song or it's music video a little less cheap, could you?

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That note at 3:38 hurt my ears.

[Rapunzel]

Really? Because I think it is a terrible idea to have her hair grow THAT long again and change back to blonde.[/i]

Well what would you have them do in the parks then? Have meet and greets with Rapunzel with her short brown hair? That would be ridiculous. Parents and kids alike would be like, "That's not Rapunzel! Where's her hair?"

And they have to have SOME explanation as to why her hair is back the way it is. It can't be like...

Little girl: "Rapunzel, your hair got cut off at the end, why is it long and blonde again?"

Rapunzel: "Well, I sell more merchandise when I'm portrayed with the long hair, so that's the wig their using. I don't know, kid."

I don't see anything wrong with saying that she has a little bit of magic left and so it has started to grow back.

I don't know, maybe have her pretend like it hasn't been cut yet and that she is just visiting the kingdom for the first time. "Oh mother would be so mad if she knew I was out here meeting all you nice people. Have you met Eugene? He is taking me on a tour of the city! I've never been out of my tower before and this is all so wonderful and exciting!".

I just think it is counter to the ending of the movie to have it return like that, especially having it be so long again. And if it was "just growing back" it would not be so long anyway. And by that logic shouldn't her one brown tuff of hair have changed back to blonde long ago when she still had the magic in her? It opens up too many holes.

I think it is smarter to have her pretend like she hasn't had her first hair cut yet.

[Scamander]

Yeah I know, it's awful. Thankfully "Monrose" ( ) broke up a few weeks ago- unfortunately to late for German Disney-Fans...

[wafflenugget]

Gosh disney, you couldn't make the german end credit song or it's music video a little less cheap, could you?

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That note at 3:38 hurt my ears.

Yeah, what was up with that? It just made the whole cover so much worse. Such a lousy video and group. I'm glad the U.S. didn't get a cover of "I See the Light" for the end credit. I was never fond of the covers they used at the end of other Disney films.

[PatrickvD]

That was just awful. Why insert that abomination when there is an insanely charming Grace Potter song that works perfectly.

[SWillie!]

Well what would you have them do in the parks then? Have meet and greets with Rapunzel with her short brown hair? That would be ridiculous. Parents and kids alike would be like, "That's not Rapunzel! Where's her hair?"

And they have to have SOME explanation as to why her hair is back the way it is. It can't be like...

Little girl: "Rapunzel, your hair got cut off at the end, why is it long and blonde again?"

Rapunzel: "Well, I sell more merchandise when I'm portrayed with the long hair, so that's the wig their using. I don't know, kid."

I don't see anything wrong with saying that she has a little bit of magic left and so it has started to grow back.

I don't know, maybe have her pretend like it hasn't been cut yet and that she is just visiting the kingdom for the first time. "Oh mother would be so mad if she knew I was out here meeting all you nice people. Have you met Eugene? He is taking me on a tour of the city! I've never been out of my tower before and this is all so wonderful and exciting!".

I just think it is counter to the ending of the movie to have it return like that, especially having it be so long again. And if it was "just growing back" it would not be so long anyway. And by that logic shouldn't her one brown tuff of hair have changed back to blonde long ago when she still had the magic in her? It opens up too many holes.

I think it is smarter to have her pretend like she hasn't had her first hair cut yet.

That just simply isn't possible. Before the film was released, that would make sense. But... people have SEEN the movie. And so, people have SEEN her hair get cut.

And again, you're being the person that everyone here at Disney can't stand - looking for plot holes. How do you know how long Rapunzel has been out of the tower? She says things like "I remember the first time I left my tower... the feel of the grass, and the touch of water... it was so wonderful!" For all you know it's been a few years since the end of the movie and now Eugene is taking her to visit other kingdoms.

And again, we're trying to KEEP THE MAGIC. That means that, when coming to visit a character, you have to play YOUR part in keeping the magic. If that means ignoring the fact that if her hair is growing back now then it only logically makes sense that the tuft that Gothel cut would have grown back years ago, then so be it.

Bottom line is, we're talking about a girl with magic, 70 ft long hair. And you're trying to make logical sense of it. It would be so much more fun and you'd enjoy it so much more if you weren't obsessed with plot holes and problems with the film and the story and the characters and the tiniest, stupidest little details.

[Patrick]

One of the things I really loved about the film is that Rapunzel never intended on falling in love. She wasn't a princess who's only purpose was to find a man to marry. She's very similar to Belle in that respect (as well as a few others.) And I also like that it was the princess saving her princes, as simple as that concept is. Amazing CG work aside, the story itself is fresh for the Disney Princess line.

[ajmrowland]

can we please refrain from giving too many spoilers. Some of us(more than just me) still havent seen it.

And now, I'm gonna stop coming to this topic.

[CampbellzSoup]

start a spoiler free thread then no one has to kneel to you because they want to talk about their excietment of seeing the film.

[eralkfang]

My theory on the hair is that, if part of it is cut while still magical, it remains the same–but if it's all cut and all the magic is gone? It's completely normal hair–you can grow it back and dye it.

In any case, yeah, I tend to assume that the face character is stuck in a particular moment–otherwise the usual costume for Mulan would anger me! (Although I have seen a couple Pings floating around the parks in photos… so awesome…)

Patrick, Tiana's motivation was opening up her own restaurant, so it's the "new crop", not just Rapunzel. But I agree–I really like seeing Disney princesses with new and interesting motivations who just sort of stumble into love. Not only is it just plain better, but then the love story feels more organic.

[ajmrowland]

start a spoiler free thread then no one has to kneel to you because they want to talk about their excietment of seeing the film.

Or just do what EralkFang did and white-out.

[SWillie!]

In any case, yeah, I tend to assume that the face character is stuck in a particular moment–otherwise the usual costume for Mulan would anger me! (Although I have seen a couple Pings floating around the parks in photos… so awesome…)

See, that's the way to go about it. Just assume - don't ask questions. These are some of your favorite Disney characters, so just go up, have fun, and interact with the characters. Instead of ruining the experience for yourself by being concerned about the plot and whether the story makes sense and all that nonsense. That's not what they're there for.

True story: a few weeks back, a middle aged man came to meet Rapunzel and Flynn. He asked Flynn to do the smolder for the camera, and afterwards he goes "that's interesting... you did it differently in the movie. You raised both your eyebrows in more of a puppy dog look then, but now you're raising one eyebrow. How come?"

And it's like... seriously dude?! You're a grown man. Knock it off.