Lady and The Tramp Diamond Edition Blu-Ray in 2012!

[SWillie!]

But you can't download the files from a streaming service... Or at least not that I know of. That's the point of streaming. You're playing the file that exists somewhere else.

The negative, as we agreed, is the fact that you don't own a physical disc. This really only affects collectors like us. The positive is that you can literally watch the film anywhere without having to carry anything with you.

We'll have to agree to disagree and see what happens in the next couple years. I honestly believe that Disney Studio All Access will change a lot of people's minds.

[Disney Duster]

I'm saying downloading it would be better.

And no it doesn't just affect collectors like us. Who doesn't want to feel more like they own something? Not just collectors?

The real reason this is bad is because of the whole shift of things going from organic physical nature to just existing in digital and electronic space. And this is among the beginning of it.

Forgive me because I mean absolutely no condescension when I say this, but I think your excitement for the new All Access thing, and everyone in the world's general desire for new, new, shiny, easy, new, is clouding what I pointed out above. Do we really want all our stuff hooked up to something floating in cyberspace that is/can be controlled and interfered with by people other than us?

[Super Aurora]

The real reason this is bad is because of the whole shift of things going from organic physical nature to just existing in digital and electronic space. And this is among the beginning of it.

Since when was a dvd/blu ray disc classified as an ORGANIC object......?

[Victurtle]

^LOL.

DD, If you want to live an 'organic', 'natural' lifestyle, then do so. Billions of people do, not everyone lives on the internet. It is not as if technological advancements are replacing real life, they co-exist. Rather people choose to engage in one more than the other.

The thing with modern technology is that it allows you to move around. Enjoy movies in the palm of your hand whilst your at the beach. Get you outside your room and enjoy both the fresh air and fresh music on the spot, without all the hassles of getting it onto your phone or mp3 player in the first place.

I don't really see whats so 'organic' about sitting in the dark staring mindlessly at a screen either.

[SWillie!]

Duster, most people these days don't have that sense of wanting to 'own' something... So yeah, I really think the collectors are really the only ones who care about that. I mean, we live in an age where a huge chunk of people listen to their music on YouTube or pandora, without owning any of it. Give people the option to do the same thing with their movies, and I think most will jump on it.

So, to answer your question... Yes, I do want my belongings hooked up to something floating cyberspace where I don't have to worry about it and I can access it all from anywhere in the world.

[Elladorine]

Guys, I could be wrong here but I'm guessing that Duster meant to explain he wanted something "tangible" and came up with "organic" instead.

And while I'm here, I must admit I like having my tangible collection too. But for me personally, there has to be a limit. To be honest one of my initial reasons for upgrading from VHS to DVD back in the day was the issue of limited space. Although I've held onto a handful of VHS's, my DVD/Blu-ray collection takes up so much less space. I also ripped all my CD's into MP3 files back in 2007 because of the space issue; I no longer own any CD's (aside from my case of anime discs) and literally haven't bought one in years. There's just . . . I dunno, way too much stuff in my life as it is when it comes to material possessions and I look for any way that I can to de-clutter.

We can say we don't feel like we "own" something without the physical box or disc in our hands, but to me the most important thing is being able to enjoy the media that tapes and discs have always brought us, not to confuse it for the increasingly archaic storage devices they've been issued on. And if I can access my favorite movies, music, TV shows, etc. without having to buy a hard copy that has to be inserted into a player, that's all kinds of awesome in my book. That's why I love my iPhone, which allows me to not only to listen to my music and watch videos wherever I happen to be, but allows me to sample and enjoy material I don't already own thanks to the likes of Youtube. That's why I love being able to create basically an infinite number of playlists of any songs I want, in any order I want, which I can play in a stereo or my car even without being tied to my phone. That's why I love how my TV has apps so I can stream/rent TV shows and movies from Netflix, Hulu Plus, Vudu, and much more. It's why I don't bother having cable or satellite anymore, and have no need to visit a video store for rentals. And it's also why I'm excited about the upcoming All Access. I used to feel anxieties toward the concept of everything switching over to digital, but I'm ready to embrace it. Those "digital bits of nothingness" that people keep complaining about are anything but! Digital streaming and downloading still allows us to enjoy the media, adding convenience, saving time/energy and space, and even helps the environment since you don't have to worry about physical copies.

