Next wave of Walt Disney Treasures? Update: Future In Doubt

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Escapay wrote:Wave 7:
Chronological Donald, Volume 3 (1947-1951)
Spin & Marty, Volume 2 (1956, "The Further Adventures of Spin & Marty")
Hardy Boys, Volume 2 (1957, "The Mystery of the Ghost Farm")
Elfego Baca Volume 2 (remaining 7 episodes)

Wave 8:
Chronological Donald, Volume 4 (1952-1967)
Spin & Marty, Volume 3 (1957, "The New Adventures of Spin & Marty")
Swamp Fox Volume 2 (remaining 5 episodes)
--Some other Treasures Set that has yet to be explored...Disney Rarites Volume 2, maybe? It could include the other known Alice shorts in circulation, along with Susie the Blue Coupe, Casey Bats again, a few well-known educational shorts, etc.

Also, like they did with Davy Crockett later on, I can see the Elfego Baca series re-released in its movie form ("Elfego Baca: Six Gun Law") in a non-Treasures DVD.

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I understand the logic of your Waves...does anyone know what the best selling titles have been? I'm asking because I'm assuming that more people buy the animated shorts Treasures than ones featuring Spin & Marty, Elfego Baca, etc. I could be completely wrong. Don't they usually have at least 2 animated titles?

And, is there not already a Disney Rarities vol. 2? I was thinking the other day that there was one...I'm probably wrong, though.
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blackcauldron85 wrote:
Escapay wrote:Wave 7:
Chronological Donald, Volume 3 (1947-1951)
Spin & Marty, Volume 2 (1956, "The Further Adventures of Spin & Marty")
Hardy Boys, Volume 2 (1957, "The Mystery of the Ghost Farm")
Elfego Baca Volume 2 (remaining 7 episodes)

Wave 8:
Chronological Donald, Volume 4 (1952-1967)
Spin & Marty, Volume 3 (1957, "The New Adventures of Spin & Marty")
Swamp Fox Volume 2 (remaining 5 episodes)
--Some other Treasures Set that has yet to be explored...Disney Rarites Volume 2, maybe? It could include the other known Alice shorts in circulation, along with Susie the Blue Coupe, Casey Bats again, a few well-known educational shorts, etc.

Also, like they did with Davy Crockett later on, I can see the Elfego Baca series re-released in its movie form ("Elfego Baca: Six Gun Law") in a non-Treasures DVD.

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I understand the logic of your Waves...does anyone know what the best selling titles have been? I'm asking because I'm assuming that more people buy the animated shorts Treasures than ones featuring Spin & Marty, Elfego Baca, etc. I could be completely wrong. Don't they usually have at least 2 animated titles?

And, is there not already a Disney Rarities vol. 2? I was thinking the other day that there was one...I'm probably wrong, though.
I always assumed animated titles sold better than live-action, but I was merely basing those waves on what needs to be finished of the current six waves rather than what would actually sell in the waves. I can easily see the Spin & Marty or Hardy Boys sets be released as non-Treasures, as they are TV shows, so they could be excluded in favor of other animated releases (I wouldn't mind the double-dip-of-mega-proportions like Chip'n'Dale: The Complete Collection). The Baca/Swamp Fox sets would be better suited as Treasures, since it seems there's a limited audience for it. And given their remaining episodes, I saw it fit to separate them instead of have two more waves of the two shows.

There's been only one Disney Rarities (wave 5), though there's enough material in the Disney Archives to provide additional volumes.

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I disagree with the premise that everything that could and should be in the Treasures series could be wrapped-up in two waves.

There are tons of great things that need out of the Disney Vault, including all of the great original animation from the TV series (Ludwig, etc). Not to mention live-action. There's a lot of cool stuff getting lost in the shuffle (see above wish lists).

Leonard at least knows what the films are.

Without him, who is going to champion title selection for Legacy? Look what happens with the standard live-action features and extras and cartoon comps - - even the masters selected - - they are sorely lacking as a rule.
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Hey Luke! :idea:

You might do another Maltin interview and ask him specifically for his 'crystal ball' vision/opinion of the future of Disney's classic releases on DVD.

He's got to have some 'inside' info, if not downright "influence"!

