Frozen: Part V

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qindarka wrote:What's there to explain? Pretty self-explanatory, ain't it? :?
The :? was not directed to what was said but who said it. Who is this "notqindarka @definitelynotqindarka" fellow? I've checked Twitter and such an account doesn't exist. It's odd they're using your username in their name. Is it someone you know?
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Victurtle wrote:Personally I'm not sure what the benefit is in hyping a movie too far in advance. And for that matter, what is wrong with 'shoving it' in our faces 2 months in advance. Remember we are Disney fans and actively seek this material. The majority of the audience doesn't, and probably have very little knowledge of the film before entering the cinema.

And I think Disney is being cautious, people had a tendency for attacking Disney films on hypothesized PC grounds, which Disney can't defend having not completed the film yet. Limiting advertisement to an appropriate time limits the effects of such criticism. Given huge storyline changes occur so frequently during production, I'm not too sure why Disney lets plot synopsis into the public early in production.
I don't recall Disney "shoving" WiR & Tangled in our faces 2 months in advance. Both those films had their content released in a more timely manner. A short 30sec teaser for Tangled was released online & on the P&tF DVD in March 2010. WHile WiR had no teaser trailer, there was a video of a mock-up "Fix-it Felix Jr." recorded from D23 2011 on youtube, still there now. Both films released their official trailers on June 6 & 10 in their respective years.

Frozen's first trailer "leaked of course" with Chris Buck was pulled offline hours after it leaked & has not been seen since. The Olaf teaser would have been perfect released on the WiR DVD instead of in theaters with MU, giving people a wrong impression of the film. Why release the 1st official trailer for Frozen 60 days before release? Both Tangled/WiR had their 2nd trailers released at that time.
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Sotiris wrote:
qindarka wrote:What's there to explain? Pretty self-explanatory, ain't it? :?
The :? was not directed to what was said but who said it. Who is this "notqindarka @definitelynotqindarka" fellow? I've checked Twitter and such an account doesn't exist. It's odd they're using your username in their name. Is it someone you know?
Alright, it was a joke. I purposely inserted a fabricated negative opinion among the other positive ones for the fun of it. Also wanted to make it fairly obvious it was fake as not to truly mislead anyone and so I mentioned explicitly that it was most definitely not me who came up with that quote. Evidently, I seem to have failed miserably.

And I'm not blaming anyone, it is my fault. Very easy to forget how difficult it is to communicate these sort of things through text.
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qindarka wrote:
Sotiris wrote: The :? was not directed to what was said but who said it. Who is this "notqindarka @definitelynotqindarka" fellow? I've checked Twitter and such an account doesn't exist. It's odd they're using your username in their name. Is it someone you know?
Alright, it was a joke. I purposely inserted a fabricated negative opinion among the other positive ones for the fun of it. Also wanted to make it fairly obvious it was fake as not to truly mislead anyone and so I mentioned explicitly that it was most definitely not me who came up with that quote. Evidently, I seem to have failed miserably.

And I'm not blaming anyone, it is my fault. Very easy to forget how difficult it is to communicate these sort of things through text.
So you lied! Like Disney did regarding those leaked posters from last February? Shame on you Qindarka :P
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qindarka wrote: Would really have liked opinions from Stitch Kingdom, especially since the person running it wasn't too fond of the junior novel, been taking the embargo rather seriously though.
Since I found out that they were going to watch the movie, I've been waiting patiently for their opinion.. T____T
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BTW...

Did anyone notice the lip-synch problem in the latest clip? It's when Anna says: "But I didn't"

:D I've seen the clip so many times...
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taei wrote:BTW...

Did anyone notice the lip-synch problem in the latest clip? It's when Anna says: "But I didn't"

:D I've seen the clip so many times...
I think I did, but I was waiting for someone to point it out. :lol:

Also, I'm still watching the clip where Elsa and Anna argue and Elsa's powers are revealed. Such a well written scene and Beck's music here is really rising to the tension (I was concered on Beck as a Disney composer and so far he's doing a fantastic job) and Hans's ball outfit is really good to the point that I want to wear that for Halloween.

