Tangled Discussion - Part V

[Disney's Divinity]

I actually felt Rapunzel and Flynn were just Tiana and Naveen 2.0. Rapunzel was pretty good, but Flynn was just bland. A love story never really works when one of the leads is uninteresting (see nearly all the other princess films, where other storylines dominate for that reason).

Yeah, I also liked The Princess and the Frog more than Tangled. I just found myself more emotionally attached to the characters and story, found it more entertaining, felt it had a stronger villain and *please don't kill me* I liked the songs more.

I felt the same. Personally, Tangled seems best as a stepping point into CG for Disney. They’re getting much better at 3D animation. Characters, songs, and story left a lot to be desired though.

I kind of agree with some review I read that all of Tangled’s repeat of past Disney “princess” tropes feels a little inappropriate. With the whole “50” tag, it seemed like maybe they meant this as some kind of homage, but they kind of already had that with TP&TF and the whole “return of traditional animation” thing. It’s a little overkill. I was just trying to compare Mermaid and B&tB to SW, Cinderella, and SB, but I don’t think they copied the older films very much and their style was completely different, whereas Tangled seems to just copy and paste from the ‘90s fairy tales in a lot of ways.

Not that I hate the film, but it’s hard to believe the huge amount of praise it’s getting from some.

[pap64]

Not that I hate the film, but it’s hard to believe the huge amount of praise it’s getting from some.

The only thing to understand is that some people liked the movie better than others.

Pardon me if I sound blunt, but a while back I decided to not question what people see in a certain movie since the value of a movie lies in the eyes of its viewers. The only thing to do is disagree and move on if the discussion gets tiring.

No, I am not defending Tangled. Yes, I am excited for it, but I can't speak of its quality until I see it. However, I will use Princess and the Frog as an example.

I really liked that movie. I loved the characters, the music really grew on it and the animation was really nice. But I felt the pacing was off, some characters went under developed and some scenes didn't serve a real purpose. But, I refuse to call it the worse Disney film ever made either, because I see how the film could be loved by many. It does have plenty to like about and it is bound to hit the hearts of many. So even if I criticize it I still enjoy it and will defend it if someone claims it is an awful piece of garbage (I mean, when talking about the movie one guy was so outraged when he came to disagreed with me he said "Did YOU see the movie??", to which I replied, "As a matter of fact, I saw it three times".)

The same is happening with Tangled. The general consensus is that its a good movie with a lot of like. Whether its the best ever made or just OK depends on who is watching it and the kind of mentality they bring to the experience.

Again, not bashing you or anything. Just explaining that even if a million see the same movie, there will always be a million different ideas about it, and its the sort of thing you can't think about except just accept it and discuss it when you can.

[phan258]

Not that I hate the film, but it’s hard to believe the huge amount of praise it’s getting from some.

The only thing to understand is that some people liked the movie better than others.

Pardon me if I sound blunt, but a while back I decided to not question what people see in a certain movie since the value of a movie lies in the eyes of its viewers. The only thing to do is disagree and move on if the discussion gets tiring.

No, I am not defending Tangled. Yes, I am excited for it, but I can't speak of its quality until I see it. However, I will use Princess and the Frog as an example.

I really liked that movie. I loved the characters, the music really grew on it and the animation was really nice. But I felt the pacing was off, some characters went under developed and some scenes didn't serve a real purpose. But, I refuse to call it the worse Disney film ever made either, because I see how the film could be loved by many. It does have plenty to like about and it is bound to hit the hearts of many. So even if I criticize it I still enjoy it and will defend it if someone claims it is an awful piece of garbage (I mean, when talking about the movie one guy was so outraged when he came to disagreed with me he said "Did YOU see the movie??", to which I replied, "As a matter of fact, I saw it three times".)

The same is happening with Tangled. The general consensus is that its a good movie with a lot of like. Whether its the best ever made or just OK depends on who is watching it and the kind of mentality they bring to the experience.

Again, not bashing you or anything. Just explaining that even if a million see the same movie, there will always be a million different ideas about it, and its the sort of thing you can't think about except just accept it and discuss it when you can.

I agree, pap64. Thank you. Acting befuddled over someone else's personal opinions is the truly confusing thing in my eyes

[Disney's Divinity]

Again, not bashing you or anything. Just explaining that even if a million see the same movie, there will always be a million different ideas about it, and its the sort of thing you can't think about except just accept it and discuss it when you can.

I get that, of course. But I still feel like there has to be a middle ground. You can't trust the outliers when it comes to movies--there's always someone who is obsessively in love with a movie, and others who absolutely can't stand it.

In a way, I feel completely on the reverse for this film. With TP&TF, everybody was complaining about everything while I mostly enjoyed it, but with Tangled, noone's pointing out any flaws at all. To me, that's just unrealistic. Even with my favorite films, there are always flaws.