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merlinjones wrote:I disagree with the premise that everything that could and should be in the Treasures series could be wrapped-up in two waves.
I don't think anyone here is saying that everything which could be in the Treasures will be wrapped up in 2 waves, only that everything that has already been started and should be finished could be taken care of in 2 years' worth of releases.

Of course, we'd all love to see the series go on and there have been numerous threads with people's wish lists, but what we're really pulling for, if they have decided to end-of-life this line, is to at least finish what they started.
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MikeyMouse wrote:
merlinjones wrote:I disagree with the premise that everything that could and should be in the Treasures series could be wrapped-up in two waves.
I don't think anyone here is saying that everything which could be in the Treasures will be wrapped up in 2 waves, only that everything that has already been started and should be finished could be taken care of in 2 years' worth of releases.

Of course, we'd all love to see the series go on and there have been numerous threads with people's wish lists, but what we're really pulling for, if they have decided to end-of-life this line, is to at least finish what they started.
Yes, that's what I was trying to say in my earlier post. But you explained it better, MikeyMouse! :D

Anyway, I never said that my premise was set in stone. It's merely a guess on my part, based on TheDigitalBits reporting that there are two more waves in development. I'm basically assuming from that report that the next two waves could possibly be the last two waves, since I'm more inclined to believe the reports that the Treasures are over, or at least they've been notified of only two waves left. And it would make sense (at least to me), that if there were two waves left, they'd at least try and commit themselves to finishing the unfinished series like Donald, Spin & Marty, Elfego Baca, etc.

But I also pointed out that some sets that started as Treasures (Spin & Marty, Hardy Boys), could get a non-Treasures release, therefore opening slots to other releases, including suggestions in the wishlists posted here. Wave 7 could simply be Donald Volume 3, and 3 entirely different Treasures sets. I mean, for all we know, Disney could decide to re-release early Treasures waves in new Legacy Collection packages, without the limited quantities. Would that make them any less valuable just because they're under a different marketing banner?

Also, this is just an observation on my part, but I think some people are putting too much reliance on Maltin to choose and deliver good material for DVD releases, making him as messianic as Walt Disney when it comes to vintage materials. Was Maltin involved in the spectacular Vault Disney releases from 2002? Or the equally impressive Snow White: Platinum Edition, Fantasia Anthology, or Bambi: Platinum Edition?

Yes, the Treasures were his pet project, his baby that allowed us to see such great and rare material, but come on, saying that Disney can't put together a good DVD series without him is ridiculous. How much input did Maltin have with the Legacy Collection? Technical errors aside (Prowlers/Secrets of Life), those four sets are still some of the most impressive for vintage Disney Material, and people are treating the brand name "Legacy Collection" as an inferior one to "Walt Disney Treasures" simply because Maltin isn't behind it.

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Disney has let it leak for a couple of years that they would not go any farther than eight waves.

As I see it

Wave 7 Rarities Volume 2
Donald Volume 3

Wave 8 Donald Volume 4
Best of the Educational Shorts


The live action stuff is too hard to guess at because there are two many possibilites. I would doubt they are going to do Volume 2s of anything as has been suggested but there are the following Mickey Mouse Club serials that have not been touched and we seem to have one of those every wave now.

Corky and White Shadow,
Walt Disney presents Annette,
Adventures in Dairyland,

We can also hope for our Song of the South/So Dear to my Heart paring although I am not sure they would sell those two for the price of a Treasure.
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In a perfect world, I think Escapay's list of releases would be awesome. It would fullfill the collections we have all started. I think it would be weird to see the two MMC serials already released finished off as part of the Legacy Collection or as stand alone DVDs. Same goes for Elfego Baca and The Swamp Fox. I would love to see those completed through the Treasures line just for continuitys sake. However, it would be amazing if the other MMC serials mentioned became part of the Legacy Collection, which also appears to be having more frequent releases than the Treasures. Let's face it, there is a ton of material in the Disney vault and it can't all be released through the Treasures line. But if the Legacy Collection averages 2 waves a year, we can get our hands on more of it than we normally could. I'm sure that whatever ends up being released in the next/last 2 waves will be great. I've loved every other Treasure, so I'm sure I'll love whatever is released through the series.
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goofystitch wrote:In a perfect world, I think Escapay's list of releases would be awesome. It would fullfill the collections we have all started.
Yay, someone agrees/understand my strange train of thought!

