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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:Well I'm not sure about this comic series, but my Dad collected old Donald Duck comic books from the 50's that stared Scrooge McDuck! I wonder if it inspired the character for Ducktales?

Now I get to own them. I even saw an old advertisment for Disneyland in there! :lol:
Very cool, I love those old comics! However, artists were rarely credited back then.

Carl Bark's extensive stories of Scrooge and Donald were definitely the inspiration for DuckTales. There are even specific episodes that followed certain stories from the comic very closely.

A major change they decided on was replacing Donald with Launchpad, probably because they were nervous about letting one of the "classic three" appear as a regular character on a series that was animated overseas.
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The number one dime shoe shining thing, I seen on the TV Series of DuckTales (the more mordern series I think, because from what I understand Scrooge wasn't originally in Ducktales(?)) as a flash back when telling his nephews how he had earnt it.

Here's an image from an adaption of Charles Dicken's A Christmas Carol, with Scrooge and Mickey:

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Sunset Girl wrote:Carl Bark's extensive stories of Scrooge and Donald were definitely the inspiration for DuckTales. There are even specific episodes that followed certain stories from the comic very closely.

A major change they decided on was replacing Donald with Launchpad, probably because they were nervous about letting one of the "classic three" appear as a regular character on a series that was animated overseas.
Interesting! I never knew that, yet I'm a huge fan of Ducktales. Now that explains why Donald often appeared on that show!

However if they ever made a show similar to that today, I don't think Disney wouldn't mind adding any of the "classic three". Especially if they can pretend that Disney is all about "That's So Raven"! :roll:
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This is off-topic but Alan Young will be 86 this year and I wondered how does he look right now? the most resent thing I have seen him in was the making of Mickey's Christmas Carol on my Mickey's Christmas Carol VHS (OH YEHA its on Mickey Mouse in Living Color, Volume Two as well) and then he was 64.Back in the 80's he still looked like Wilbur Post of Mister Ed which was surprising. So does anyone know his address to write to him or have newer pics of him?
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JiminyCrick91 wrote:This is off-topic but Alan Young will be 86 this year and I wondered how does he look right now? the most resent thing I have seen him in was the making of Mickey's Christmas Carol on my Mickey's Christmas Carol VHS (OH YEHA its on Mickey Mouse in Living Color, Volume Two as well) and then he was 64.Back in the 80's he still looked like Wilbur Post of Mister Ed which was surprising. So does anyone know his address to write to him or have newer pics of him?
Well Alan Young has an official website right here: http://www.mister-ed.tv/AY2.htm

There are a few pictures there which couldn't have been more than 2 years old since the website opened in 2003. I really think he looks great for someone his age!
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
Well Alan Young has an official website right here: http://www.mister-ed.tv/AY2.htm

There are a few pictures there which couldn't have been more than 2 years old since the website opened in 2003. I really think he looks great for someone his age!
Hey thanks. Your right he right he looks great. But are you sure this is HIS website because I may want to try to get my dad to let me buy a photo of him or Scrooge Online and I want to know is this legit?
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JiminyCrick91 wrote:
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
Well Alan Young has an official website right here: http://www.mister-ed.tv/AY2.htm

There are a few pictures there which couldn't have been more than 2 years old since the website opened in 2003. I really think he looks great for someone his age!
Hey thanks. Your right he right he looks great. But are you sure this is HIS website because I may want to try to get my dad to let me buy a photo of him or Scrooge Online and I want to know is this legit?
According this part of his website: http://www.mister-ed.tv/Alan%20Young%27s%20Bio.htm

YES!!!
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
JiminyCrick91 wrote: Hey thanks. Your right he right he looks great. But are you sure this is HIS website because I may want to try to get my dad to let me buy a photo of him or Scrooge Online and I want to know is this legit?
According this part of his website: http://www.mister-ed.tv/Alan%20Young%27s%20Bio.htm

YES!!!
Oh I'm sorry I did not see that.Thank you :)
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I just got the Life and Times a couple of weeks ago and it is excelent. It really helpef reading it first before watching DuckTales.

And just a note - I also just got this week "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Companion" (which is aslo by Don Rosa). I haven't read this one yet but at a glance it seems to be as good as the first one.

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Knowing I am a huge Scrooge McDuck fan and a fan of the Gladstone Disney comic reprints back in the 80s, a friend recently sent me this collection, and it is outstanding! I still haven't gotten all the way through it, because he also sent me the Disney Treasures Comics collection and a DuckTales collection which contains original Barks comics that were remade into DuckTales episodes. I highly recommend all these books. Now, I want that companion piece to "Life and Times" and the second volume of the DuckTales collection!