The world is changing, and there's a reason that companies and customers are gravitating toward digital. It's not only better that Disney change with it, but that they find a way to lead the pack.

[CampbellzSoup]

I'm over reading this conversation - the debate is taking time away from dicussing the classic which really only gets discussed between us when a new release comes out.

Lady and the Tramp is without a doubt a Disney classic. Also being a kid, I don't think I really appreciated the love story behind it. I think as much as we love Disney hereos; we love to hate our Disney villians as well. It also didn't have the broadway songs/sounds that the Disney "i knew" growing up with as a child.

It seems as though in this film tramp kind of plays our hero and villian and Lady's emotions seem to be what conveys this. He goes from being the anti hero, to potientially being a player to Lady, and even a true hero by helping her save the baby.

I also can appreicate the music much more now, a very charming soundtrack which really made me love this film.

All in all I think being older I can appreicate more of the older Disney films. Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty I didn't care too muc hfor as a child, however seeing it older and through a new medium makes me appreicate it that much more.

I also still can't get over how amazing this classic looks on my HDTV along with the sound on my sound system. I know that some people hate the upgrading to Disney Blu Ray's, however it really is quote a sight to see. I'm also glad it came in a combo back as the blu ray is at my house, and when I took this to my mothers she had a DVD player.

All and all I love this release, and just wish there were more marketing behind it.

*Like with every Disney release I pick up a plush from the Disney store to commerate the Diamond editions I got Lady and the Tramp it was buy one get one free

[SWillie!]

Ohhh enigmawing. So elegant, so wonderful.

As always

[The_Iceflash]

I how how there are suddenly all these problems with actually owning a physical copy. For many decades people had physical collections of music and movies. Now suddenly people can't have them because of space and it's an inconvenience obtaining it not through downloads/streaming? Since when did physical copies become such an inconvenience? If anything, the average home is bigger than it was decades ago (so why the magical space issue, which isn't the first time I heard it so I'm generally speaking), and it's easier finding the physical copies than before (through Amazon and such) with better quality than streaming or downloading. I've yet so see anything convincing as to why that should replace physical copies. Co-existing, sure. Out-right taking over? Too many cons including the lack of owning (you don't own when you stream). I know this is a more rent/lease oriented world and I don't get why comparing the price of rent/leasing over a mortgage/loan but I would take owning any day. Like I said earlier, convenience is overrated. People weren't inconvenienced for decades before. Suddenly we have a problem with physical formats? I don't buy it one bit. Plus on top of that we're deliberately ignoring the quality of the material. We're settling for lower quality for a convenience that's unimportant and overrated. Quite sad.

[SWillie!]

We're not ignoring the quality issue. As I've said countless number of times in this thread - the quality of streaming has increased a TON over the last two years, and it is safe to assume that it will continue to do so. There is nothing to tell us that we won't be streaming 1080p in two or three years.

And I don't think anyone is really saying that physical copies are some huge inconvenience like you seem to believe. It's just that an online copy is MORE convenient. If there came along some form of transportation that was faster, more affordable, and more convenient that did the same job that cars do today, would you continue to own a car? It's not that cars would be wildly inconvenient - we've been using them for decades. But the new form of transportation is MORE convenient, and so the majority of society would switch. Not to get AWAY from the old, but to embrace the new.

[The_Iceflash]

We're not ignoring the quality issue. As I've said countless number of times in this thread - the quality of streaming has increased a TON over the last two years, and it is safe to assume that it will continue to do so. There is nothing to tell us that we won't be streaming 1080p in two or three years.

