The Little Mermaid (Live-Action)

[DisneyFan09]

Esmeralda at least had two deleted songs. Ariel didn't even get that. What's in the final movie is all that was ever produced for her.

True, but one of them was a duet after all, as well.

[JeanGreyForever]

Esmeralda at least had two deleted songs. Ariel didn't even get that. What's in the final movie is all that was ever produced for her.

True, but one of them was a duet after all, as well.

I didn't realize you meant solo songs only. That explains why you said Aurora has only one song then, although technically Jasmine wouldn't qualify.

[DisneyFan09]

I didn't realize you meant solo songs only. That explains why you said Aurora has only one song then, although technically Jasmine wouldn't qualify.

No, I didn't meant the solo's only.

[JeanGreyForever]

I didn't realize you meant solo songs only. That explains why you said Aurora has only one song then, although technically Jasmine wouldn't qualify.

No, I didn't meant the solo's only.

Oh, well in that case my point stands for Esmeralda that she had two deleted songs: Someday and In a Place of Miracles. I think the final film would have been better off had both remained in place, like in the original script. It's a pity that Hunchback never got the treatment that some Disney films got in the early 2000s (BATB, TLK, Pocahontas) with a reinserted song. I know there were plenty of rumors for TLM and Aladdin.

[Sotiris]

I don't know the actual link to the video, but I found a video on a IG story through mmdisney200 and Zendaya hints she could be Ariel after all.

Here you go!

https://youtu.be/MGO4_8YRKro?t=9m16s

[Disney Duster]

I found an interesting article about the search for a voice forUrsula.It's very interesting everyone should read if they are Disney fans.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/which-19 ... IviEpivnPy

That was a really interesting article, thanks!

[Vlad]

I don't know the actual link to the video, but I found a video on a IG story through mmdisney200 and Zendaya hints she could be Ariel after all.

Here you go!

https://youtu.be/MGO4_8YRKro?t=9m16s

I like her a lot. She could be great as Ariel.

[Mooky]

Um, West Side Story remake, anyone? Hence her comment about the New York accent.

EDIT: Never mind, I see now that movie has already been cast.

[Sotiris]

Um, West Side Story remake, anyone? Hence her comment about the New York accent.

But the cast of West Side Story has already been announced.

[Mooky]

I edited my comment just as you posted yours lol.

Back to speculating, I guess.

[DisneyFan09]

Oh, well in that case my point stands for Esmeralda that she had two deleted songs: Someday and In a Place of Miracles. I think the final film would have been better off had both remained in place, like in the original script.

To be honest, I've never been a huge fan of Someday, but In a Place of Miracles would've been nice. I didn't mind As Long as There's a Moon either, though both of them weren't exactly my favorites either.

It's a pity that Hunchback never got the treatment that some Disney films got in the early 2000s (BATB, TLK, Pocahontas) with a reinserted song. I know there were plenty of rumors for TLM and Aladdin.

Of course it's a pity, but due to Hunchback's legacy, I doubt that they've given it a reinserted song. It's a pity that they didn't do it for TLM and Aladdin either (though since they were crucial to the Renaissance, their rendition would've been justified). Though to be fair, the transition between the rendered songs wasn't as smooth as it could've been. At least the rendition in Pocahontas was nicely done.

[Disney's Divinity]

But the cast of West Side Story has already been announced.

I'm happy that West Side Story was spared.

[Farerb]

I don't know why would you want the original versions of films to be tampered with? Pocahontas was great since this song was cut late in production after a lot of score had been finished. The others? The added songs would just ruin the pacing and would not fit with the score. In addition, had Beauty and the Beast not added Human Again, there wouldn't have been such a mess with the colors and shot mistakes like there is now (so it's not like I can enjoy the original film while ignoring the altered edition cause it has affected the original edition as well).

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't know, I like the option of watching B&tB with "Human Again" although I never liked the Beast's dialogue in the additional scene.

"The Morning Report" was awful though.

[JeanGreyForever]

To be honest, I've never been a huge fan of Someday, but In a Place of Miracles would've been nice. I didn't mind As Long as There's a Moon either, though both of them weren't exactly my favorites either.

Of course it's a pity, but due to Hunchback's legacy, I doubt that they've given it a reinserted song. It's a pity that they didn't do it for TLM and Aladdin either (though since they were crucial to the Renaissance, their rendition would've been justified). Though to be fair, the transition between the rendered songs wasn't as smooth as it could've been. At least the rendition in Pocahontas was nicely done.

I think Someday's inclusion is crucial considering how prominent the theme is for Esmeralda, such as when she saves Quasi during the Festival of Fools, and again when he thinks she's dead. The stage adaptations certainly managed to put it to good use before the climax of the film. And despite being a deleted song relegated to the end credits, it seems pretty popular because I always see it on Disney albums as one of the token songs chosen for Hunchback. I've heard some people speculate that if the song had been in the film and was nominated for an Oscar instead of (or alongside) Out There, it would have won. A pity we never got the opportunity to see if that could be proven true or not.

