John Lasseter Accused of Sexual Assault

[Disney's Divinity]

I just explained why I took it that way. Read it or don't.

[UmbrellaFish]

You’re reading too much into my comment and taking it personally. It was not intended that way. Please stop.

This was written before you edited your comment.

[Sotiris]

New interview with John Musker and Ron Clements praising Lasseter. The interview was uploaded last month, but it was taken in August 2019.

[D82]

New interview with John Musker and Ron Clements praising Lasseter. The interview was uploaded last month, but it was taken in August 2019.

Wow, and they don't praise him just a little. I think it's no accident they mention him there, I believe it's probably part of a campaign to restore John Lasseter's reputation. It just occurred to me that John Musker could've even joined Skydance, given that he's such a good friend of Lasseter. Maybe he's the director of the project Alan Menken is writing music for and the one who brought him as a composer. Do you think that could be possible?

[Sotiris]

Anything's possible, but I don't believe Musker would be willing to direct a movie without Clements.

[JeanGreyForever]

So much drama. I find it ironic that Duster and I were unceremoniously accused of always instigating trouble when the previous page is proof that this is anything but the case. Some here need to check their bias and turn off their blinders pronto. That especially goes for Menken, Musker, and Clements who I am very disappointed in. I didn't even bother watching the videos so I'll have to take the word of those who watched them because I really don't want to hear them blindly praise Lasseter. I gave Jennifer Lee flack for warmly treating Lasseter and it looks like these three are no better. I'm not even sure why considering how Lasseter creatively stifled the three and Musker doesn't even work at Disney anymore so it's not like he technically has to toe the company line. A shame because I deeply respect these three men for their work on TLM and Aladdin but this doesn't gel well with me at all.

[Farerb]

So much drama. I find it ironic that Duster and I were unceremoniously accused of always instigating trouble when the previous page is proof that this is anything but the case. Some here need to check their bias and turn off their blinders pronto. That especially goes for Menken, Musker, and Clements who I am very disappointed in. I didn't even bother watching the videos so I'll have to take the word of those who watched them because I really don't want to hear them blindly praise Lasseter. I gave Jennifer Lee flack for warmly treating Lasseter and it looks like these three are no better. I'm not even sure why considering how Lasseter creatively stifled the three and Musker doesn't even work at Disney anymore so it's not like he technically has to toe the company line. A shame because I deeply respect these three men for their work on TLM and Aladdin but this doesn't gel well with me at all.

Same.
And if people thought I'm gonna defend them because of The Little Mermaid, Aladdin or Moana, they couldn't be more wrong. I don't measure People's morality based on how much I like their work or how much they affected my childhood. I used to admire Ellen Degeneres, but I keep hearing awful things about her... What can I say? C'est La Vie

[JeanGreyForever]

So much drama. I find it ironic that Duster and I were unceremoniously accused of always instigating trouble when the previous page is proof that this is anything but the case. Some here need to check their bias and turn off their blinders pronto. That especially goes for Menken, Musker, and Clements who I am very disappointed in. I didn't even bother watching the videos so I'll have to take the word of those who watched them because I really don't want to hear them blindly praise Lasseter. I gave Jennifer Lee flack for warmly treating Lasseter and it looks like these three are no better. I'm not even sure why considering how Lasseter creatively stifled the three and Musker doesn't even work at Disney anymore so it's not like he technically has to toe the company line. A shame because I deeply respect these three men for their work on TLM and Aladdin but this doesn't gel well with me at all.

Same.
And if people thought I'm gonna defend them because of The Little Mermaid, Aladdin or Moana, they couldn't be more wrong. I don't measure People's morality based on how much I like their work or how much they affected my childhood. I used to admire Ellen Degeneres, but I keep hearing awful things about her... What can I say? C'est La Vie

So many of these hugely influential Disney people seem to be coming to Lasseter's defense and that's hugely disappointing. I can't remember if Ginnifer Goodwin ever addressed the subject since Lasseter was exposed. I know she considered him her personal Walt Disney before that so I really hope she doesn't go around still saying that especially since I've always considered her an icon for women.

What stuff is there about Ellen? I've never been a huge fan of hers but I'm curious anyway.