This might as well be shaping up to becoming another great Disney movie and I still can't get over the fact that we have 9 songs in Frozen over Tangled's mere 6 songs.
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qindarka wrote:Would really have liked opinions from Stitch Kingdom, especially since the person running it wasn't too fond of the junior novel, been taking the embargo rather seriously though.
Really? What didn't they like about it? Did they say?
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PrincessElsa wrote:
qindarka wrote:Would really have liked opinions from Stitch Kingdom, especially since the person running it wasn't too fond of the junior novel, been taking the embargo rather seriously though.
Really? What didn't they like about it? Did they say?
Didn't really go into detail about it. Only mentioned that they were worried about another upcoming film based on the story playing with the true love's kiss thing.
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DisneyEra wrote:
tomakpo wrote:Anyway, if Frozen doesn't win an Oscar, Tangled didn't win an Oscar but it was amazing. Hunchback was a "flop", didn't win a thing, but it was awesome. Of course, It'd nice to see Frozen winning something because it may deserve it (It can also win because of one of the songs), but if it doesn't, well, If I like the movie that's enough for me.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/cha ... 996&p=.htm
HoND was the 5th highest grossing film worldwide in '96. How is that a flop?
He meant that "Hunchback" was a flop in terms of the Oscar nominations, not that it was a literal flop. Heck, even I understood that.
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Edthehyena wrote:Clues of WWMLB and MKB in the score tracks ? My god where ?! I've been patiently and vainly listening to the COMPLETE TANGLED SCORE ( available on youtube), in search for such motives...
Tracks like "horse with no rider", "Kingdom dance" and "Realization/Escape/Tear Heals" are pure bliss. But the rest is very anonymous.
As for the songs, WWMLB reprise, MKB reprise and the magic incantation are three gems, but the other songs are a bit weak (except I see the light). Anyway, just cant' wait to hear Beck's work :drool: :pink: :pink: :pink: , even more than the Lopez songs... By the way, i just hope the extra score tracks on CD 2 are not piano un-interesting demos. Wiki says they're not real score but score not used in the real movie :eyebrow:
Sorry, I told you the melody of "Mother Knows Best" was used in the soundtrack and I was mistaken. I listened to the score tracks again and couldn’t find any references to that song in them. But you can hear “When Will My Life Begin?” on track 18 (The Tear Heals) at 6:57. “Healing Incantation” is in the prologue and on track 18 at 1:25, 3:00, 5:53 and 6:40. And “I See the Light” is on track 16 (Return to Mother) at 0:10 and on track 17 (Realization and Escape) at 2:48 apart from in “The Tear Heals”.

They are all brief segments. Some of them are parts of the songs combined, something Alan Menken likes to do in his scores and I think he’s very good at it.

About Frozen, I like that Christophe Beck is incorporating the melodies of the songs in the score too. I think that makes a soundtrack more cohesive.

We can listen to some of his work in the clips and maybe in the teaser trailer if that’s what the following track from the second disc means:

10) The Ballad of Olaf & Sven (Score Demo / Teaser Trailer) (1:35) – Christophe Beck
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D82 wrote:On the same post from Playbill.com where the latest Frozen trailer was exclusively released, Ciarán Hinds is mentioned as part of the voice cast.
Was that already known? Does anybody know what character is he voicing?
besides main mens voices, there are other three minor characters: The King, Kai & Pabi [?] (if I remember correctly) :wink:
Who are Kai and Pabi? Are they trolls or the duke's henchmen?

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D82 wrote:Who are Kai and Pabi? Are they trolls or the duke's henchmen?
Pabi is a troll, so i am assuming that Kai is too
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Do u think Kai is a tribute to... Kay ? :wink:
D 82 : so many thanx for all your wonderful detailed informations ! That's the way i love score analysis ! I'm gonna give Tangled score a new try.

What is really strange to me, is the presence of those " Beck demos " on CD 2.

