Beauty & the Beast original colors - in upcoming platinu

[DisneyJedi]

Looks like we might get to see a 3D bluray for BATB :
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3417

You sure about that?

[Jack Skellington]

Well if there gonna release the Christmas Carol on "Real-D" BD, why not BATB as well, I mean I won't be surprised considering the 7 year gap in between the re-releases.

[Cordy_Biddle]

There is a question of whether people will be motivated to purchase new 3-D high-definition TV sets and Blu-ray players, when many have only recently upgraded to the high-def world. But Ho believes that consumers are starting to get interested in purchasing multiple high-def products for their households.

“More and more people are looking to get another HDTV,” said Ho. “Many have their first TV and are looking for their second. Many of those [for sale] will be 3-D-enabled. We are optimistic [about this market.]

Oh yeah, I'm sure every family living in Western countries is planning on reupgrading their already expensive Blu-ray and HDTV system.

The_Iceflash will be the first to recklessly bulldoze his way through the queue to get the first 3D Blu-ray disc player. I'm warning you!

Goodness, I can barely afford to keep up now. Ain't no way I want to go through this crap again!

[ajmrowland]

A lot of HDTVs of the last few years are 3D-ready, it seems. The biggest worry for me is the player.

[Elladorine]

3-D is a cool novelty, but I don't see myself rushing to upgrade for it anytime soon.

[jpanimation]

If they do offer 3D, then they'll probably give it its own disc, as I believe 3D movies require twice the data as regular (its not the red and blue filter crap). This storage requirement is one of the reasons that DVD isn't capable of it (or at least thats what I'm reading). This would make it a 3-disc set (4 if you count the DVD version they'll probably include). I've got to wonder if they'll make the 3D extra disc optional, like they originally did with digital copy or if they'll shove it down your throat, like they are currently doing with digital copy.

Of course, this is IF they release BatB in 3D outside its upcoming theatrical run.

[disneyboy20022]

....Truesdale....

That name sounded very familiar to me....but I couldn't get where...but then I realized oh yeah my other hobby besides most things Disney and other movies that I like...

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Starter_De ... _Truesdale

Which that deck was better at the time of its release then the Jaden Yuki one...

and that reminded me that I still need to pre-order this but I am going to save my money for The Wizard of OZ on blu ray via amazon so I will get the other dvd in October...although I'd rather have the Yu-gi-oh DVD than the Prequel Scooby Doo Blu ray super pack that comes out next week...I'll have to think on this one...


btw here is what I want to pre-order

http://www.amazon.com/Yu-Gi-Oh-GX-Rise- ... 742&sr=1-2

[Jules]

A lot of HDTVs of the last few years are 3D-ready, it seems. The biggest worry for me is the player.

Really!? Do you mean the HD Ready TV my father bought a year ago could be 3D Ready?

[Kyle]

Only if it was top of the line, but it's certainly possible. We'd have to know the model though.

[jpanimation]

Samsung and Mitsubishi's HD DLP rear projector TVs have been 3D-Ready for years now. Here's a list of the TVs they've maufactured that are 3D-Ready:

http://www.next3d.com/3D_Ready_Technology.html

This is the same active shutter technology that Sony and Panasonic have been advertising for Blu-ray use so if you bought one of those, you should be all set.

Here's a link to DLP's site, confirming the 3D-Ready technology as active shutter:

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx

Originally they said the technology only required a 120hz TV (as most people have) but I'm not sure its the same tech being considered now. I think the problem is that most 120hz TVs actually take 60hz signals and up-convert them to 120hz but 3D requires a pure 120hz signal (60hz for each eye). 3D ready TVs with pure 120hz input have been around for a while but Panasonic and Sony are just now implementing the tech in their flat-screens. Hopefully all that info is correct as I don't really 100% understand this crap myself as Plasmas have high refresh rate but aren't 3D-Ready.

Sorry for getting soo off-topic

[Disney Duster]

2009net, actually Disney never called the animator who was dissatisfied with Cogsworth's animation. Someone other than the lead animator did that scene, and then someone else re-did it and the lead animator still didn't like it!

Escapay, how about THIS?:

If the artists don't have a good reason to never show their original work again, they show their original work again.

And unless they speak out and let us know they have a good reason, as far as we can see, Disney doesn't have a good reason.

The right thing for the artists to do is let us know their good reason. If they don't have a good reason...don't do it.

Also, it is indeed an obligation and a right thing to fans to make available a film. If no new copies are produced anymore, eventually they will run out and not be available anymore.

The Vault screws things up a bit, but they do promise to keep making the film available, just during certain periods, they're still constantly becoming available again. Also, this way copies are always circulating and available somewhere. But how long do you think a Laserdisc or VHS of Beauty and the Beast will still be found somewhere? Maybe ten more years, but that may be it.

Oh, and maybe you forgot that even if we do try to track down an old VHS or Laserdisc, um...yea, it's still going to ware out and be unwatchable. When we reach something that won't ware out for about two lifetimes, maybe that would be fine, but it's still the right thing to keep it available to people, and that means that when the copies run out, you can't find them online or anywhere, you make more.

As for those movies you love that you want available, yes they are obligated to release those, too, even very limited releases. You know how the special sets of movies are in limited amount, or some are only through the Movie Club? Yes, that's fine, if they're worried about money, just make less, but still make them.

But yea Disney has a right and obligation to be good people and make it's fans happy like it always promises to.

Yo, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, you saw a cut that had less footage than the Special Editions, yet desire that one?

[Escapay]

Escapay, how about THIS?

How about THIS?

It's obvious we will never agree on the subject. You are of the "I want the original released no matter what" camp and I'm of the "If only one can be released, let it be the ones the filmmakers prefer" camp.