[Farerb]

Same.
And if people thought I'm gonna defend them because of The Little Mermaid, Aladdin or Moana, they couldn't be more wrong. I don't measure People's morality based on how much I like their work or how much they affected my childhood. I used to admire Ellen Degeneres, but I keep hearing awful things about her... What can I say? C'est La Vie

So many of these hugely influential Disney people seem to be coming to Lasseter's defense and that's hugely disappointing. I can't remember if Ginnifer Goodwin ever addressed the subject since Lasseter was exposed. I know she considered him her personal Walt Disney before that so I really hope she doesn't go around still saying that especially since I've always considered her an icon for women.

What stuff is there about Ellen? I've never been a huge fan of hers but I'm curious anyway.

Here's the Twitter with all the comments, now the way that person did that was awful so I'm pretty sure he's as awful as she is.

[JeanGreyForever]

So many of these hugely influential Disney people seem to be coming to Lasseter's defense and that's hugely disappointing. I can't remember if Ginnifer Goodwin ever addressed the subject since Lasseter was exposed. I know she considered him her personal Walt Disney before that so I really hope she doesn't go around still saying that especially since I've always considered her an icon for women.

What stuff is there about Ellen? I've never been a huge fan of hers but I'm curious anyway.

Here's the Twitter with all the comments, now the way that person did that was awful so I'm pretty sure he's as awful as she is.

Was there a link posted because I can't see one?

[Farerb]

Sorry
https://twitter.com/KevinTPorter/status ... 12160?s=19

[Disney Duster]

Now, guys...what these people are saying about John Lasseter is pretty bad. I will say, giving him credit where credit is due, and sharing the truth about someone, like the fact they did do some good things I don't have a problem with. But working with the guy after all this and praising him to the extent they have after all this, yeah, I don't agree with that.

[JeanGreyForever]

Sorry
https://twitter.com/KevinTPorter/status ... 12160?s=19

That's all right and thank you. Wow, that's some shocking stuff but it doesn't altogether surprise me. The reason I'm not a fan of Ellen is because she always seemed disingenuous to me on her show, especially when interacting with guests. It just felt like she was looking down on them and wanted to be anywhere but there. I think she even admitted (or maybe it was her wife) just recently that she feels she's outgrown her shtick but keeps it up for her brand and is actually a really serious person. Although Kate McKinnon adores her so that's one plus in Ellen's favor.

I never realized she treated Mariah Carey this way. How heartbreaking for Mariah and absolutely manipulative of Ellen.
https://twitter.com/MariahCareyES/statu ... 2004601864

This is especially damning.
https://twitter.com/Alethea_Aggiuq/stat ... 9406637056

And it looks like she's not above shaming other comics as well. At least they're honest about their humor.
https://twitter.com/muchbrettah/status/ ... 6778797062

Now, guys...what these people are saying about John Lasseter is pretty bad. I will say, giving him credit where credit is due, and sharing the truth about someone, like the fact they did do some good things I don't have a problem with. But working with the guy after all this and praising him to the extent they have after all this, yeah, I don't agree with that.

I can understand that what Lasseter did doesn't abolish all his achievements but at the same time, I find it dangerous to even offer some praise for him as if saying that "yeah, he harassed women but he can't be all bad if he made Toy Story," almost like that absolves him. Likening him to Hitler may not be particularly apt but it's like those people who try and point out that Hitler wasn't all bad and praise him for what he supposedly did right (looking at you Candace Owens). That just makes me incredibly uncomfortable and like you said, it's not just a little praise that Menken, Musker, and Clements gave him but heaps of it. A one sentence or one word acknowledgement should be the maximum respect they give him, if even that.

[Disney's Divinity]

Same.
And if people thought I'm gonna defend them because of The Little Mermaid, Aladdin or Moana, they couldn't be more wrong. I don't measure People's morality based on how much I like their work or how much they affected my childhood. I used to admire Ellen Degeneres, but I keep hearing awful things about her... What can I say? C'est La Vie

I don't think anyone expected you to do anything; you laid out expectations for other people to react just as harshly as you did. Did someone else accuse you of having double standards or did you do that? I couldn't care less if you defend them or not, since it's not like it's going to change my opinion, but if you're going to act like some almighty Judge over everyone else, the sole authority on morality, how do you expect people to respond? Nobody here answers to you.

