Pinocchio Platinum Edition Discussion Thread

Old Fish Tale · Post by **Old Fish Tale** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:49 pm

He said that?

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:54 pm

Looks like Disney doesn't even know how to present their classic films the way Walt intended them to look. Or they don't care...

gregmasciola · Post by **gregmasciola** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:39 pm

I was kind of afraid this would happen. If you look at the picture of the cover art on page 20 of this discussion, the shot of Pinocchio in the cage does seem a bit bright. But I won't bash it or defend it until I've seen it on my TV.

magicalwands · Post by **magicalwands** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:18 pm

Rudy Matt wrote:When Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston were shown the restored Snow White, the outspoken Ollie had this to say: "Nice colors. Not the colors we used in 1937, but nice."

Does that not mean anything to anyone at Disney? I would be pretty embarrassed to tamper with another's work which has affected so many lives.

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:12 pm

magicalwands wrote:
Rudy Matt wrote:When Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston were shown the restored Snow White, the outspoken Ollie had this to say: "Nice colors. Not the colors we used in 1937, but nice."
Does that not mean anything to anyone at Disney? I would be pretty embarrassed to tamper with another's work which has affected so many lives.

i think all in all though, a few off colors isn't going to effect anyone's perception of the film. A huge case in point is the Snow White PE. The colors are off, but now that you guys have been told it all the sudden changes your opinion?

I'm not defending this practice at all, i have to say. I don't understand if all the extra energy is going into restoring the films why they can't just use the original colors, but then again in some cases the original colors have been kind of lost so it's a bit of a guessing game anyway.

Overall, it's never been that Disney didn't care. If they didn't they'd treat the animated classics like Dreamworks treats all of their older animated works. I have complete faith that they are trying to do what's best for these films, afterall what would be the profit/reward of mistreating them?

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:11 pm

I agree with singerguy04. While it would be nice to see all of the tampered with films restored to their original colors (Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, etc...), it doesn't change the fact that I love those films. I'm still going to watch them. It's the same with OARs for me. There are certain films that I love that I want to own and if the studio isn't going to offer it the way it was meant to be seen, I'm still going to watch the film and enjoy it. I'm just going to complain a lot about why it doesn't meet my standards of a perfect release.

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:35 pm

goofystitch wrote:I agree with singerguy04. I'm just going to complain a lot about why it doesn't meet my standards of a perfect release.

Perfect release of a movie on DVD or Blu Ray?? I didn't know that was even such thing as a Perfect release.....

My theory is...there is no Perfect Release of a movie presented on DVD....now there are good ones and bad ones....and then there are bare bones bad ones...but in my opinion there is no perfect release of a movie to DVD and/or Blu Ray....

I also have another theory...There is no such thing as a normal person....we each are unique....not gray blobs that look alike (refrencing a tv show from Nickelodeon)

one time my elementary teacher asked my mom....well Don't you want your son to be treated normal..(ah early days when teachers thought Asperger Syndrome was a way of cursing)...and she responded......No.....not until you can tell me what Normal is...then let me know and then I'll let you know....

My point being...there is no Perfect Movie..just like there is no such thing as normal......I mean if Walt said okay your right making animation into a feature length film is crazy...i'll play it safe and be "Normal" we probably wouldn't be having this forum called UltimateDisney.....instead it could be called Ultimate Fleischer.com or Ultimate Lantz.com or Ultimate Harvey or UltmateWB....oh you get the idea...

I think Disney right now needs to be more to their roots of Walt...which I would say Disney should be having a phrase like

I honestly think Disney Company should Dare to be Different...take a leap of faith like Walt did with Snow White and Fantasia.....and don't jump the ship too soon...just because the sequel movie didn't make as much money......I.E. Narnia....

Which I think we all in our lives Dare To be Different....man I am just feeling knowledge come into my head since my Grandpa passed away a week ago...maybe he's rubbing off on me...

Big Disney Fan · Post by **Big Disney Fan** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:44 pm

goofystitch wrote:I'm just going to complain a lot about why it doesn't meet my standards of a perfect release.

What do you mean by a perfect release? Will the video quality of the movie echo the look of it as per the 2003 non-U.S. DVD release?

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:06 am

It's all a matter of opinion and personal taste. To me, the Vault Disney edition of Swiss Family Robinson was a perfect release. The film looked and sounded great and the bonus features were insightful and worthwhile. Again, just my own personal opinion.

Big Disney Fan wrote:

What do you mean by a perfect release? Will the video quality of the movie echo the look of it as per the 2003 non-U.S. DVD release?

I wouldn't know. I live in the US and had no access to the non-US release. But video (or in this case color) quality would affect my personal opinion of a perfect release.