Yes, Scrooge was around long before DuckTales, especially in comic form. His other animated appearances (besides Duck Tales) were "Sport Goofy in Soccermania," which was made for the Magical World of Disney on NBC in the... '90s I believe (which, oddly, didn't use Alan Young's voice for Scrooge, but did have the Beagle Boys, and not in their DuckTales individual personality forms), "Mickey's Christmas Carol," various episodes of House of Mouse and Raw Toonage, Mickey's Once and Twice Upon a Christmas movies, and his screen debut, the short cartoon "Scrooge McDuck and Money," from the 1960s I think. Did I forget anything? Oh, of course, he was in the Mickey Mouse Club opening back in the '50s.
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These books look great. I just wish I could afford them. Sigh.
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I actually met Don Rosa at Dragon Con earlier this month. In my opinion, the greatest "living" Duck artist. What's really sad is that for much of the comic market, unless it is a DC/Marvel superhero book it get ignored. I do read comics (including some superhero books) but I've always been willing to branch out and try different material.

Disney comics have always been a favorite of mine. While I've yet to receive my Scrooge Companion book (I get some of my comic books from an internet store to save some money), the first book was great stuff. Looking forward to receiving the Companion.

slavetomoonlight, another excellent collection that Gemstone has recently put out is World of the Dragonlords. The Ducks end up in Scandanavia, teaming up with some Vikings to battle Dragons and an evil Viking warlord. Byron Erickson, who worked on the Carl Barks library project back in the 1980s wrote the story while Giorgio Cavazzano did the art. Cavazzano is one of the better Italian Duck artists. When you're done with the Treasures, DuckTales and Life and Times books, give this one a try. You should be able to pick it up (or have it ordered) from any comic shop or amazon.com.

I personally am glad that Gemstone is putting together these collections of material. They are a great way of getting excellent material without having to shell out big bucks and/or hunting around for the individual issues.
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There seem to be two different versions of this book, or just two different books, "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" and "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Companion":

Life & Times...
http://www.amazon.ca/Life-Times-Scrooge ... Companion

They both have different ISBNs, both are paperback and were published within a few months of eachother, so it's hard to believe they're just different versions of the same book. So can anyone for sure what the difference between them is?
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That Dragonlords book sounds familiar. I think I saw it while looking around Amazon.com. sounds cool! Yes, Don Rosa is definitely the greatest living Duck artist. I'm glad they're releasing these too, and really glad to have gotten Life and Times. I remember when they were printing these, and I'm pretty sure it was right around the same time I had stopped buying Disney comics because I couldn't afford them anymore because they kept adding more and more titles, ha. Plus, I think I was still in High School and just didn't have the cash. Stuck with Gladstone for a long time before that though, and then picked up again when Disney Comics started coming out, the ones that had Disney Afternoon shows and Roger Rabbit, and stuff like that. Had to give up on those after a while too. Both times, I regretted quitting, because they stopped making them shortly after I stopped buying them.

Besides Disney, which is the bulk of my collection (and included movie adaptations like White Fang and the Dick Tracy trilogy that had two prequel books), I also did some major Star Wars comic collecting when they came out with new stuff. That really got out of hand, so I don't even collect those anymore. Also was buying Indiana Jones, but they didn't make many of those. They were usually four parters. And I also got into the Buffy comic books for a while there. Besides that, I have a lot of random titles that I would buy if I liked the cover art or whatever, including a few (but not many) superhero books. Usually only bought superhero books that were based on the DC/WB animated shows and had a female herione I liked throughout. Always had a thing for Batgirl and Supergirl... I love superheroes in general, but I mainly got into them through Saturday morning and afternoon cartoons, live-action TV shows, and big screen movies. Not so much from the comics.
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The Companion is not the same book. It's addition material. I haven't read it yet but it seems to be sub-chapters that fit into or after the first book.

The first book has 12 chapters that tell the life story of Scrooge. From when he was a small child to when he becomes rich and moves to Duckburg.

The Companion seems to add addition material.

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Oh, forgot. I also have the 2 Greatest Ducktales books (vol. 1 and 2) and the World of Dragonlords. Haven't read those yet either.

I was also looking at all the other books that they have such as the Uncle Scrooge series, but there are so many it would cost a fortune to get them all. I am hoping they do more compilations like the DuckTales ones so I can get those. Same for the Donald Duck stuff.