[Farerb]

Same.
And if people thought I'm gonna defend them because of The Little Mermaid, Aladdin or Moana, they couldn't be more wrong. I don't measure People's morality based on how much I like their work or how much they affected my childhood. I used to admire Ellen Degeneres, but I keep hearing awful things about her... What can I say? C'est La Vie

I don't think anyone expected you to do anything; you laid out expectations for other people to react just as harshly as you did. Did someone else accuse you of having double standards or did you do that? I couldn't care less if you defend them or not, since it's not like it's going to change my opinion, but if you're going to act like some almighty Judge over everyone else, the sole authority on morality, how do you expect people to respond? Nobody here answers to you.

If you don't care then why do you still keep commenting me?
Also I'm not the one who said what an awful human being LMM is because he wrote something about himself on Twitter or Randy Newman because he dared talking about his accomplishments in an interview. So maybe I'm not the one with the holier than thou attitude here.

[Disney's Divinity]

If you don't care then why do you still keep commenting me?

If you don't want me to respond to you, why do you keep talking about me? If you're going to fire shots at people, they have a right to reply to you. disneyprincess11 also responded to you because they had no idea what you were talking about.

Also I'm not the one who said what an awful human being LMM is because he wrote something about himself on Twitter or Randy Newman because he dared talking about his accomplishments in an interview. So maybe I'm not the one with the holier than thou attitude here.

Well, nobody else accused you of anything, so you must be the one with the attitude. Just like in the Mulan thread, you condemned me for having an opinion you didn't like, not the other way around; I have as much right to post without you attacking me personally, whether or not you like what I say. So this is just some axe to grind for you because you don't like something I've said about people you do like, you don't really give a damn about any of it. I had a feeling it might be considering I posted something about Miranda in the TLM thread the day before. That's sad. Like I said before, I didn't knock Lee or Musker for similar things, so why would I then go after Menken? And I didn't attack Nathan Greno in the past of this thread either. I'm not going to react the way you deem fit just to make it "even" with criticizing somebody else you do like.

[Farerb]

Who said I was talking about you or to you, were you the one posting that old interview of Musker and Clements?!
I honestly don't give a damn about whatever you say, I don't even recall what you said about Miranda in the TLM thread, seems like you're the one who's making it about yourself. Constantly. Even with others like you did with UmbrellaFish in this thread. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
Just FYI I don't particularly care about Miranda and I definitely don't like Newman. I just find it hilarious that you or Sotiris are ready to condemn them on every little thing they do, or calling others at Disney or Pixar "Lasseter's Minions" - I think you were referring to Mark Scanlon or Brad Bird or whatever I don't remember and I don't care enough to search for it. But when it comes to people you like like Jennifer Lee or Menken, well they're fine. And yes I do like Menken, but I'm not going to defend his decision or act as if he's fragile or naive. I can criticize people whose work I like. Loving something or someone unconditionally doesn't mean you love them more, it just means you love them sadder.

[Disney's Divinity]

Who said I was talking about you or to you, were you the one posting that old interview of Musker and Clements?!
I honestly don't give a damn about whatever you say, I don't even recall what you said about Miranda in the TLM thread, seems like you're the one who's making it about yourself. Constantly. Even with others like you did with UmbrellaFish in this thread. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

Honey, you said "Weren't you the people"--don't lie and don't talk down to me like I can't understand exactly what you said. You were looking for an argument and you got what you wanted. You're not going to frighten me off from posting if that's what you're trying to do. I've been through worse people here than you. And FYI, I know it wasn't about me--it was about several of us, just nobody else had the guts to call you on your BS.

I just find it hilarious that you or Sotiris are ready to condemn them on every little thing they do

So can't even get through one post without contradicting the lie above that you weren't talking to or about anyone here.

I'm not going to defend his decision or act as if he's fragile or naive.

Then post your opinion without making it about other posters.

[Farerb]

Oh please... I'm not the one who's looking to argue with people. Evidently by this entire board.

[Sotiris]

Disney's Divinity, you don't need to pick apart everything someone says. It leads to needless arguments and fighting. You were on a good path lately. Let's not ruin that. Farerb, you don't need to shame others for not sharing your opinion or moral code. You can express your views without passing judgment on fellow members.

Now, let's get back on topic, please.