True, we didn't even get the rumored 2-Disc Edition DVD for Hunchback at the end of the day. Still, despite absolutely no marketing or promotion, the film's legacy has grown in the past two decades and even Disney recognizes that there is a staunch fanbase for the film. With the success of the German musical and the American cast recording soundtrack being a bestseller, I could see Disney re-adding a song to the film if they were still in the business of doing that.

I don't know why would you want the original versions of films to be tampered with? Pocahontas was great since this song was cut late in production after a lot of score had been finished. The others? The added songs would just ruin the pacing and would not fit with the score. In addition, had Beauty and the Beast not added Human Again, there wouldn't have been such a mess with the colors and shot mistakes like there is now (so it's not like I can enjoy the original film while ignoring the altered edition cause it has affected the original edition as well).

Human Again is a complicated song since the original was incredibly lengthy and was replaced by Something There. Whole sequences of Human Again were used in Something There which made it somewhat unnecessary to include in the Special Edition. Not only were there three songs back to back, but I didn't think it was necessary for the objects to get their own I Want Song. All the previous songs featuring Disney sidekicks are always meant to further the development of the main character (Under the Sea and Kiss the Girl for Ariel, Friend Like Me and Prince Ali for Aladdin, etc.) but Human Again is entirely devoted to the objects' own desires which is fine and all but not really necessary. The most important scene from the song is Belle and Beast in the library and they botched even that imo. King Arthur, the book they read in the musical, is far more thematic than Romeo and Juliet which is way too on the nose.

I don't think the added sequence is the reason why the colors were so messed up. In fact, in the trailer for the Special Edition, the colors for the film are what they should be and even Human Again is colored to resemble the original film. Somewhere along the lines, they changed the entire film's color scheme. I agree that the background mistake came from Human Again's inclusion though.

In a Place of Miracles was also a deleted song like If I Never Knew You and not one that needed to be truncated or overhauled like Human Again. True, it wasn't completely animated, but imo the song should never have been cut. There's lots of complaints that Esmeralda and Phoebus' romance isn't believable, much like how Pocahontas and John Smith's romance was criticized prior to the inclusion of If I Never Knew You. In a Place of Miracles shows that Esmeralda and Phoebus are both outcasts in their own way, like Quasi who have been searching for happiness before finally finding the right partner in each other. It furthers their relationship but it also develops Quasi's character, despite the filmmakers claiming that it was cut because it didn't center on Quasi. The second half of the song is basically all about him since we see him struggling to accept Esmeralda and Phoebus' relationship. The end of the song has him about to bring the two characters' hands together, which ties into the ending of the film where he does exactly that. It explains his state of mind towards the end and why he is able to finally accept them together. I also think the scene where he imagines himself as a handsome man dancing with Esmeralda is so heartbreaking but beautiful to see and should have been included on screen.

The Morning Report is really the most unnecessary song that was added though. Aladdin never had as many songs as the others so I think it could benefit from an extra one. While Proud of Your Boy would be the obvious choice, I think To Be Free would be the better addition because it gives Jasmine an extra song and the song is just beautiful imo. I love how it utilizes the prominent theme used for Jasmine and the Genie and it really fits alongside the other film's songs. I know lots of people who have seen the California Adventure Musical and assumed that the song was always in the original. For TLM, I admit I don't think this really needs an extra song. It's balanced well enough imo although I would have been curious as to what Disney might have come up with for Ariel and/or Eric. Although I've also heard that adding new songs and sequences wouldn't be feasible for any film that wasn't created with CAPS, in which case they wouldn't have been able to add a song to TLM anyway.

[DisneyFan09]

I think Someday's inclusion is crucial considering how prominent the theme is for Esmeralda, such as when she saves Quasi during the Festival of Fools, and again when he thinks she's dead. The stage adaptations certainly managed to put it to good use before the climax of the film.

Fair enough. It's not that I hate Someday, I'm just not particularly fond of it. I know that I'm in the minority, but I prefer God Help the Outcasts, since I find it to be melodically superior.

And despite being a deleted song relegated to the end credits, it seems pretty popular because I always see it on Disney albums as one of the token songs chosen for Hunchback.

True. Which is remarkable for an deleted song, anyways. At least If I Never Knew You was a part of the film, whereas Someday was a deleted song that pretty much became an anthem for the film.

I've heard some people speculate that if the song had been in the film and was nominated for an Oscar instead of (or alongside) Out There, it would have won. A pity we never got the opportunity to see if that could be proven true or not.

That's true, I've never thought about that. But as a kid I thought it was remarkable that Hunchback was left out of the Oscars.