And I don't think anyone is really saying that physical copies are some huge inconvenience like you seem to believe. It's just that an online copy is MORE convenient. If there came along some form of transportation that was faster, more affordable, and more convenient that did the same job that cars do today, would you continue to own a car? It's not that cars would be wildly inconvenient - we've been using them for decades. But the new form of transportation is MORE convenient, and so the majority of society would switch. Not to get AWAY from the old, but to embrace the new.

It's still renting and not owning. It's NOT more affordable. The price to buy an album on iTunes and such are essentially the same as buying it in physical form. I've actually seen sales where you can buy the CDs new on Amazon for cheaper than what iTunes was charging! It's a no brainer. I can get most CDs, DVDs, etc cheaper used than getting them on iTunes. New ones are only within a few dollars difference. Again. No brainer. Getting them instantly and faster is no big deal. I don't have to have everything "now". Instant Gratification don't do it for me. Streaming movies and music is just renting which is just for casual viewers and certainly not for those who like to have movie and music collections (and there are plenty and that market will never disappear.) There is no re-sale value on downloads. Like I said, convenience is overrated and people give it too much importance. Again, the cons outweigh the pros.

[buffalobill]

I'm with Iceflash. I want my physical copy. I like the discs & the case & the artwork (although it can be ghastly sometimes). I will never pick streaming over owning a copy of my favorite movies on blu ray combo packs. It's my own small library & nothing will replace it.

[Elladorine]

Ohhh enigmawing. So elegant, so wonderful.

As always

Aw . . . you made my day.

I how how there are suddenly all these problems with actually owning a physical copy. For many decades people had physical collections of music and movies. Now suddenly people can't have them because of space and it's an inconvenience obtaining it not through downloads/streaming? Since when did physical copies become such an inconvenience? If anything, the average home is bigger than it was decades ago (so why the magical space issue, which isn't the first time I heard it so I'm generally speaking), and it's easier finding the physical copies than before (through Amazon and such) with better quality than streaming or downloading. I've yet so see anything convincing as to why that should replace physical copies. Co-existing, sure. Out-right taking over? Too many cons including the lack of owning (you don't own when you stream). I know this is a more rent/lease oriented world and I don't get why comparing the price of rent/leasing over a mortgage/loan but I would take owning any day. Like I said earlier, convenience is overrated. People weren't inconvenienced for decades before. Suddenly we have a problem with physical formats? I don't buy it one bit. Plus on top of that we're deliberately ignoring the quality of the material. We're settling for lower quality for a convenience that's unimportant and overrated. Quite sad.

Well see, the thing is that everyone has their own priorities. I'm not going to tell anyone how it's sad that they don't hold the same values I do over what they enjoy or want to collect. My own current personal issue is that owning such a massive amount of material in a physical format is the inconvenience, and it makes sense for many to start watching and collecting digitally instead.

You can say houses are bigger than they used to be, but that doesn't do much good for someone that lives in an apartment or other small place. I grew up in a medium-sized four bedroom home but currently live in a little two bedroom condo. About 90% of my movies are stored away in a closet since I have no room to properly display them, and they're such a pain to get to right now that it's become a reminder of how I simply don't have the time and energy to watch and enjoy every single title I own. When you're talking about owning hundreds (or even thousands) of titles not only does space become a real issue, but appreciating a percentage of them on an individual level becomes nearly impossible. That's why renting, streaming, and digital downloads sound more and more appealing to me. And as much as I've always enjoyed having my collection, I'd rather not have it take over my house as it has in the past. Perhaps people weren't as "inconvenienced" by it in previous decades because there was less to collect, or maybe it's simply because they didn't have any other options. Up until I was ten years old the only experiences I had with movies were either going to the theater (twice a year if I was extremely lucky) or catching something on broadcast TV. I didn't know anyone that had hundreds of movies or albums by the time VHS's/DVD's and CD's were becoming the norm, and now it seems pretty common. Dozens maybe, but not hundreds.