And, continuing in that vein, a random thought when making a reply in another thread led to this analogy that I think best could explain the Treasures/Legacy debate:

I think of the Treasures and the Legacy Collection as Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

Star Trek: TNG ran from 1987 to 1994
Star Trek: DS9 ran from 1992 to 1999

There was that overlap of 2 years because they knew that one series was going to finish soon, and so they had the audience adjust/adapt/move on by having another series start up as well. Not necessarily a replacement, but a successor.

The Walt Disney Treasures ran from 2000 to presumable 2008
The Legacy Collection began its run in 2006

Once again, we've got that overlap, as one series finishes up, and another similar one succeeds it, providing the same type of material, only under a different name.

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Mr. Toad wrote:Disney has let it leak for a couple of years that they would not go any farther than eight waves.
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I have seen at least two interviews. One was with Leonard Maltin who said how far his contact ran and how far the series could run(that was after Wave 4) he said it could go to Wave 8, which makes all kinds of sense given the volume of animated material left.

I think the other comments were by Bill Cotter last summer where he layed out six animated volumes that could still be released - Silly Simphonies, V2, Pluto V2, Donald V3&V4, Rarities V2 and Educational shorts.
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Mr. Toad wrote:We can also hope for our Song of the South/So Dear to my Heart paring although I am not sure they would sell those two for the price of a Treasure.
Maybe they will be released in some fashion similar to what happened with Elfego Baca and the Swamp Fox.
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Escapay wrote:Luke sez Maltin and Bossert sez No more Treasures :down: ???
We're using all these folks' "opinions" like a drunk uses a lamp post...

More for SUPPORT...than for ILLUMINATION.

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TheGreatOz wrote:We're using all these folks' "opinions" like a drunk uses a lamp post...

More for SUPPORT...than for ILLUMINATION.
Hah! Hey, at this point we're hanging our hats on whatever we can!
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Mr. Toad wrote:We can also hope for our Song of the South/So Dear to my Heart paring although I am not sure they would sell those two for the price of a Treasure.
Maybe they will be released in some fashion similar to what happened with Elfego Baca and the Swamp Fox.
I don't see why Disney would release SOTS & SDTMH together. SDTMH isn't controversial...Is there even enough bonus material that exists/could be made to have the movie come out in a 2-disc set? I'd love to see both of those on DVD sometime, but I'm not sure if together would be the best way. Although, if they were sold together, I'd buy it and be happy.
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Big Disney Fan wrote:
Mr. Toad wrote:We can also hope for our Song of the South/So Dear to my Heart paring although I am not sure they would sell those two for the price of a Treasure.
Maybe they will be released in some fashion similar to what happened with Elfego Baca and the Swamp Fox.
Why would they release part of a movie? At least that is what I think you mean. I just cant see Song of the South being paired with another movie when they could likely get about the same price for a two disc Song of the South release all by itself.
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If Disney wants to "test the waters" with Song of the South, they should release the animated segments as something like "Br'er Rabbit's Tales" and see if that draws any controversy. I'm pretty sure that idea's been tossed back and forth around UD for years.

Plus, that way young viewers won't be scarred for life by the offensive lace collar of Johnny! ;)

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MikeyMouse wrote:
TheGreatOz wrote:We're using all these folks' "opinions" like a drunk uses a lamp post...

More for SUPPORT...than for ILLUMINATION.
Hah! Hey, at this point we're hanging our hats on whatever we can!
Amen to that! :up: :up: :up:
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MikeyMouse wrote:...we're hanging our hats on whatever we can!
Hey dancin' Willie :D...here's another hat hook for you...

Years ago, I was in a VW Beetle car club in LA with a Disney employee/collector. I was anxiously awaiting B/W Mickey and the first Silly Treasures. He says to me, "We're going to follow those "limited editions" with a less expensive version of them without the numbered tin box when those sell out. The tin is just perceived value." That idea must have gotten lost in the corporate turmoil that was to follow.

Six years later, I still can't get his remark out of my head.

What would you say to Di$ney continuing the 2-DVD releases...without the tin box, without the 'limited edition,' without Maltin, and without the name "Treasures"?

Has this possibility been considered? 8)
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I'd say let's wait and see! But it sounds like a plan...

I still like Leonard, though... :cry:
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