[pap64]

Again, not bashing you or anything. Just explaining that even if a million see the same movie, there will always be a million different ideas about it, and its the sort of thing you can't think about except just accept it and discuss it when you can.

I get that, of course. But I still feel like there has to be a middle ground. You can't trust the outliers when it comes to movies--there's always someone who is obsessively in love with a movie, and others who absolutely can't stand it.

In a way, I feel completely on the reverse for this film. With TP&TF, everybody was complaining about everything while I mostly enjoyed it, but with Tangled, noone's pointing out any flaws at all. To me, that's just unrealistic. Even with my favorite films, there are always flaws.

1. I think you are not looking more into the opinions regarding the film. I mean, I have heard people call it very forgettable, that its merely OK, others really enjoyed it. You just have to look, negative opinions are there. I mean, even Toy Story 3, a film that has garnered A MILLION praises from people has gotten some negative reviews. Again, you just have to look.

2. Regarding finding a middle ground, why? It sounds like you want to justify your disappointment of the film by searching other opinions like your own. You don't have to. The fact that you saw it and that you are honest about it should be enough. Like I said, others loved the film, others didn't. Trying to find a middle ground is silly. In fact, you can be the middle ground if you want to.

To add another example, I absolutely loved Burton's Alice, but it is a generally panned film. I realize I am the minority, but I don't need to find a middle ground. I know that I saw enjoyment in that movie, I expressed my thoughts and moved on knowing that I at least enjoyed the movie.

Sorry if I am being rude, but I find it silly how you want to find a middle ground over what is basically opinion. Yes there are people that overhyped the movie and are singing its high praises, but what matters is what you think of it. If you liked Princess and the Frog better then fine, no need to be confused as to why you feel that way.

[Fairytales]

I liked Tangled better.. The animation was more lively and somehow i when i watch Princess and the Frog i can't help but notice almost every scenery is dark and wet and swampy.
I don't like the atmosphere.
Tangled is more fun.
But the thing i did miss with Tangled was Rapunzel exploring everything more. The kingdom part was too short, though i loved it.
The dress shop should've been kept in there.

And am i the only one to wonder what became of the tower?

[Victurtle]

Oooo, the comparison finally starts.

Princess and the Frog was very bland. It wasn't a very fun movie, characters weren't fun, story wasn't fun, songs weren't fun. Of course, not every Disney movie has to be fun, but I felt like it was trying to, but failing.

Also the 2D seemed like a step back, as the CGI in it was very obvious. Tangled heaped like a huge step forward, and for the first time better looking than Pixar's animation. I don't think I've seen any better CGI animation.

I really enjoyed both feels though, and just love how Disney is the only studio trying to feel 'magical', and achieving it. I think I shall buy both of the movies at the same time on BD.

[estefan]

And am i the only one to wonder what became of the tower?

No, I'm wondering as well. While there are likely a lot of painful memories associated with it, there are probably enough great ones that Rapunzel might still come back after a while. Not to mention, she has all of her paintings there.

Of course, I'm just speculating there. I guess, unless it's explained in the deleted scenes or audio commentary or maybe some promotional book, we won't know.

Because, thankfully, Lasseter isn't going to let a Tangled 2 go into production. Though, if we were still in the Michael Eisner era, it would probably revolve around Rapunzel's daughter also having magical hair and Gothel's real daughter seeking revenge or maybe Flynn's son has his father's rap-scallion ways. Those direct-to-video sequels practically write themselves.

[supertalies]

I really hope this movie gets a decent dvd/blu-ray release. At least a 2 disc edition.

Especially since this movie has been in production since '04.

And I LOVED that 'Something that I want' video. It should be the music video or something!

[supertalies]

Whoops...double post

[Mr. Yagoobian]

I'm not going to argue its comparative merits v. other Disney features. I'll simply say that between <i>Princess & the Frog</i> and <i>Tangled</i> it seems to me that quality is trending upwards; I find them both more enjoyable & engaging than anything the studio's released since the mid-90s (<i>Fantasia 200</i> excepted).

I'm a bit disappointed I'm going to have to wait for the home media release to actually *see* the picture, though. I went with family to a 2D showing---figured if the theatre was offering 3D screenings, surely they'd made the transition to digital projection throughout the facility. I was wrong. It was dim, out of focus, and the amount of print damage visible on a film that had been released only about thirty hours earlier was astounding.

[Patrick]

I definitely have a special place in my heart for PatF because I find the leads relationship to be very similar to a friend and mine and we saw the film together. There were a lot of things that I liked about the film and I really felt the characters were so likable. I bought it immediately after it was released and have seen it four or five times since! But.. I've now seen Tangled three times in theaters and I'm pretty swept away with it. I prefer the music and it wasn't hard to be enthralled by the color palettes and art direction. It's really something beautiful to just watch, completely disregarding the story and characters.