When it came to music, I made a lot of mix tapes when I was younger. I'd have died for the ability to put playlists together like I can now thanks to computer files, without having to sort through and mess with my CD's and tapes, dual-cassette high-speed dubbing, or carefully calculating what could fit on one side of a 60 minute tape (I can still hear the clicks between the tracks, lol). One doesn't even have to miss out on album art, lyrics, etc., it's all right there in the files. I did manage to collect a few hundred CD's before I made the decision to get rid of them all, and I'm certain a lot of you may be appalled at the idea of basically trading them away for MP3's. Yeah, they're admittedly lower quality due to the compression, but I honestly can't tell any difference. I still get to sort through and enjoy all my music at my fingertips, and whether I want to listen to entire albums or put together a list of whiny emo music, I have those options to listen however I want, wherever I want. And if I can do something similar with video, I'm all for that. Simply turning on my device (especially by TV), going into the proper app, and choosing what I want to watch makes me ecstatic, especially since the quality is steadily increasing (something I do typically care about when it comes to video, depending on the material).

And one more thing on the space issues: you may see things a little differently if you're ever forced to whittle down every single physical possession you've ever owned into a pile that can fit in your car. I was lucky I was able to save most of my Disney movies (I've since had to re-purchase some and have yet to replace them all), and it's the main reason I gave up my CD's for MP3 rips. Sometimes you just . . . do what you've gotta to do.

[Disney Duster]

Since when was a dvd/blu ray disc classified as an ORGANIC object......?

Well...I guess I mean it's more real than something living in virtual space. I don't know what word to use. Non-fake?

Guys, I could be wrong here but I'm guessing that Duster meant to explain he wanted something "tangible" and came up with "organic" instead.

Aw thanks, good try, but I think what I wrote to Super Aurora explains what I meant.

Iceflash I like and agree with what you're saying, it's great.

So here's the thing...it seems that as a society we're caring less about real stuff and getting more into virtual stuff. We're caring less about the cool feelings that come with the things you have to do to get somewhere and the cool little things surrounding the goals we are after.

Like going to the movies. Now so many people say they would rather just watch films on their big screen TVs. It's sad that they're missing out on "the movie experience". And it's sad that people might miss out on the DVD and CD experience.

The thing about movies and music is...I don't see why most people aren't collectors of those things. Music and movies means soooo much to people. We get emotions from these things. Back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, even the 90's it was all about the joy of owning CD's. And I'd say owning certain movies was part of that too.

I know what it is! It's the ECONOMY today that is making people rather rent than own now! In actuality if money were better I'm sure we would care more about owning like we used to. This is the only explanation I can think of for why people suddenly don't want to own.

Because really, I don't believe that people don't care about owning things. I think they just want to cut back because they feel they have to. And commenting on what enigmawing said, is it good to cut back a little, yes, but that doesn't mean we should make everything being virtual the standard. It simply means cut back. The online thing should be an option, not a takeover.

[sunhuntin]

has anyone got and seen the blu for scamps adventure? i watched mine last night, and in the scene where tramp "rescues" the wig from the river, his nose and eyebrows have a very obvious green tinge. the other dogs have normal coloring. its only that scene. all the others with him, he has black.

anyone else noticed this?

[bugsplat9999]

Maybe he picked up some moss on his face due to the river water?

[Elladorine]

Aw thanks, good try, but I think what I wrote to Super Aurora explains what I meant.

You basically meant that it's something you can have, hold, and touch, right? Something "non-fake" and tangible. While I never intended to speak on your behalf, using the term "organic" was definitely giving everyone the wrong impression here. You're free to explain however you like of course.