After Warner Bros. fixed the initial problems through disc replacements, the 14-disc Ultimate Collector's Edition of the 5 Superman films was a perfect release for me. However, when there were lots of problems with a few of the discs, which included some framing issues when the matting was done, I wasn't so thrilled with it.

Rudy Matt · Post by **Rudy Matt** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:11 am

Look, guys, from what I know, the original YCM restoration from back in...what...1992? That's the version most people know, as it formed the basis of the two American home video releases in 1992 and 1999 (DVD and Video). The release from 1984 is how must of us came to know it on home video, but the version we're most familiar with is the YCM version.

Well, knowing that, the YCM release had its own share of issues...they draatically increased the black levels, often obscuring fine detail in the shadows, and they also amped up the color saturation. I think the way most of us have come to know Pinocchio isn't accurate at all to the original release version.

I've seen the trailer for Pinocchio on Sleeping Beauty, and my jaw was on the floor -- the clarity and color pallette made my head swoon. Out of all the Disney films, the film I've seen the most is Pinocchio -- easily over 100 times, including the theatrical issues in 1978 (with The Small One), the 1984 "Black Cauldron teaser" theatrical release, and the summer 92 release. By far, though, my experience with this film has come via home video. I'm withholding judgement. This may be another case (like Dumbo and Alice in Wonderland) where theblack levels are different from previous incarnations, and certain hues have been dialed back from the what we knew previously.

We'll all have lots to talk about in March, that's for sure!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:21 am

There's also the factor to consider that the restoration was all digital, and done for TV viewing, not theatrical projection. The two methods of display can be different - its only newer TVs that can support the full range of colours. The new restoration is probably "tweaked" for optimal display on these TVs.

Remember even digital displays have differences - most computer monitors are capable of displaying full RGB values (0-255), while most TVs have limited RGB (from about 16-232, the same values as NTSC, if I remember correctly).

So it could easily look a little different on your home displays.

Full RGB explaination with pictures:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852410

See how the Full RGB colours look more defined and brighter and "wrong" if your used to the Limited RGB display? See how the limited RGB display looks "older" and probably more "classic" while the full RGB display looks "newer" and "modern"? Despite both being exactly the same image - just displayed with different colour ranges?

Presumably theatrical showings (be they digital or on film) would display the full RGB range of colour. and therefore be both darker AND lighter than you're used to on home video showings.

CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:07 pm

As a 80s/90s kid I never really got to see MOST of the classics, sure I saw Snow White and Sleeping Beauty (I think), but it's been such a treat with these platinums to relive some of these things as an adult(if you can call me that yet ;p).

I honestly think this is the ONLY Disney Classic I've never seen even briefly, I hope it's good.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:14 pm

goofystitch wrote:It's all a matter of opinion and personal taste. To me, the Vault Disney edition of Swiss Family Robinson was a perfect release. The film looked and sounded great and the bonus features were insightful and worthwhile. Again, just my own personal opinion.

ITA, goofystitch. It's easily the best of the nine Vault Disney DVDs (the four with the actual banner, the two 2-disc sets, and the three cutdown DVDs) and I can't imagine how they could ever really improve upon it except to make it high-definition for Blu-Ray and add a pop-up trivia track.

Also, everyone knows the only truly perfect DVD from Disney is Atlantis: The Lost Empire: Two-Disc Collector's Edition.

CampbellzSoup wrote:it's been such a treat with these platinums to relive some of these things as an adult(if you can call me that yet ;p).

CampbellzSoup is an adult.

albert

CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:13 pm

I'm 22

oldness

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:17 pm

I'm 23. Olderness.

Besides, as the deleted song goes: you're never too old to be young!

albert

SpringHeelJack · Post by **SpringHeelJack** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:41 am

I'm 21! You can all envy my youth! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BelleGirl · Post by **BelleGirl** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:10 pm

CampbellzSoup wrote:I'm 22 oldness

What about me? I'm 40!

But you are never to old to watch Pinocchio!

Flanger-Hanger · Post by **Flanger-Hanger** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:57 pm

SpringHeelJack wrote:I'm 21! You can all envy my youth! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Envy my recently turned 18.

stewie15 · Post by **stewie15** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:57 pm

Im 16 so i feels really young compared to you guys. Sometimes I feel like im too young when you guys have your intense Disney aspect ratio debates and arguments over the restorations. And im like wtf whats going on

SpringHeelJack · Post by **SpringHeelJack** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:02 pm

Flanger-Hanger wrote:
SpringHeelJack wrote:I'm 21! You can all envy my youth! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Envy my recently turned 18.

Baby, I do.

Actually, but then I couldn't buy liquor legally. And then how I would make my specialty drink, the Flaming Beeyotch?

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