Frozen: Part IV

[qindarka]

I'm guessing that it's just Tumblr having an automatic process to remove posts that are flagged for copyright infringement, not that familiar with the site admittedly. Whereas other sites may require the pictures to be taken down manually by the site owners.

[Sotiris]

It doesn't make any sense....have you 'annoyed' them before ?

No, it's probably because they thought I was the source of the leaks. As if a simple fan would have access to such material. I simply found them on an online bookstore; with a simple search, they would have found the source too. Aren't they aware of what materials they sent out to their partners? Don't they know it's a common practice of online bookstores to offer a few sample pages of their books for potential customers? And it's not as if they released these storybook images like a year before the film's release. We're talking about a film which will be released in only three months. Disney is just being unreasonable.

[Lady Cluck]

Meh who cares? It's just tumblr. Things are taken off youtube, tumblr, etc all the time for copyright infringement. It doesn't mean you were specifically targeted (they likely haven't seen the others you linked yet) and it doesn't mean you're getting sued or anything.

Disney has a vested interest in minimizing spoiler information MONTHS before the release date. Most movies don't get this kind of attention that far out, but Disney fans are rather obsessive with finding out every minor detail

[Sotiris]

Meh who cares? It's just tumblr. Things are taken off youtube, tumblr, etc all the time for copyright infringement.

I care. Tumblr could have my blog deleted if Disney makes any more copyright infringement claims.

[SWillie!]

Don't you think you're being a tad selfish here? Disney has every right to take down information that belongs to them that they don't want available yet. Does it seem like they are going overboard with it for Frozen? Yes, but that is their prerogative, and we as fans aren't entitled to anything. For all you know they HAVE taken action against those other sites, including the bookstore, and they simply haven't responded by removing the images yet. They don't have some personal vendetta against you, they're simply doing what they feel is in their best interests. They've probably realized how out of control the online Disney fandom is (particularly on tumblr), and have decided to be more proactive about leaks and such. I can't blame them.

[Sotiris]

Disney has every right to take down information that belongs to them that they don't want available yet.

I didn't argue about their right to do so. But just because they have the legal right to do so, that does not mean they should act upon it. Especially, when it does not hurt their interests in any way. I don't think you could find any impartial individual who would argue otherwise regarding the recent leaks. Many would even claim that such minor leaks help promote and advertise their product. Disney's perception of what serves their interests, does not necessarily correspond to reality.

Besides, after something has been leaked online it doesn't go away. It's silly of them to try do so and an exercise in futility. And it's one thing to go after legit websites and media, and another to target simple fans which only results in alienating their fanbase. Particularly, when it's about something so incredibly trivial and harmless.

I can't blame them.

No surprise there. Honestly, I can't recall a single instance where you criticized Disney about anything.

[Super Aurora]

Because the website Bleeding Cool posted the storybook images I had on my Tumblr and credited me as the source, I received a copyright infringement notification from Tumblr and had my posts removed.

I am shocked and frustrated that Disney would stoop so low as to claim copyright infringement on a few sample images of a storybook which were released by their affiliates. Obviously, I didn't produce those images out of thin air, I found them on an online bookstore (which undoubtedly were provided to them by Disney in the first place).

Their growing paranoia about leaks is out of control and to be frank I'm beginning to grow resentful towards Disney and their moronic policies.

Biggest mistake #1- Having the images on Tumblr where it can be easy access to corporation to find

Biggest mistake #2- Getting the stuff you find credited by others. Once that had happen of course people going to be able track down to you.

You should of upload them to like imgur or such and just post the images here. And only here.


Well to me I don't care since I've saved the images already to my folder.

[Sotiris]

You should've upload them to like imgur or such and just post the images here. And only here.

I think I'll go for the other option of not posting anything, anywhere.

[Candy-Bonita95]

Sotoris,can you atleast write to Disney or get a lawyer?I think you should check if you are safe.

I am just wondering about this.If Disney did not want leaks,then why did they release those images to Amazon?They could have released the covers,and that would have been fine.But why the pages?(Especially one containing details fans have been longing for?)Do the people of Amazon.com know our hunger?(Silly dramatic question) Should we ask Amazon.com if they are in trouble of releasing these images? (Serious suggestion.I think it could you some relief,Sotoris)

[Disney's Divinity]

Their growing paranoia about leaks is out of control and to be frank I'm beginning to grow resentful towards Disney and their moronic policies.

Well, I already had very little respect for Disney the corporation, so I’ve filed this under "unsurprised." It’s pathetic that they only targeted a random Tumblr user when those pictures obviously came from other sources. Funny how they can have threaten to have your account deleted at the drop of the dime, but they suffer no consequences for unfairly targeting someone. What a joke.

My thoughts exactly. Really, the only news I care about regarding Frozen is a new trailer and the soundtrack album. I want to see what Lee and Buck have created without speculating the hell out of the story.

To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with speculating over Disney films. It's conversation, and it's not like Disney films are really that complex anyway that finding out the plot only through seeing the film or not would affect the viewing experience.

[SWillie!]

I didn't argue about their right to do so. But just because they have the legal right to do so, that does not mean they should act upon it.