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The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck (Lo$) is one of my favourites. I still marvel at the detail of all those Barksian facts that Rosa put together and formed a cohesive story out of them while adding some of his own stuff (and some clever film references, like Citizen Kane etc) in without making it deviate too much from Barks's storytelling. At the time the series was published (back in the early 1990s) Rosa was at his peak in terms of storytelling and art, and his drawings in this Lo$ series is some of the most beautiful stuff I've seen, particularly some of the bigger, wide shots. The art is very detailed, and one can find more and more stuff by reading the stories again and again, not to mention the story opens up even more. It's also nice trying to find all those hidden D.U.C.K. signs, and I really enjoy reading Rosa's extensive notes of making the story of Scrooge's past come true. There are some scenes that will make more sense if you've actually read certain Barks stories they're based on (and if nothing else you should at least read Christmas on Bear Mountain, the first story Scrooge was in, because otherwise certain references to that story in chapter 12 won't make any sense), but most of the time the casual reader doesn't have to know the Barks stories to fully enjoy Rosa's Lo$ as a wonderful story.

It's fascinating to learn more about Scrooge's past and see how all the sad stuff made him what he is today. We get to meet some of the most memorable Disney characters during the stories (particularly the villains although we are introduced to some nice people like Gyro's grandfather and father, Donald's father, Glittering Goldie, Grandma Duck etc) and some important historical figures, particularly one man named Theodore Roosevelt who had a great impact on Scrooge's life. There's some nice humour and clever visual gags going on, but the story also has its epic scope with some dramatic scenes (like the memorable swordfight in the McDuck castle during a thunderstorm, the flash flood scene in the Australian Outback etc) and some truly melancholic stuff particularly in the latter episodes (one episode even has an emotional death scene which is handled in a beautiful way) when Scrooge's darker side begins to emerge and how it affects the rest of his life in quite a painful way, but which eventually leads to Scrooge's second chance as he meets Donald and Donald's nephews.

There's action, there's adventure, there's melodrama, there's tragedy, there's joy, there's that Disney magic we all love, and all of this is combined in this wonderful story of Scrooge's past which give Scrooge so much more depth as a character and shows that he's not just a greedy old duck. Fans of DuckTales and of Carl Barks's Scrooge McDuck and Donald Duck comics should definitely give Rosa's vision of Scrooge's past a try, and other Disney fans should check it out as well, because The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck is simply one of the best Disney comic book stories ever made and will remain as one of the classic stories which continues Carl Barks's legacy in a wonderful way.

I originally read Rosa's stories in the Finnish Donald Duck comic named Aku Ankka in the early 90's, and a few years later I bought the hardcover comic version (which had all the original 12 episodes) with Rosa's comments, sketches, drawings and foreword plus additional finished artwork, and I fell in love with this hardcover version and still enjoy the story and the art. I'm also happy that Finland is finally going to have a hardcover version of The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Companion which has the so-called B chapters of Lo$ (and by that I mean stories which Rosa made later and which take place during the original Lo$ book's timeline, and thus the reason why they're called B chapters) and I assume it'll also include the so-called Chapter 0 (which is basically a story about Magica DeSpell going back in time to steal Scrooge's Number One Dime when Scrooge himself was still young, but according to Rosa this really shouldn't be a part of the Lo$ continuity and should be considered only as a "what if" scenario). I've read these additional Lo$ chapters in our Finnish Donald Duck comics already, but I'm more than happy to have them all together with Rosa's commentary and sketches in this Lo$ Companion book. :)
Sunset Girl wrote:What I'd really love to see is an animated series based on these stories, but that doesn't seem too likely. With all the adventures that young Scrooge goes through, it would be so awesome!
This is actually what I've been thinking of, as impossible as the idea of Disney making a series of Lo$ sounds (because if done properly this series would be quite an expensive one). If Disney did make this come true, it should be done in the following way:

1) The series should have animation similar to the style used in The Prince and the Pauper short (found in Mickey Mouse in Living Color Vol.2 for example), because it has that nice old school feel and yet it's modern enough to give the characters the required cinematic depth, plus the art looks simply wonderful and would do Rosa's drawing style justice.