True, we didn't even get the rumored 2-Disc Edition DVD for Hunchback at the end of the day. Still, despite absolutely no marketing or promotion, the film's legacy has grown in the past two decades and even Disney recognizes that there is a staunch fanbase for the film. With the success of the German musical and the American cast recording soundtrack being a bestseller, I could see Disney re-adding a song to the film if they were still in the business of doing that.

Well said. I remember the Buzz around the rumored 2-Disc Edition, but I Wonder how it would've been. Would it been just the Laserdisc Bonus Features imported to the DVD without new features? I've seen some artwork for it online, but I Wonder if they were just fanmade.

I don't know why would you want the original versions of films to be tampered with? Pocahontas was great since this song was cut late in production after a lot of score had been finished. The others? The added songs would just ruin the pacing and would not fit with the score. In addition, had Beauty and the Beast not added Human Again, there wouldn't have been such a mess with the colors and shot mistakes like there is now (so it's not like I can enjoy the original film while ignoring the altered edition cause it has affected the original edition as well).

Well, just because that I'm saying that I wouldn't mind to have those new songs integrated, doesn't meant that I exactly yearn for it. And sure, I understand why you think it the originals get destroyed with the new renditions, but hey, there's always an option to watch the original. And I'm sorry if I come across as snappy, but I just wanted to make my point.

[Disney Duster]

Wow JeanGreyForever, great post! Why is King Arthur more thematically fit, though?

DisneyFan09, you cannot watch the original Beauty and the Beast completely.

[JeanGreyForever]

Fair enough. It's not that I hate Someday, I'm just not particularly fond of it. I know that I'm in the minority, but I prefer God Help the Outcasts, since I find it to be melodically superior.

True. Which is remarkable for an deleted song, anyways. At least If I Never Knew You was a part of the film, whereas Someday was a deleted song that pretty much became an anthem for the film.

That's true, I've never thought about that. But as a kid I thought it was remarkable that Hunchback was left out of the Oscars.

Well said. I remember the Buzz around the rumored 2-Disc Edition, but I Wonder how it would've been. Would it been just the Laserdisc Bonus Features imported to the DVD without new features? I've seen some artwork for it online, but I Wonder if they were just fanmade.

I like both Someday and God Help the Outcasts equally so I wouldn't be able to pick between the two. That's why I love how the stage adaptations fit both and I really do think Someday works better in the form of a final prayer during the climax than in the constrained setting of Notre Dame.

It's a shame that Hunchback didn't even win for Best Score, especially since this is Menken's richest work, both musically and thematically.

I think most of the artwork for the 2-Disc Hunchback DVD is fanmade, actually having come from this forum. One poster created pseudo Platinum Editions for both Hunchback and Hercules way back. I'm guessing most of the Laserdisc bonus features would be carried over (but probably not all since that wasn't the case for Snow White, The Lion King, Pocahontas, Mary Poppins, etc.). There would be a few new features, alongside games and a music video or two. Tarzan was also supposed to get a 2-Disc DVD but that was also relegated to a one-disc special edition. That doesn't bother me very much because the Collector's Edition DVD originally released was already an expansive 2-Disc DVD.

Wow JeanGreyForever, great post! Why is King Arthur more thematically fit, though?

Thanks Disney Duster. If we look at the two main books that Belle discusses in BATB, we see that she loves Jack and the Beanstalk and presumably Sleeping Beauty. In Belle's Magical World, we see her reading Cinderella to the Beast. Even if we disregard the midquel, Belle's tastes seem to be fairy tales and legends filled with romance, magic, and adventure. King Arthur is far closer to those aforementioned works than Romeo and Juliet. Romeo and Juliet doesn't fit very well anyway since while it's a romance, it's a star-crossed romance with an unhappy ending unlike BATB. Not to mention, that BATB being Oscar-nominated is why they overhauled Pocahontas into a full-fledged Romeo and Juliet type story so out of all of Disney's romances, Pocahontas is the one that most closely aligns with Romeo and Juliet. Back to King Arthur though, it's a tale filled with transformation and secret intrigues of all the interrelated characters, which is very similar to the original BATB fairy tale, and of course, the Beast is defined by transformation. Characters like the Lady of the Lake are a close parallel to the Enchantress, whereas you won't really find anything of that sort in Romeo and Juliet.

[Disney Duster]

Oh wow, great explanation! I don't know why people were so dumb to think Aladdin was the story that was Belle's favorite since the pictures show a European romance. But I heard in making the movie it was a possible version of Cinderella. Do we ever know what Belle's favorite story that she reads in the original movie really is?

[Sotiris]

Do we ever know what Belle's favorite story that she reads in the original movie really is?

Yes, it's Beauty and the Beast. It's called foreshadowing.