Are they :

- just bare piano rough versions ?
- music for deleted scenes ( but pieces like "meet olaf" and "oaken" tell me it's not the case ) ?
- earlier versions for the movie they did not use because Beck wrote better stuff after that ( and in that case, why don't they give us the best real ones ??)
- real extra score tracks ?
I am confused. I really hope it's good real beautiful orchestra stuff. With a 2cd pack like that one, it would be a real shame if not : when watching the movie in december, i don't want to hear wonderful stuff that i would not find on one of the cds... :|
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Defientely. Oh, info about the music video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CG40nb-a9Y[/youtube]
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Stitch Kingdom is attending some presentation and is doing a series of tweets on aspects of production.
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DisneyFan09 wrote:
DisneyEra wrote: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/cha ... 996&p=.htm
HoND was the 5th highest grossing film worldwide in '96. How is that a flop?
He meant that "Hunchback" was a flop in terms of the Oscar nominations, not that it was a literal flop. Heck, even I understood that.
So because HoND didn't get 6 Oscar nods like B&tB, it's a flop? P&tF had 3 Oscar nods, we saw how that turned out.
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He meant that "Hunchback" was a flop in terms of the Oscar nominations, not that it was a literal flop. Heck, even I understood that.
So because HoND didn't get 6 Oscar nods like B&tB, it's a flop? P&tF had 3 Oscar nods, we saw how that turned out.[/quote]

Ask the person who wrote the message. And he wrote "flop" with signs.
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Edthehyena: You’re welcome! I’m glad you’ll give Tangled score another try.

Regarding Frozen soundtrack, there are a lot of score tracks on disc 1, more than what we usually get, so it should contain the entire score or at least most of it.
About the demos on disc 2, I suppose they are stuff not used in the film like the songs on that disc are. But I don’t know if they are fully orchestrated or not. Song demos are usually played on piano, but score demos could be different. Maybe if they were cut or replaced late in production, they could’ve been recorded with the orchestra. Anyway, we’ll find out when they release samples of the tracks.
Speaking of the soundtrack, there’s one thing from the track list that I don’t understand. What does “source score” mean?
22) Coronation Band Suite (Source Score) (1:34) – Christophe Beck
disneyprincess11 wrote:Pabi is a troll, so i am assuming that Kai is too
I wonder if there's a troll called Gerda too. :P
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Via Stitch Kingdom.
From the Disney Frozen press event in NYC, here’s a live demo of ‘Hot Hot Ice’ originally written for Olaf as performed by Robert Lopez and Kristen Anderson-Lopez.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLGx6GjZPg[/youtube]
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Cute!
I saw a Frozen prescreening last night.

(They didn’t say I couldn’t talk about it sooooo here we go.)

Pros:
-The movie had one or two good songs, the main “thematic” song done stunningly by Idina Menzell (or Demi Lovato has a version? idk).
-It featured three of my favorite actors, Idina, Kristen Bell, and Alan Tudyk.
-The snowman was actually better than I thought he was going to be. Way, way better.
-The ice and snow animation was beautiful.
-The overall message is accepting what’s inside you and using it to your advantage, not stifling your talents because they’re not “normal”.

Cons:
-The majority of the songs seemed like filler? Like not up to the usual Disney par. They seemed to try to bring out some of the silliness that we enjoyed in Tangled, but it fell flat.
-A lot of the animation was thoroughly underwhelming. I feel like they played it very, very safe, even with the background characters/setting, which lacked the detail usually found.
-The original Snow Queen myth was very empowering in that it had the female protagonist saving the main male character. This is not the case in Frozen, though the female protagonist is brave and does do the savey thing.
-THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON OF COLOR THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MOVIE. I tried to look in the background, because there are FOREIGN DIGNITARIES visiting throughout 99% of the film. Not a single one was a person of color, as far as I could tell. Massively disappointing. I didn’t know there was an area of the world that was exclusively white, even in fantasy.

Honestly overall I found it pretty disappointing. Disney played it hella safe and to reuse a phrase, Frozen was plainly underwhelming. They could have taken a lot more chances with both the animation and, of course, the casting. It won’t be a movie I actively seek out to watch again, unlike Tangled or The Princess and the Frog or other contemporary Disney “classics”. However, I will say that the main song is terribly catchy and you won’t be able to get it out of your head for days, and I will be downloading that.
(Maybe they’ll fix it in post-post-post-production? I mean, it comes out in a month. They have… time…? I’m unconvinced.)

http://arsenikitty.tumblr.com/post/6517 ... last-night
If she doesn't like it, fine. But, the lack of POC? Really?
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