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I would love it if they brought back some of the cut songs, but I'm not holding my breath. They haven't done so for any of the other musical remakes so I doubt they're going to start changing their approach now.
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Weren't one or two of the new songs from the Beauty and the Beast remake based on unused songs by Menken? Or I remember wrong? Maybe not made for the original film, but for other of his works.
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No, all the new songs were specifically written for the remake. Maybe you confused it with the fact that an instrumental sample of "Home", a song written for the stage adaptation, was embedded into the score or that they added some of Howard Ashman's cut lyrics for "Gaston" back into the song.
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They also added a few new lyrics to the song "Beauty and the Beast" at the end of the Beauty and the Beast remake.
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Yes, they added a cut verse to the reprise of "Beauty and the Beast" too. The Mob Song also featured some additional lyrics, but those were written by Tim Rice specifically for the remake.
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Disney Duster wrote:They also added a few new lyrics to the song "Beauty and the Beast" at the end of the Beauty and the Beast remake.
I love those extra lyrics. I pretty much never listen to any of the songs from the remake but this one (and the opening aria) I actually do love to revisit! Probably because the spectacular Audra McDonald is singing in both.
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Sotiris wrote:No, all the new songs were specifically written for the remake. Maybe you confused it with the fact that an instrumental sample of "Home", a song written for the stage adaptation, was embedded into the score or that they added some of Howard Ashman's cut lyrics for "Gaston" back into the song.
OK, I was mistaken then. Yes, I must have confused it with another case where he had reused an unused song for a new project.
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JeanGreyForever wrote:
Disney Duster wrote:They also added a few new lyrics to the song "Beauty and the Beast" at the end of the Beauty and the Beast remake.
I love those extra lyrics. I pretty much never listen to any of the songs from the remake but this one (and the opening aria) I actually do love to revisit! Probably because the spectacular Audra McDonald is singing in both.
I love the added lyrics too, and I love Audra's singing in the end! I don't like "Aria" because it kind of feels like a vain, evil ball lol. And yet I love "Masquerade" win Sabrina! Well, Sabrina's not vain and evil...
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Disney Duster wrote:
JeanGreyForever wrote: I love those extra lyrics. I pretty much never listen to any of the songs from the remake but this one (and the opening aria) I actually do love to revisit! Probably because the spectacular Audra McDonald is singing in both.
I love the added lyrics too, and I love Audra's singing in the end! I don't like "Aria" because it kind of feels like a vain, evil ball lol. And yet I love "Masquerade" win Sabrina! Well, Sabrina's not vain and evil...
I think the Aria is supposed to sound vain and evil lol and I actually kinda like it for that. The actual singing Audra does doesn't sound evil though if that's any consolation. So the song without the visuals doesn't pose a problem for me. I suppose Masquerade and Sabrina are two very different things from Disney's Beauty and the Beast ;)
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Audra not playing Mrs. Potts is a missed opportunity.
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Yes JeanGreyForever and farerb, yes! Except even Audra's singing does still go with the vain and evil tone of the song, for me, and I don't like the vain and evil feel at all.
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Agree with both of you that Audra should have been cast instead. I like Emma Thompson a lot but Mrs. Potts didn't suit her and I didn't care much for her singing.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Audra's singing going with the evil vibes of the aria Duster.
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I was thinking, reviews for this were pretty much in agreement that the original really tried not to be a musical even though it was. I wonder if that’s the idea behind this, to make this the big musical the animated version was not?
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I really hope so, nomad! With Menken's excitement, I can't help but be optimistic about the chances of that.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:I really hope so, nomad! With Menken's excitement, I can't help but be optimistic about the chances of that.

The fact that he mention a stage musical in the same paragraph especially has me thinking that has to be it. But you never know with Disney these days :lol:
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Well I'm not excited about it. Yes it may have more music in it but does it matter if they bring actors who can't sing like they did with Emma Watson? Also Menken isn't in charge of script or he isn't going to direct it, so they can still bring someone incompetent like Bill Condon, Rob Marshall or Guy Ritchie, who have no clue on how to direct a musical. So I'm still in the opinion that this is going to be a dumbed down version of Tangled with more music.
I thought about this "not trying to be a musical" thing and honestly I don't see it - Tangled has 5 songs (7 with reprises), which is pretty standard for a Disney film. The only thing missing in my opinion is a reprise of I See the Light at the end.
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JeanGreyForever wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree on Audra's singing going with the evil vibes of the aria Duster.
That's ok. :)
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farerb wrote:I thought about this "not trying to be a musical" thing and honestly I don't see it - Tangled has 5 songs (7 with reprises), which is pretty standard for a Disney film. The only thing missing in my opinion is a reprise of I See the Light at the end.
Well, I guess people think that because the songs Menken had created previously, at least for earlier versions of the movie, had a clearer Broadway style than the ones that ended up in the film. Though "Mother Knows Best" and the reprise of "When Will My Life Begin" are still quite Broadway in style. In addition, the former was reduced because of pacing issues and a reprise of the latter was cut. Also, for the most part, the melodies from the songs weren't used in the score, but that also happens in Mulan, for example. The fact that the songs were hidden during the promotion of the film and the directors tried to diminish their importance in interviews probably also contributed to create that impression.

But personally, I agree with you. Maybe it's not as Broadway-like as Beauty and the Beast, but it doesn't have less music than most Disney musical films.
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D82 wrote:Well, I guess people think that because the songs Menken had created previously, at least for earlier versions of the movie, had a clearer Broadway style than the ones that ended up in the film. Though "Mother Knows Best" and the reprise of "When Will My Life Begin" are still quite Broadway in style. Also, for the most part, the melodies from the songs weren't used in the score, but that also happens in Mulan, for example. The fact that the songs were hidden during the promotion of the film and the directors tried to diminish their importance in interviews probably also helped to create that impression.
It's not only that. In a surprisingly candid interview, Glenn Slater revealed the filmmakers didn't take into consideration their input and ignored their suggestions, didn't let them do a Broadway-styled balled for the love song, didn't let them write a song for Flynn, removed a verse from Mother Knows Best, cut a reprise of When Will My Life Begin, and in general made them feel very constricted creatively. There was a conscious effort during the production of the film to not make this feel like a musical.
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I didn't know that Sotiris. That's so diabolical of Byron and Nathan. But I wish the whole film had been more like Glen Keane's painterly fairy tale with "You Are My Forever".
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