Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[tsom]

People are just jealous, that's how I look at it.

[Elladorine]

At the risk of derailing this topic just a little further, how old are some of you complaining that people think Disney is for little kids? I only ask because Disney was like the coolest thing ever when I was in high school, back in the early 90's. I don't remember one single teenager (usually the most vicious of these groups) brushing off Disney as being for babies or teasing anyone for being too old for it, in fact Aladdin was a popular date movie, Beauty and the Beast was a big discussion topic in several classes, The Little Mermaid was adored, and just about everyone wanted to see The Lion King multiple times in the theater. Not to say that everyone was a Disney geek, but I was never looked down upon for being one myself.

Disney managed to change that mindset at least once since the early 80's and it looks like they need to figure out how all over again.

[SmartAleck25]

Well, the current generation doesn't seem to think so. But I do agree with what you're saying, enigmawing. Things have changed quite a lot (though I wasn't around at those times).

[Goliath]

At the risk of derailing this topic just a little further, how old are some of you complaining that people think Disney is for little kids?

I'm 24 years young.

[Elladorine]

I've always had the general feeling I'm about ten years older than a lot of people on this board. But yeah, I can totally see a change in mindset, and it's a real shame.

I recall something I'd heard years ago about Disney in the early 80's, that they interviewed people (I'm guessing in order to figure out how to increase ticket sales for both the films and the parks) and one young man (I'm guessing late teens/early 20's) said he absolutely loved Disney and couldn't wait until he had kids of his own so he'd have an excuse to go enjoy them once again.

Looks like we're facing the same issues today?

As I was saying, when I was a teen Disney was not only accepted, but was considered cool. A lot of cartoons in general were, now that I think about it. Way back when the Simpsons still aired on Sunday nights, everyone would be talking about the latest episode on Monday. Our drama class actually studied the themes in Beauty and the Beast, our art teacher was just as interested in Animaniacs as we were, we still loved the Disney Afternoon shows, and getting to bring in a Disney VHS (like Aladdin) to watch during class was actually exciting for everyone. I'm guessing a lot of that excitement peaked with the release of The Lion King . . . I'm not saying Pocahontas or the latter films were bad, but I don't think they had the same mass appeal as what we were given in the early 90's.

I was occasionally able to take my nieces to the theaters in the mid/late 90's for movies like Mulan. A few years later, I asked one of them if she'd be interested in going to see Treasure Planet, and she looked at me as if I was utterly insane. Maybe she wasn't interested in that particular film but I'm willing to bet she thought any Disney movies were for babies at that point. Whoops, guess she was too old and cool for Disney at the ripe old age of 12.

But to get back on topic, I'm wondering if a film like Tangled can help bring that "coolness" back to the Disney image.

[polish_princess]

I'm 32 and I think the original Disney movies (not counting sequels, prequels, etc) are much more for "older" viewers than the young. There are just so many subtleties (sp?), dark images, analogies, etc. that young viewers don't catch them all. Plus, my father adored Disney all the way to passing away at 75. He so wanted to be a Disney animator, but lost his depth perception in the Korean War I think the "kiddie" movies part comes from the merchandising (I can barely find adult wares with princesses on them) and from the toned down sequels, Enchanted Tales, etc.

[Scarred4life]

Enigmawig, let's just say it isn't the 'height of coolness' to be obsessed with Disney in grade 8.

[yukitora]

I'm 32 and I think the original Disney movies (not counting sequels, prequels, etc) are much more for "older" viewers than the young. There are just so many subtleties (sp?), dark images, analogies, etc. that young viewers don't catch them all. Plus, my father adored Disney all the way to passing away at 75. He so wanted to be a Disney animator, but lost his depth perception in the Korean War I think the "kiddie" movies part comes from the merchandising (I can barely find adult wares with princesses on them) and from the toned down sequels, Enchanted Tales, etc.

I agree. My favourite Walt quote was something along the lines that he makes the film not necessary for children, but for the children in us all. So the target audience in mind was really everyone, not just adults nor children.