2) The series should include both the original 12-episode arc of Lo$ as well as the additional B episodes, because the B episodes (namely the heartbreaking "Hearts of the Yukon") are quite good and some of them are as good as the original episodes. Most likely the series might need to add some supplemental material to fill in some stuff, but if they could get Rosa as a scriptwriter (I'm sure he'd be happy to assist) to make sure the continuity stuff isn't messed with, things would turn out fine. Also, if at all possible, the story of the series should have even more additional episodes, and what I mean by additional episodes I mean two things: 1) the certain Barks stories that resolve some open-ended subplots presented in Rosa's Lo$ (after all, Rosa hints at certain Barks stories which continuity-wise take place after Rosa's Lo$) and how we get to see Scrooge, Donald and their three nephews adventuring together, and b) some of Rosa's own stories which set up crucial plot points (particularly "A Letter from Home" which has the emotional reunion of Scrooge and one of his sisters). I don't mean we'd have to see all of these adventures (although it'd be nice), but I would want the series end with a bang in the "Something Little Special" story (by Don Rosa) which shows how people in Duckburg get ready to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Scrooge's arrival in Duckburg while Scrooge's most famous enemies form an unholy alliance to bring Scrooge down. The plot of this story not only has a wonderful and touching ending but also very dramatic parts when we see the unholy alliance at work with some truly epic stuff going on. It'd be a fitting end for the animated series, but if it's not possible, then the series should just end at the final chapter of episode 12 in Lo$ which is a satisfactory ending on its own right.

3) As impossible as this sounds, I'd really like to see this series as a musical. Why, you ask, considering Lo$ didn't really have any musical stuff going on? Well, first of all many of Disney's most memorable stuff has always had a compelling score and beautiful songs, and the actual story of Scrooge does have plenty of opportunities for great musical moments. I could easily imagine Scrooge singing the "I Want" type of song when he dreams of travelling to the United States to find out what future has in store for him, or how we'd have a restrained, melancholy "love" duet between Scrooge and Goldie set in the heartbreaking mood of "Hearts of the Yukon" episode, just to mention a few examples. I think Alan Menken would be suitable for the job, because he knows how to compose catchy and emotional tunes, how to get into the characters' mind set and how to compose the actual score as well (but if not, then Joel McNeely would be a good composer for the score at least, because he knows how to adapt styles and how to create some truly magnificent thematic material). Of course writing songs and composing the score for such an epic animated series would be a daunting task because it'd require quite a lot of themes for various characters, items and situations, but if they were pulled off properly, the music (both songs and the score) would become some of the greatest Disney music ever.

As for the voice actors, I haven't really heard what Alan Young sounds like as Scrooge recently, but I assume he'd still have a youngish enough voice to actuall voice Scrooge from teenager to the old man. I'd assume someone like Russi Taylor could voice Scrooge when he was a young, 10-year-old lad (and have Taylor use a Scottish accent) to further emphasize the stuff how the young ducks sound alike (plus it'd be awesome to hear the DuckTales nephew voices used for young Scrooge). I'm sure Disney would find capable actors for the roles, and for example it'd be so awesome if they could have Sean Connery voicing Scrooge's dad Fergus, because I'd rather want to have a distinction between Scrooge and his dad's voices despite them looking similar, and Connery as the Scottish spokesperson would fit in the role and could act it out well, at least in my opinion.

Naturally Disney should make sure that everyone working on the project read Rosa's actual Lo$ chapters and some Barks stories to get a better idea of what would be required of them and what the story's like (in order to get the emotional stuff right and understand the characters better), and they should consult Rosa about the story details and all that and get him involved in the storyboard stuff etc (and I'm sure he'd be happy to help in a project like this). Sure, this kind of project would be very expensive, require top-notch pacing, cinematic animation, memorable music (both songs and score), good actors and solid directing as well as staying as faithful to Barks and Rosa's stories as possible while adding some new stuff in, but it'd be so worth it and would set a new milestone in Disney animation and show us more of that "Disney magic". Yes, this is only a dream which will likely not come true, but it's a dream worth dreaming of, and I'd be very happy if Disney decided to work with The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck someday and make it an animated series worthy of the legacy of Carl Barks and Don Rosa.
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I'm really excited to know that there's a companion book and I plan on ordering it soon. And seeing this brought up makes me wanna dig out the original Lo$ book and settle down for an evening of reading and some hot-cocoa sipping. I have some of the comics from their first run in the early 90's (sure wish I had picked up all of them) and it's nice to see them bound together.

I'm not as well-read on Carl Barks as I should be, so those "DuckTales" books definitely look like they're worth picking up.

Well, I'm off to Amazon! 8)
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enigmawing wrote:seeing this brought up makes me wanna dig out the original Lo$ book and settle down for an evening of reading and some hot-cocoa sipping.
Now that's my idea of coziness! Cocoa and Disney comics on a rainy night, maybe throw in a few episodes of Frasier too. It's also a great way to watch Kiki's Delivery Service. Man, I haven't seen that in ages... gotta break in my DVD of it.
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A grand book of Uncle Scrooge stories by Carl Barks has a very similar title - Uncle Scrooge (McDuck) - his life and times.

I'm a lot more into Barks material - I consider Barks absolutely basic and essential. But I probably should get this Don Rosa work eventually.
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