There's no rights and wrongs, only opinions as to why something should our shouldn't be released.

Your opinion is that Disney is obligated to release the original so the fans are happy.

My opinion is that Disney is not obligated to release the original if they want to release a different version instead.

Therefore, that's it, I'm done. A stalemate. Agree to disagree. I won't even bother addressing the VHS/laserdisc arguments or the more general obligation-to-release-everything argument because if anyone couldn't understand it the first time, I shouldn't have to explain it for a fourth or fifth. I've repeated myself too many times in this frickin' thread all to clarify any alternatives you try to offer and I'm tired of it. You can believe what you want, I'll believe what I want. It's frustrating.

albert

[DisneyJedi]

Well, all they'd have to do, really, is darken the colors to make it seem more acceptable, right?

[Escapay]

Well it's a lot more than just turning a knob on a monitor. Colour timing and colour correction takes time. Just look at this clip on youtube that shows the different options and ways to change the colours for Final Cut Pro HD:

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Professional studios likely have the same (and/or better) technology, and many more resources to consider as well.

Even if it's an animated film with the CAPS files already intact, when it's transferred to film, I'm sure you have to still do colour correction. The Blu-Ray and/or DVD will likely be from the digital CAPS source and not an IP, but they still have to make sure it looks the way they want it to when it's transferred to mass produced media meant for a home television screen (be it a CRT or a plasma or an LCD or whatever).

albert

[2099net]

Well, all they'd have to do, really, is darken the colors to make it seem more acceptable, right?

Acceptable to who? Us or them?

It's obvious the filmmakers had some control over the DVD release of Beauty and the Beast because its 1.85:1 rather than 1.66:1 which is the format most CAPS animated films have been released in. If they asked for that ratio (which I believe they did - being as Hunchback also got a 1.85 release on DVD (another Trousdale/Wise film) - then I also believe they at least had some approval over the DVD transfer. I don't know that for a fact, but I assume they did. After all they recorded interviews for the DVD, recorded a commentary, presumably advised the DVD producers on content such as the art galleries etc. Isn't it a bit disingenerous to then claim they had nothing to do with the actual film on the DVD or likewise to claim they cocked it up if they had?

I can only assume the DVD is how they wanted it presented, or at the very least close to how they wanted it presented.

[goofystitch]

Well, all they'd have to do, really, is darken the colors to make it seem more acceptable, right?

Acceptable to who? Us or them?

It's obvious the filmmakers had some control over the DVD release of Beauty and the Beast because its 1.85:1 rather than 1.66:1 which is the format most CAPS animated films have been released in. If they asked for that ratio (which I believe they did - being as Hunchback also got a 1.85 release on DVD (another Trousdale/Wise film) - then I also believe they at least had some approval over the DVD transfer. I don't know that for a fact, but I assume they did. After all they recorded interviews for the DVD, recorded a commentary, presumably advised the DVD producers on content such as the art galleries etc. Isn't it a bit disingenerous to then claim they had nothing to do with the actual film on the DVD or likewise to claim they cocked it up if they had?

I can only assume the DVD is how they wanted it presented, or at the very least close to how they wanted it presented.

Exactly. The point that I keep trying to stress is that the animation division was run very differently in 1992 than it was in 2002 when the film was altered. Since the original filmmakers were involved in changing the colors, my theory is that the dark colors first exhibited in 1992 were not their original intent, but were the result of studio executives seeing the marketability of the film to adults. I can totally see Eisner walking into a screening and saying "I want you to darken the colors so adults will want to see this." My theory is further supported by the fact that there were special trailers and posters geared towards adults and the fact that the WIP version was screened at a film festival... for adults only.

[DisneyJedi]

Wait a second. The movie's original aspect ratio was really 1.66:1?

Anyways, I'm pretty sure they'd go with something for the BD release that'll make it feel like you're watching it for the first time. Then again, we'll never truly know till it comes around. I just wish that they wouldn't make it feel like we're watching a Saturday morning cartoon.

That, and I'd like to watch it in its original aspect ratio without any parts of the picture being cropped.

[SpringHeelJack]

All CAPS films were animated for a 1.66:1 aspect ratio. Sometimes they are framed otherwise (i.e., "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" on DVD).

[Disney Duster]

Goofystitch, but then do you think that the filmakers wanted the film to have less bit rate, have that pixelized look that it does do to three different versions of the film being on DVD? In that sense the presentation still isn't right.

Also, they were so excited when Beauty and the Beast was nominated for Best Picture, saying it was like "a real movie" or something. It sounded from that and other things I read they were aiming for a more adult live-actiony feel.

And do you really think they didn't want the Beast to be covered in shadow at first, so that he didn't need to come into the light because he could already be seen so well? How on earth that was their intent...

[jpanimation]

Wait a second. The movie's original aspect ratio was really 1.66:1?

Anyways, I'm pretty sure they'd go with something for the BD release that'll make it feel like you're watching it for the first time. Then again, we'll never truly know till it comes around. I just wish that they wouldn't make it feel like we're watching a Saturday morning cartoon.

That, and I'd like to watch it in its original aspect ratio without any parts of the picture being cropped.

Well here is an example of the DVD (1:85:1) vs OAR (1:66:1):

Top 2002 DVD v Bottom promotional still for theatrical 3D



If the still is any hint though then it looks like we'll be getting the original 1:66:1 aspect ratio, restoring some image

Not sure which one we'll get, as the directors seem to prefer 1:85:1 (as seen on the BatB and Hunchback DVDs) but I'd like to the the OAR as seen in the 3D promotional still.