So yeh in a way Disney's animation (though not necessary other companies) have been designed to reignite childhood fantasies, whether bright and bubbly or significantly darker (I mean gosho childhood is a nightmare).

I agree with you though all this merchandising and marketing makes it much harder to interest adults.

[Kyle]

my father adored Disney all the way to passing away at 75. He so wanted to be a Disney animator, but lost his depth perception in the Korean War

why would lack of depth perception affect ones ability to draw/animate? he might not have been able to view movies with 3d glasses, but if his vision was clear I dont see how it would have stopped him.

[polish_princess]

my father adored Disney all the way to passing away at 75. He so wanted to be a Disney animator, but lost his depth perception in the Korean War

why would lack of depth perception affect ones ability to draw/animate? he might not have been able to view movies with 3d glasses, but if his vision was clear I dont see how it would have stopped him.

There might have been more to it (I heard these things in my childhood), but I just know he couldn't draw as well after that.

[ajmrowland]

Im 19 and, while I might've used to come across people with such perceptions, Almost no one but my parents really give me such reactions. On the contrary, I meet a lot of people who still like a number of Disney movies, and I can freely get into a debate with a 16 yr old over Song of the South.

[robster16]

The brazilian version of the teaser trailer for "Tangled", dubbed in portugese, has hit the internet and surprise surprise, they gave the movie the title: "RAPUNZEL"...

http://www.planetadisney.net/noticia/ex ... e-tangled/

[PatrickvD]

The brazilian version of the teaser trailer for "Tangled", dubbed in portugese, has hit the internet and surprise surprise, they gave the movie the title: "RAPUNZEL"...

http://www.planetadisney.net/noticia/ex ... e-tangled/

only the US will get Tangled

So Brasil and France are confirming this as Rapunzel. The rest of the world will probably call it that as well.

Man, what a mess.

[disneyboy20022]

The brazilian version of the teaser trailer for "Tangled", dubbed in portugese, has hit the internet and surprise surprise, they gave the movie the title: "RAPUNZEL"...

http://www.planetadisney.net/noticia/ex ... e-tangled/

only the US will get Tangled

So Brasil and France are confirming this as Rapunzel. The rest of the world will probably call it that as well.

Man, what a mess.

Actually France I thought was getting Princess Rapunzel..


and yes it is quite a mess...a very Tangled Mess

[Jules]

I'm praying that the film will retain its original title too in the UK, as that's where I get my DVDs. And if it does, Americans with region-free capabilities can import the UK disc later on (if they're bothered with the "Tangled" title).

[UmbrellaFish]

only the US will get Tangled

So Brasil and France are confirming this as Rapunzel. The rest of the world will probably call it that as well.

Man, what a mess.

It's funny how much influence TPATF is having over Rapunzel. In America, TPATF didn't do very well, so they completely drop the protagonist's name from the title. In France, where TPATF took Avatar's spot at number one, I believe, it's name is being changed to Princess Rapunzel. You could probably predict Rapunzel/Tangled/Princess Rapunzel/Girl With Really Long Hair's title in the UK based on the grosses it made there.

[Sotiris]

Are we sure this is not a fan-made trailer? Because the font of the Brazilian text looks kinda cheap...

[SWillie!]

I'm praying that the film will retain its original title too in the UK, as that's where I get my DVDs. And if it does, Americans with region-free capabilities can import the UK disc later on (if they're bothered with the "Tangled" title).

Ohhh boy that would be so spectacular. We should boycott the American version of the home release and all import "Rapunzel" from somewhere else!

[schoollover]

This might sound so out of place, but on the jungle book dvd, did anybody else see the sketches of rapunzel behind Glen Keane, I wonder how it has changed from that.

[Atlantica]

Seeing the teaser trailer in the cinema literrally took my breath away ..... that was the magic and wonder of Disney coming alive again for me. I mean, I adored PatF ... but this was just pitched to the audience in a different way, and it certainly spoke to me.

Whether it be Tangled or Rapunzel, nothing will stop me from seeing this movie !!