In that case then, we have to ask ourselves where do they draw the line? You're right that these 3 book pages seem extremely minor and inconsequential in the long run, but at what point do they say 'nope, that's too much'. Some book pages 3 months prior to release... a couple pieces of concept art 4 months prior... Test footage at 6 months? What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter. In Disney's eyes, this is information that they didn't want publicly available yet, period. So they take it down, end of story. The only people its alienating are the blood-thirsty tumblr fans that are literally desperate for any sort of information. As the online fandom becomes bigger, Disney is more at risk for those fans to somehow find something that they don't want found yet. And so, they're simply taking precautions and being proactive about it. Surely you of all people can see the business sense in that.

I can't blame them.

No surprise there. Honestly, I can't recall a single instance where you criticized Disney about anything.

And you are constantly criticizing them for every little thing. We may be at two opposite ends of the spectrum, but there's no reason to judge one another for that. I simply look at things from Disney's (the company) perspective, rather than solely from my fan point of view. Do I love seeing things like this and get excited about bits of info? Yes. I absolutely appreciate the way you constantly supply us with bits and pieces. But I can also step back and realize that it is not in Disney's best interests in the long run, and that it's no fault of theirs to be taking precautions.

[Disney's Divinity]

The company is always right. If only we all had the wisdom to accept that.

[SWillie!]

Most certainly not. But they ARE doing what makes the most business sense. The two of you are too smart not to realize that. I'm not saying its "right" or "wrong", simply that it makes sense.

[Prince Kido]

Official article about the inspiration for Frozen :
http://blogs.disney.com/insider/article ... of-frozen/

[Miss Manday]

I don't think they're going to come after you any further. The images have been removed from your blog, so you've done what they've asked. But it's true, the images aren't going to disappear. They are now in graphic/image sets all over Tumblr. It was silly of Disney to freak out about it, but what can you do. They did the same thing with the supposed 'fake' character designs of Anna and Elsa earlier this year too.

[Candy-Bonita95]

Prince Kido ,I was going to post that article just this moment.

So yeah, we need to take this copyright infringement thingy aside....

Back to the article. I like how Peter del Vecho says that they audience may not like the things Anna and Elsa do. It's not the the usual, "OMG!The character we created is so fricking feminist and good-she just does everything the audience expects in a heroine."and then we see the bull shit in the actual film.*cough*Catwoman*cough*

[Sotiris]

In that case then, we have to ask ourselves where do they draw the line? You're right that these 3 book pages seem extremely minor and inconsequential in the long run, but at what point do they say 'nope, that's too much'. Some book pages 3 months prior to release... a couple pieces of concept art 4 months prior... Test footage at 6 months? What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter.

I think it does matter though. Both what gets leaked and at what time-frame it gets leaked should have a bearing on Disney's reaction. They shouldn't employ the same absolute approach about everything at any time. A few book pages three months before release should not garner the same reaction as, let's say, a clip from the film, a year before release.

And you are constantly criticizing them for every little thing.

I know why it may seem that way but I don't believe I do that as much as everyone thinks. For example, I didn't criticize Disney about the makeover they gave the Disney princesses or about the Merida controversy or about Pixar producing more sequels. What I usually complain about is the lack of hand-drawn animation or some of Lasseter's strategic approaches and decisions.

We may be at two opposite ends of the spectrum, but there's no reason to judge one another for that.

There's no bad blood on my end. In fact, I always appreciate your well-thought-out and articulate responses even if I don't always agree with them.

As far as leaks go, I decided to stop posting anything I find that hasn't been officially released by Disney or leaked by someone else. It used to be fun to share stuff I found with my fellow fans but ever since Disney took on this overbearing approach to leaks, it has become increasingly less enjoyable. If I find something and post the source, Disney goes after them and I feel guilty about it. If I don't post the source, I get targeted instead. This is not the first Disney has done so. They've also removed pictures from my Imageshack and Photobucket accounts in the past as well. There's just no win in this situation. I actually found some test footage of Anna a couple of weeks ago and decided not to post it because I knew Disney would go after the animator.

[disneyprincess11]

Here's a very nice article on why they changed The Snow Queen:
http://blogs.disney.com/insider/article ... ocialmedia|||

I have a feeling that more big things are coming! Hopefully, Disney XD doesn't only show the trailer as its speical "sneak peek" But instead, behind the scenes footage and new clips. And I'm sorry, Sotiris that Disney made you took the stuff down. And I don't think suing Disney over a tiny thing will help at all.

[tomakpo]

That "embargo lifting" means those who were forbidden to talk about what they watched about the movie now are able to do it?

Goodness, couldn't we just wait and be surprised by the film when it is actually released ?

I don't really look for spoilers, I want to be surprised by the actual film! But I'm curious about some other stuff, the music.. I don't know, I'm just curious and I can't wait. Wake me up when november ends

[phan258]

For some reason "speculating the hell out of the story" made me laugh really hard, and not at all in a sarcastic way. That is exactly how I would describe one of my favorite things to do for books/movies/games pre-release! I would say I think the anticipation and endless possibilities are some of the best parts of being a fan. I love hearing other people's theories and I even love being proven wrong about mine. It's so much fun.

Sorry you had a run-in with the fuzz, Sotiris, but hey the images are out there now for anyone who cares to enjoy them, thanks in part to you.