I just don't think movies and music need to be tangible in order to be enjoyed. We've always had live music and the radio (well, at least in our lifetimes), and people didn't always have to own the record in order to enjoy a song that happened to be playing. The same thing with film, as there was a time when all we could do was go to the theater without a way to bring it at home. To me, the main advantage of "owning" media is to be able to enjoy it any time you want. Film, tapes, or discs were they only options we had to bring this material home until recently.

Anyway, my main argument is that I can personally enjoy the media just as much without the packaging, as I no longer feel it really adds to the experience (especially with all the crappy artwork Disney has been dishing out for their covers these days ). I know people can get a certain amount of satisfaction over seeing a physical collection sitting on their shelves and can even consider placing the disc in the tray as part of the "experience," but it seems to be getting more and more superfluous these days, at least to me.

People act like the movies are being taken away. They're not. Disney knows there's too much money at stake to let that happen. I believe hard copies will be around for a long time to come, but if in the near future Disney decides to release full films only as streaming or downloads, the consumers will certainly cast votes with their wallets.

[DisneyJedi]

To be honest, even though I usually transfer from VHS to DVD to Blu-rays, I still hold onto my previously bought VHS's and DVDs as a sort of backup thing and have NEVER sold any of them.

That goes especially for my VHS copy of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang that was given to me by my late grandmother when I was a little kid. The day I sell that, let alone any other VHS's is the day that Hell freezes over or pigs learn to fly.

... Whichever happens first.

[DancingCrab]

I can see where it's hard to differentiate between moving forward and abandoning the security of tradition in this case, because right now, there isn't a lot of official info out about All Access, just some rough plans have been mentioned. Some of us are excited and speculating the best, while others are fearing it will mean the end of how they choose to enjoy movies. To this I say, relax.

I went on Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress yesterday at Magic Kingdom, and almost LOL'd all over my self at how during each timeline, there were inside jokes about how "that will never happen" and then seeing not only did technology frequently progress as predicted (or feared), but it was always part of some progressive domino effect. So the truth is, the dominos have already started falling in the world of online entertainment. In fact they are falling so fast that Hollyweird & Co. are having more trouble than normal, keeping up. Movie pirating has skyrocketed in the past 10 years due to online bootlegging. You no longer have to go to that scary guy's video stand in Chinatown to buy movies that just opened last weekend in theaters. Disney trying to jumpstart this new All Access thing, is VARY VARY VARY smart. From what I've heard, Blu-rays are not on the way out because Disney is going to start offering All Access purchases as part of their combo-packs once the site gets going. So you will be able to have your disc on your shelf AND the movie stored on your All Access account. It's a pretty awesome deal. I mean, let's just say, heaven forbid, your house catch on fire or (as happened in my case, you loose almost ALL of your VHS titles due to Hurricane damage ) wouldn't that be awesome, knowing you still have access to all those movies you lost, especially the ones in the Vault? So relax and enjoy progress. It can be a really cool thing and we can always hold on to our VHS tapes, DVDs, Blu-rays and whatnot for as long as we each individually like.

[SWillie!]

I don't have to have everything "now". Instant Gratification don't do it for me.

Well, that's for you. In my opinion, the same way that Netflix took over Blockbuster and digital music took over CDs... it's fairly obvious that the masses DO prefer instant gratification.

Duster - you say you don't understand why people aren't collectors of music and movies. But, while i no longer own any physical CDs (I converted just like enigmawing a lonnngg time ago)... I would still consider myself a music collector. My collection resides within my iTunes library, and scrolling through the album art and everything gives me the same satisfaction of "owning" this music as looking at my shelf of CDs used to. Just as an example, do you really not see a "collection" of Disney music when you look at this?



Having my collection like this allows instant listening, seeing all the artwork at once, and creating awesome playlists as enigmawing said. I can't wait to have a collection of Disney films online just like this.

PLUS, as DancingCrab said - Disney has been advertising All Access as an addition to your blu-ray/DVD combo pack. So, of course it's not going to immediately take over physical media, but it's ignoring the trends of society to say that it probably won't one day become the standard way of enjoying movies.