I love Mother Gothel and I think she's one of Disneys more interesting villains because I was forced to have an underlying sympathy for her. I don't know.. I think this was a wonderful step into the future of animation for Disney (not that I want them to stop 2D animation at all) and they've really shown both Pixar and Dreamworks where things are going. They keep the "classic Disney feel" and made something new with it. Just my opinion. I loved both Tangled and PatF

[LucilleBallFilms]

They keep the "classic Disney feel" and made something new with it. Just my opinion. I loved both Tangled and PatF

I agree, I LOVE PatF, Saw it probably a million times, but to me Tangled is a better film (to me ), and they're both better than say Meet The Robinsons, Chicken Little, and have that special Disney magic we've been deprived of for so long

[Sotiris]

http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/tangled/#/videos/

look, there's a video of the disney crew (you also see glen keane there) rocking out to something that i want. it's real fun!
i'm guessing they're partying because of the box office!

W00T! I'm pretty sure everyone there is like, "see guys? TOLD YOU!"

That would be me


@wafflenugget: Thank you for all the cool artwork and the great blogs you've posted!

@Mobje: Could you please see if you can find the picture below in HQ?

[Disney Lover]

I seriously LOVED Tangled. One of Disney's best by far. I think it's on par with The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast interms of great story telling, characters and songs.

I want to go see it again but I don't know if I'll get the chance to. I hate how I live 30 minutes away from any good theaters. Sigh.

[Victurtle]

Is there a 'full' version of Something that I want? The soundtrack version cuts offs so quickly The version in the video sounds nicer!

[LucilleBallFilms]

Is there a 'full' version of Something that I want? The soundtrack version cuts offs so quickly The version in the video sounds nicer!

The version on the soundtrack is the full song Several songs end that way, plus I checked and all versions of her song end around the 2:45 mark so it's indeed complete

[Tangled]

Yeah, I also liked The Princess and the Frog more than Tangled. I just found myself more emotionally attached to the characters and story, found it more entertaining, felt it had a stronger villain and *please don't kill me* I liked the songs more.

But, Tangled is great, too.

I disagree. It's your opinion, but I preferedthe characters in Tangled (Tiana was fine, but Naveen seemed like he hadn't changed much at all and their relationship felt forced, but RapunzelXFlynn I loved) and the music better and the animation is amazing for a CGI movie.

But of course, I liked the villain in PatF rather than Tangled better and PatF had much less plot holes, but personally I thought Tangled was a much stronger film (I'm not going to be stubborn and say PatF was MUCH better than Tangled due to the traditional animation. I hate it when people say that one movie is better than another because of how it looks, such as Avatar.)

[LucilleBallFilms]

PatF had much less plot holes

PatF had plot holes out the wazzu that couldn't be explained And most plot holes people have come up with for Tangled i've been able to explain rationally and prove them to not be plot holes, if it did have any I missed, it still certainly didn't have as much as Frogger, I love the film but it's plot holes [Insert Witty Pun Here]. Or wait, was that the failed humor of it I kid the frog movie I'm just sayin, most of Tangled's plot holes haven't been proven to actually be Though this post certainly has some

[toonaspie]

PatF had much less plot holes

PatF had plot holes out the wazzu that couldn't be explained And most plot holes people have come up with for Tangled i've been able to explain rationally and prove them to not be plot holes, if it did have any I missed, it still certainly didn't have as much as Frogger, I love the film but it's plot holes [Insert Witty Pun Here]. Or wait, was that the failed humor of it I kid the frog movie I'm just sayin, most of Tangled's plot holes haven't been proven to actually be Though this post certainly has some

The only real plot hole I found...or the thing I just found confusing was how Rapunzel came to realize that she's the lost princess. When she saw the mosaic in the village I was like "Man, she cant be that daft. Can she?" Even I wouldve had the pieces put together by then. Other plot holes I'm slowly starting to piece together. In both Tangled and The Princess and the Frog, I had no problem with how the magic worked...I know these are fairytales you gotta keep an open mind about what's coming.

One thing though about Tangled is that I was hoping for it to be a little darker...yes I know it's been advertised as a comedy for years but at the last minute I was hoping that it would be of a emotionally complex dark comedy. The fluffiness in the comedy and having Mandy Moore voice Rapunzel were my biggest peeves with the movie.

And now for the music...didnt mind if this was gonna be a musical...but man this has got to be Alan Menken's weakest Disney project to date. None of the songs really flowed with the film nor were they all that catchy or memorable.

Oh and one more thing...you can definitly see the John Lasseter influence in this film. It was hard to get through the opening narration cuz I couldnt stand the quirky narration approach they did with it. Quirky starts to lose its muster with me after a few films.

Well that's most of what I got from a first viewing. After multiple viewings I either start to like the film a little more or hate it. I think this would be the kind of film I would have to watch again to get into a little bit more.